ROOM AT THAT MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND ITS IMPORTANCE.
BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT AND
YOU DO WANT TO SEE THAT, THERE’S
ONE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED
HERE TODAY WHICH I WANT TO
UNDERSCORE WHICH IS THAT WE’RE
GETTING MORE INFORMATION NOW
ABOUT HOW THE UPPER REACHES OF
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION KNEW.
THEY KNEW AT THE TIME THAT WHAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS DOING IN
JERKING UKRAINE AROUND LIKE THIS
TO GET THEM TO HELP HIM WITH HIS
RE-ELECTION EFFORT, THAT EFFORT
BY THE PRESIDENT, THE TRUMP
WHITE HOUSE KNEW AT THE TIME.
THEY WERE TOLD AT THE TIME WHAT
THE COST WAS OF THE PRESIDENT
DOING THAT.
DOING THAT. WHO WOULD ULTIMATELY BENEFIT
FROM THE PRESIDENT DOING THAT IN
ADDITION TO THE PRESIDENT TRYING
TO BENEFIT HIMSELF.
JENNIFER WILLIAMS IS A FOREIGN
SERVICE OFFICER.
SERVICE OFFICER. SHE STARTED HER CAREER UNDER THE
GEORGE W. BUSH ADMINISTRATION AT
THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
SECURITY.
SECURITY. SHE WENT OUT OF HER WAY TO SAY
TODAY THAT HER HERO IS
CONDOLEEZA RICE.
CONDOLEEZA RICE. SHE BENT OVER BACKWARDS TODAY TO
MAKE SURE THAT HER COMMENTS
ABOUT VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE
WERE NOTHING BUT GOOD OR AT
LEAST NEUTRAL OR AT LEAST
AMBIGUOUS IF NEED BE.
THIS WAS NOT A WITNESS WHO WAS
ON AN ANTI-TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
CRUSADE.
CRUSADE. BUT AS A FACTUAL MATTER AND A
MATTER OF HER EXPERTISE AND JOB
RESPONSIBILITIES SHE STAFFS VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE ON THE ISSUES OF
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE. AND THROUGH HER TESTIMONY TODAY,
WE KNOW WHAT UKRAINE’S PRESIDENT
EXPLAINED OUT LOUD TO MIKE
PENCE, TO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES, TOLD HIM TO
HIS FACE IN PERSON ABOUT WHAT
THE AFFECT WAS ABOUT WHAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS DOING BY
JERKING UKRAINE AROUND THIS WAY.
NOT ONLY THAT HE WAS HURTING
UKRAINE BUT THE UKRAINIAN
PRESIDENT TOLD MIKE PENCE TO HIS
FACE DIRECTLY WHO THAT WAS
HELPING.
HELPING. >> PRESIDENT ZELENSKY EXPLAINED
THAT MORE THAN -- OR JUST
EQUALLY WITH THE FINANCIAL AND
PHYSICAL VALUE OF THE
ASSISTANCE, THAT IT WAS THE
SYMBOLIC NATURE OF THAT
ASSISTANCE THAT REALLY WAS THE
SHOAL OF U.S. SUPPORT FOR
UKRAINE AND UKRAINE’S
SOVEREIGNLY AND TERRITORIAL
INTEGRITY.
INTEGRITY. AND I THINK HE WAS STRESSING
THAT TO THE VICE PRESIDENT TO
REALLY UNDERSCORE THE NEED FOR
THE SECURITY ASSISTANCE TO BE
RELEASED.
RELEASED. >> AND THAT IF THE UNITED STATES
WAS HOLDING THE SECURITY
ASSISTANCE, IS IT ALSO TRUE THEN
THAT RUSSIA COULD SEE THAT AS A
SIGN OF WEAKENING U.S. SUPPORT
FOR UKRAINE AND TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF THAT?
OF THAT? >> I BELIEVE THAT’S WHAT
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY WAS
INDICATING
INDICATING INDICATING, THAT ANY SIGNAL OR
SIGN THAT U.S. SUPPORT WAS
WAVERING WOULD BE CONSTRUED BY
RUSSIA AS POTENTIALLY AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO
STRENGTHEN THEIR OWN HAND IN
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE. >> THAT POINT ABOUT HOW
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ACTIONS, HIS
ACTIONS AT THE HEART OF THIS
IMPEACHMENT WERE ULTIMATELY TO
THE BENEFIT OF RUSSIA, THAT CAME
HOME AS WELL TODAY ON THE
SPECIFIC ISSUE OF THIS THEORY,
THIS FOREIGN -- CAN I CALL IT
THE FOREIGN THEORY?
