DIRECTOR OF COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI IS FRANK FIGLIUZZI.
FRANK, WHAT DO YOU SEE, WHAT DO
YOU THINK IS GOING ON?
>> I THINK A UP COUGH THINGS ARE
GOING ON AND NONE OF THEM ARE
GOOD.
GOOD. FIRST, I THINK WE’RE LOOKING AT
WHAT I’M CALLING THE CHINA TRAP,
POLITICALLY, THE REPUBLICANS ARE
GOING TO TRY THE FORCE THE HANDS
OF DEMOCRATS SAYING IT’S AN
EITHER OR EQUATION, YOU’RE
EITHER WITH CHINA OR WITH THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. I’M HERE TO REMIND PEOPLE LIKE
BIDEN AND PELOSI YOU DON’T NEED
TO FALL FOR THAT TRAP.
YOU CAN SIMULTANEOUSLY DISTRUST
EVERYTHING COMING OUT OF CHINA
AND YOU SHOULD BE CRITIQUING AND
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING COMING
OUT OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
THIS COUNTRY HAS GONE TO WAR IN
OUR LIFETIME, INVADED OTHER
COUNTRIES BECAUSE OF EITHER
FABRICATED, FAULTY INTELLIGENCE
OR IGNORED INTELLIGENCE.
I ONLY NEED TO REMIND FOLKS
ABOUT OUR INVASION OF IRAQ,
SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS FOUND BY THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AFTER THE
FACT NOT TO TRULY POSSESS
WEAPONS OF DESTRUCTION.
I’M SAYING WE’RE ABOUT TO SEE
THE PROVISION OF THE POLITICAL
STORY FOR A POLITICAL BENEFIT.
>> I TAKE YOUR POINT ABOUT,
THINK YOU’RE MAKING A POINT
ABOUT WMD AND IRAQ AND THE
ACTIONS OUR GOVERNMENT TOOK.
SAY MORE ABOUT NOT GOING TO WAR
PER SE, WE MAY VERY WELL NEED
THEIR HELP IF A VACCINE IS
CREATED AND WE WANT TO INOCULATE
OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY.
TALK ABOUT THE STAKES.
>> I HAVE TO WONDER, WITHOUT
BEING OVERLY DRAMATIC WHETHER
THE STAKES HAVE BEEN HIGHER WITH
REGARDS TO PRESIDENT’S ADHERENCE
TO INTELLIGENCE.
TO INTELLIGENCE. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING
ALREADY MORE DEATHS THAN DURING
THE VIETNAM WAR, SO WHY OUR
SCIENTISTS ARE TRYING TO RACE
TOWARD A VACCINE IT HELPS IF
THEY KNOW WHERE THIS THING CAME
FROM.
FROM. WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE ORIGINALLY
AND HOW IT HAS MUTATED.
WHO PATIENT ZERO REALLY WAS OR
WAS NOT.
WAS NOT. THIS IS A TIME WHEN WE NEED TO
ACTUALLY COZY UP TO CHINA AND
CAJOLE THEM INTO LETTING THEM IN
AND TELLING THE TRUTH.
SO NOW, WHEN YOU HIDE BEHIND
EXTREMELY CLASSIFIED
EXTREMELY CLASSIFIED INTELLIGENCE IF IT EVEN EXISTS
AT ALL, WE’RE TALKING
INTERCEPTS, WE’RE TALKING HUMAN
SOURCES INSIDE CHINA, IF IN FACT
THEY’RE REPORTING THIS CAME FROM
THE LAB, NOW WE CAN SEE A GAME
BEING PLAYED.
BEING PLAYED. THE WHITE HOUSE WILL SAY WE
CAN’T EXPOSE THESE VERY
SENSITIVE SOURCES, YOU NEED TO
TRUST US.
TRUST US. GUESS WHAT, THIS IS A TIME WHERE
YOU NEED TO LAY THE CARDS ON THE
TABLE.
TABLE. THE OTHER THING IS, NICOLLE, I’M
LOOKING TO THE FIVE "Is" THE
OTHER CLOSE, UK, AUSTRALIA AND
NEW ZEALAND, I HEAR NOTHING
COMING OUT OF THOSE ALLIED
SERVICES.
SERVICES. WE’RE HEARING ZERO FROM THEM.
>> YOU KNOW, KIM, TWO QUESTIONS
FOR YOU, ONE, THIS FEELS LIKE
SUCH TREACHEROUS TERRITORY TO BE
ON, ALREADY THERE HAVE BEEN
REPORTS IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
AND L.A. TIMES AND OTHER NEWS
ORGANIZATIONS ABOUT THIS UPTICK
IN XENOPHOBIC BEHAVIOR TOWARD
ASIAN AMERICANS.
ASIAN AMERICANS. THE SECOND IS, ANOTHER EXAMPLE,
THERE ARE MANY INSTANCES OF DNKS
DX NOT BELIEVING THE
INTELLIGENCE THAN BELIEVING IT.
THEY HAVE BEEN REELED IN TERMS
OF A PUBLIC STATEMENT PUT OUT BY
THE OFFICE OF DIRECTOR OF
NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE SAYING
THAT’S WHERE THE COMMUNITY IS,
YOU KNOW, THERE’S A LOT OF SMOKE
AROUND THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT
CHINA?
CHINA? >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU’RE RIGHT TO YOUR FIRST
POINT, THERE’S A REAL
CONSEQUENCE OF JUMPING OUT AHEAD
OF THE INTELLIGENCE TO BLAME
CHINA FOR THINGS THAT WE DON’T
KNOW THEY’VE ACTUALLY DONE.
AS YOU SAID, THERE’S ALREADY
BEEN AN INCREASE IN INCIDENTS
AGAINST CHINESE AMERICANS AND
ASIAN AMERICANS NOT JUST HERE IN
AMERICA BUT ACROSS THE WORLD.
YOU ALSO HAVE THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION WARNING AGAINST
ASSIGNING A GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION
TO THE NAME OF THIS.
BUT STILL, THIS ISN’T NEW.
THIS IS A PART OF THE PATTERN ON
BOTH PART PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP
AND SECRETARY
AND SECRETARY POMPEO.
POMPEO. AT THE G7, SECRETARY POMPEIIO WA
CALLING THE VIRUS THE WUHAN
VIRUS.
VIRUS. AT AT THE SAME TIME, PRESIDENT
TRUMP FROM THE PODIUM WAS
CALLING IT THE CHINESE VIRUS.
THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIS URGE,
THIS DESIRE ON THE PART OF THE
WHITE HOUSE TO BLAME CHINA FOR
THIS.
THIS. THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS SAYS THAT
HE BAND TRAVEL FROM CHINA AND
THAT SAVED MILLIONS OF LIVES
WITHOUT PROVIDING EVIDENCE.
HE DIDN’T BAN TRAVEL, HE LIMITED
IT.