AND WOMEN WILL NEED TO STEP
FORWARD AND LEAD THE WAY.
JOINING ME NOW IS MADELINE THE
CHAIR WOMAN OF THE VICTIMS
RIGHTS REFORM COUNCIL.
ALSO WITH ME PAUL MAUER 0
ATTORNEY AND FORMER
NYPDINSPECTOR.
MADELINE START WITH YOU, YOU
WERE ON THE SHOW ONCE AND WE GOT
A HUGE REACTION TO YOUR
APPEARANCE BECAUSE YOU AND
YOUR -- I MEAN, YOUR SON, A
VETERAN WAS BRUTALLY ATTACKED
AND MURDERED.
>> YES.
>> Laura: HIS KILLERS GOT
SWEETHEART DPREELS ALVIN BRAGG
BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE STRONG
FEELINGS ABOUT MR. PENNY GIVEN
WHAT HE PUT ON THE LINE AND
WHAT’S HAPPENED TO HIM SINCE.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
YOU KNOW, IT’S UNFORTUNATE WHAT
HAPPENED ON THAT TRAIN THAT DAY.
THE CITY OF NEW YORK, THE ENTIRE
APPARATUS, HAS COMPLETELY FAILED
MR. PENNY AND MR. NEELY.
MR. NEELY HAD NO BUSINESS EVEN
BEING ON THAT TRAIN PERIOD.
MR. PENNY, DIDN’T EVEN --
SHOULDN’T HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN
PUT IN THAT POSITION WHERE HE
HAD TO DEFEND HIMSELF AND OTHER
PEOPLE.
THIS IS A SOLDIER, A MARINE.
HE’S TRAINED BY THE UNITED
STATES GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT AND
SERVE.
OKAY?
IF YOU HAVE A DERANGED
INDIVIDUAL ON A LOCKED, MOVING,
SUBWAY CAR, OKAY, THREATENING TO
KILL PEOPLE AND SHOOT PEOPLE,
HIS NATURAL INSTINCT IS GOING TO
BE TO PROTECT AND SERVE.
JUST LIKE THE 63 YEAR OLD WOMAN
FELT.
THEM PEOPLE WERE PETRIFIED ON
THAT TRAIN.
BECAUSE I HAVE MY OWN EXPERIENCE
OF BEING LOCKED IN A MOVING
SUBWAY CAR.
>> Laura: AND WE HAVE SOME VIDEO
OF THAT.
LET’S SHOW IT NOW.
>> YEAH.
>> PEOPLE JUST STARTED RUNNING,
STAMPEDING ME ON THE TRAIN.
I LOST MY SHOE.
THEY BROKE THE WINDOW AND I
STEPPED IN GLASS.
I’M BLEEDING.
THIS IS REAL.
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE JUST STARTED
STAMPEDING THROUGH THE CARS.
WE WERE LOCKED INSIDE THE TRAIN.
THIS IS REAL NEW YORK.
>> Laura: PAUL, THIS IS REAL,
IT’S REAL TO EVERYONE WHO’S
EXPERIENCED THIS, IT’S
TERRIFYING WHEN YOU’RE IN CLOSED
CONFINED SPACE.
IT TAKES HOW LONG FOR SOMEONE TO
SLASH YOU, ATTACK YOU.
HE SAID HE DIDN’T MIND IF HE
WENT TO JAIL THE REST OF HIS
LIFE, WHAT DOES THAT TELL THE
PASSENGERS?
>> WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE BODY
ENGLISH HE TOOK HIS JACKET OFF
AND SAID I’M DONE, THAT’S
DEFINITIVE.
YOU’RE IN A CONFINED AREA NO
PLACE TO GO LOOKING AROUND FOR
RESPITE.
PEOPLE SAY WELL, WHERE WERE THE
COPS, WHERE WERE THE COPS.
YOU CAN’T HAVE A COP ON EVERY
TRAIN CAR IT’S JUST NUMERICALLY
IMPOSSIBLE.
WE’RE LUCKY WE HAVE COPS IN SOME
OF THE MAJOR TRAIN HUBS IN LIKE
OF THE FACT RECRUITMENT IS DOWN
AND RETENTION IS A CHALLENGE.
THE IDEA THERE IS THIS VACUUM OF
PUBLIC SAFETY, THE VERY PEOPLE
WEAPONIZING THE VACUUM, WE KNOW
WHO THESE ARE, THE AOCs OF THE
WORLD WHO CALL IT MURDER.
>> Laura: WHITE SUPREMACY
MURDER.
>> MEANWHILE ONE OF THE PEOPLE
WHO WAS HELPING MR. PENNY
APPEARS TO BE A PERSON OF COLOR,
A MALE OF COLOR.
AND HERE’S THE OTHER DIRTY
LITTLE SECRET.