THIS ODD THEORY THAT NOT ONLY
PRESIDENT TRUMP WERE PUSHING
THIS UKRAINE SCHEME BUT THE
REPUBLICANS DEFENDING THIS, THEY
HAVE BEEN PUSHING THIS THEORY AS
WELL AT THE HEARINGS.
WATCH.
WATCH. >> WHAT WAS THE FULL EXTENT OF
UKRAINE’S ELECTION MEDDLING
AGAINST THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN?
IN THESE DEPOSITIONS AND
HEARINGS REPUBLICANS HAVE CITED
NUMEROUS INDICATIONS OF UKRAINE
MEDDLING IN THE 2016 ELECTIONS
TO OPPOSE THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
>> OH, THE UKRAINE MEDDLING IN
THE 2016 ELECTION.
THE WAY UKRAINE INTERVENED IN
THE ELECTION TO MESS WITH US AS
AMERICANS, TO TRY TO GET HILLARY
CLINTON ELECTED.
CLINTON ELECTED. THIS -- IF -- IF THE HISTORY OF
THIS MOMENT IS WELL WRITTEN,
THIS OUGHT TO BE SOME OF THE
ENDURING
ENDURING ENDURING RESIDUE OF THIS
IMPEACHMENT WHEN IT’S ALL OVER.
BECAUSE, YES, THE PRESIDENT IS
BEING IMPEACHED FOR TRYING TO
GET A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO
INVESTIGATE HIS POLITICAL RIVAL
JOE BIDEN.
JOE BIDEN. LITERALLY EVERYONE WHO HAS
TESTIFIED EVEN THE TRUMP
APPOINTEES WHO THE REPUBLICANS
SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED, THEY ALL
CONCEDED THAT’S BAD.
A PRESIDENT SHOULD ASK A FOREIGN
COUNTRY TO INVESTIGATE HIS
POLITICAL RIVAL.
POLITICAL RIVAL. BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE
PRESIDENT WAS ASKING UKRAINE TO
INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN, THE
PRESIDENT WAS ALSO TRYING TO GET
UKRAINE TO PROVIDE HIM SOME KIND
OF INVESTIGATION, SOMETHING TO
BACK UP THIS COO COO FOR
COCOPUFFS IDEA IT WASN’T RUSSIA
WHO INTERFERED IN THE 2016
ELECTION, IT WAS SOME OTHER
COUNTRY WHO DID IT.
IT WAS UKRAINE.
AND PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS PUSHING
FOR THAT ON THE PHONE WITH THE
PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE.
AND SOME OF THE REPUBLICANS IN
CONGRESS ARE PUSHING THAT THEORY
THEMSELVES AT THE IMPEACHMENT
HEARINGS.
HEARINGS. WHILE THE ENTIRE INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY SAYS ACTUALLY IT WAS
RUSSIA THAT DID AND THE
BIPARTISAN SENATE INTELLIGENCE
COMMITTEE SAYS, NO, IT WAS
RUSSIA THAT DID IT.
AND A DOZEN RUSSIAN MILITARY
INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS ARE UNDER
INDICTMENT FROM THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT FOR THAT ATTACK
BECAUSE, YES, IT WAS RUSSIA WHO
DID IT.
DID IT. AND AGAINST ALL OF THAT EVIDENCE
ANDOLOGICAL
ANDOLOGICAL AND ALL OF THOSE WE THOUGHT
RELATIVELY CONTROVERSIAL
RELATIVELY CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSIONS, WHERE DOES THIS
ALTERNATE THEORY COME FROM, THAT
RUSSIA DIDN’T ACTUALLY DO IT,
THAT RUSSIA DIDN’T INTERFERE IN
THE ELECTION, THAT’S A HOAX, IT
WAS UKRAINE THAT INTERFERED IN
THE ELECTION?
THE ELECTION? WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?
THAT’S AS MUCH A PART OF THIS
IMPEACHMENT.
IMPEACHMENT. HE’S TRYING TO GET UKRAINE TO
GIVE HIM BACK UP FOR THIS
COCKAMAMIE THEORY RUSSIA DIDN’T
DO IT.
DO IT. WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM?
AMONG THE OTHER THINGS WE’RE
GETTING FROM THESE WITNESSES AT
ALL OF THESE HEARINGS IS THEY’RE
ALL SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS,
RIGHT?
RIGHT? THEY’RE ALL SUBJECT MATTER
EXPERT FACT WITNESSES WHO REALLY
KNOW UKRAINE AND REALLY KNOW
THAT PART OF THE WORLD.
AND THEY ACTUALLY KNOW THE
ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION OF WHERE
THAT COCKAMAMIE THEORY COMES
FROM.
FROM. >> TAT THE TIME OF THIS JULY
25th PHONE CALL, COLONEL
VINDMAN, WERE YOU WEAR OF THIS
THEORY UKRAINE HAD INTERVENE OR
INTERFERED IN THE 2016 U.S.
ELECTION?
ELECTION? >> I WAS.
>> I WAS. >> WERE YOU AWARE OF ANY
CREDIBLE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT
THIS THEORY?
THIS THEORY? >> I AM NOT.
>> ARE YOU ALSO AWARE THAT
VLADIMIR PUTIN HAD PROMOTED THIS
THEORY OF UKRAINIAN INTERFERENCE
IN THE 2016 ELECTION?
>> I’M WELL AWARE OF THAT FACT.
>> AND ULTIMATELY WHICH COUNTRY
DID U.S. INTELLIGENCE SERVICES
DETERMINED TO HAVE INTERFERED IN
THE 2016 ELECTION?
>> IT IS THE CONSENSUS OF THE
ENTIRE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY
THAT THE RUSSIANS INTERFERED IN
U.S. ELECTIONS IN 2016.
>> YOU BOTH LISTENED IN REALTIME
TO THE JULY 25th CALL.
IN PARTICULAR YOU WOULD HAVE
HEARD PRESIDENT TRUMP ASK THE
PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE, QUOTE, I
WOULD LIKE YOU TO FIND OUT WHAT
HAPPENED WITH THIS WHOLE
SITUATION WITH UKRAINE.
THEY SAY CROWD STRIKE AND QUOTE,
THE SERVER, THEY SAY UKRAINE HAS
IT.
IT. THIS IS DEBUNKED CONSPIRACY
THEORY THAT HAS NO BASIS IN
FACT.
FACT. PRESIDENT TRUMP’S OWN FORMER
HOME LNLD SECURITY ADVISOR
CALLED THE PRESIDENT’S ASSERTION
THAT UKRAIN INTERVENED IN THE
2016 ELECTIONS NOT ONLY A
CONSPIRACY THEORY BUT COMPLETELY
DEBUNKED, UNQUOTE.
DEBUNKED, UNQUOTE. COLONEL VINDMAN, ARE YOU AWARE
OF ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE
THEORY THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT
INTERFERED THIN 2016 ELECTION?
>> CONGRESSMAN, I’M NOT.
AND FURTHERMORE, I WOULD SAY
THIS IS A RUSSIAN NARRATIVE THAT
PRESIDENT PUTIN HAS PROMOTED.
>> AND ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY PART
OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT THAT
SUPPORTS THAT THEORY?
>> NO.
>> NO. >> NO.
>> NO. NO JUST THE PRESIDENT AND THE
REPUBLICANS WHO ARE DEFENDING
HIM IN THIS IMPEACHMENT HEARING.
THEY’RE THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE
SPORING THAT RUSSIAN NARRATIVE
THAT PRESIDENT PUTIN HAS
PROMOTED.
PROMOTED. THE ENTIRE U.S. INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY AND EVERY PART OF THE
FOREIGN POLICY AND INTELLIGENCE
APPARATUS OF THIS COUNTRY, THE
ENTIRETY OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
CONCEDES THAT IT WAS RUSSIA WHO
DID IT, BUT THE PRESIDENT IS
PUSHING THIS RUSSIA NARRATIVE
THAT PRESIDENT PUTIN HAS
PROMOTED AND NOW HIS SUPPORTERS
IN CONGRESS ARE PUSHING THAT.
I MEAN, IN THE END, WHEN DOES
THE END COME?
IN THE END SOMEONE WILL WRITE OR
BOOK OR SOMEONE WILL RUN A
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN OR SOMEONE
WILL WRITE A GREAT TV SHOW ON
THIS SOMEDAY THAT THE FACT ON
THIS IMPEACHMENT, ONE OF THE
THINGS THE PRESIDENT WAS
IMPEACHED FOR AND ONE OF THE
WAYS THE REPUBLICANS DEFENDED
HIM WAS PROMIGATING A RUSSIAN
CONSPIRACY THEORY DESIGNED TO
EXONERATE THAT COUNTRY FROM
THEIR ATTACK ON US IN 2016.
SOMEDAY THAT STORY WILL BE
WRITTEN.
WRITTEN. AND IN THE FUTURE NO ONE WILL
FREAKING BELIEVE WE LIVED
THROUGH THAT IN 2019 IN THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
SOMEDAY THAT STORY IS COMING.
BUT AS OF TONIGHT WE ARE STILL