IT’S VERY POLITICALLY INCORRECT
TO SAY BUT I’M JUST GOING TO SAY
IT.
THE VICTIMS ON THIS SUBWAY, THE
TARGETS, ARE GENERALLY WOMEN,
OKAY?
THAT’S JUST THE TRUTH.
AND NOBODY WANTS TO SAY IT
BECAUSE, OH, GOD, GETS INTO
MERCURY TERRITORY THAT WE’RE NOT
SUPPOSED TO TOUCH BUT THAT’S THE
TRUTH.
AND THERE’S A REASON WHY ONE OF
THE PEOPLE ON THE TRAIN SAID I’M
PRAYING FOR HIM AND I’M GOING TO
THE FIFTH PRECINCT ON HIS BEHALF
AND ANOTHER WOMAN, A WOMAN OF
COLOR AS YOU SAID, CALLED HIM A
HERO.
IF YOU ARE A WOMAN OR A MALE, IF
YOU ARE A HUSBAND A FATHER A
BROTHER, AND THAT IS SOMEBODY IN
YOUR FAMILY DON’T YOU WANT A
DANIEL PENNY.
>> Laura: DON’T WE WANT MEN TO
STAND UP AND PROTECT AND DEFEND
ANYONE WHO’S RIND DO SO OR JUST
WANTS TO HELP.
>> OF COURSE.
>> Laura: WHY WERE THEY AFTER
THOSE OTHER TWO.
YOU MENTIONED ONE MIGHT HAVE
BEEN A PERSON OF COLOR.
>> RIGHT.
>> Laura: COULD THEY ACTUALLY
CHARGE THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS OF
AIDING AND ABETTING A POSSIBLE
MANSLAUGHTER.
>> MY GUT WOULD BE NO, I DON’T
THINK THEY WILL, IF YOU’RE
ASKING ME TO GUESS.
BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU WHAT
ELSE.
REMEMBER THIS HAS TO GO TO A
GRAND JURY.
>> Laura: SIX MONTHS FOR A GRAND
JURY CHARGE.
>> A LITTLE GIVE AND TAKE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, POINT JURORS, AS
LEFT AS THEY ARE, TAKE THE
SUBWAY.
YOU ONLY NEED ONE TO HANG A JURY
IF YOU GET TO A TRIAL.
>> Laura: MADELINE, AGAIN, THIS
IDEA THAT HEROES ARE CRIMINALS
AND CRIMINALS ARE MISUNDERSTOOD,
HOW IS THAT PLAYING IN THE
MINORITY COMMUNITY?
CAN YOU CAN MAKE A BROAD
GENERALIZATION.
>> OKAY.
TO SUM IT UP, IF MR. PENNY HAD
BEEN BLACK AND THAT HAD HAPPENED
TO MR. NEELY, AND BOTH OF THESE
INDIVIDUALS.
>> Laura: IF THE RACES HAD BEEN
REVERSED.
>> YES.
WE WOULDN’T HEAR NOTHING ABOUT
THIS STORY.
JUST LIKE WE DON’T HEAR ANYTHING
ABOUT ALL THE BLACK ON BLACK
CRIME THAT’S HAPPENING IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
AS SOON AS IT’S A WHITE COP OR A
WHITE PERSON WHO DOES SOMETHING
TO A BLACK PERSON, THEN ALL OF A
SUDDEN EVERYBODY WANTS TO PLAY
THE RACE CARD.
OKAY?
AND BE THE AOCs OF THE WORLD AND
USE THE WORDS LIKE LYNCHING AND
ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS
LIKE THAT AND EVERYBODY’S
JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON.
I CAN TELL YOU SOMETHING RIGHT
NOW, IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY,
WE’RE SICK AND TIRED OF IT.
WE’RE TIRED OF IT, ALL RIGHT.
>> Laura: SO WHAT SHOULD THE
POLITICAL ANSWER BE TO THIS?
BECAUSE THE VOTING PATTERN AMONG
MOST AFRICAN AMERICANS IS
DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS IN CHARGE,
THE WHOLE CITY IS DEMOCRATS, ALL
THEM RUNNING IT.
WHAT’S YOUR MESSAGE TONIGHT.
>> TIME TO LEAVE THE PLANTATION
OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
TIME TO LEAVE.
BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT NOTHING BUT
DILAPIDATED HOUSING FAILING
SCHOOLS CRIME UNEMPLOYMENT
ABORTION AND EVERY OTHER
HORRIBLE THING THAT YOU CAN
ABSOLUTELY THINK OF.
>> Laura: PAUL 1-10 HOW ANGRY
ARE THE PEOPLE IN NEW YORK OVER
THIS CRIME ISSUE?
1-10.
>> SEVEN.
>> Laura: PRETTY BAD.
>> YEAH, YOU DON’T HEAR ABOUT IT