>> THE FAMILY OF A PARIS TERROR VICTIM ARE NOW SUING SOCIAL
MEDIA COMPANIES BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE SOCIAL MEDIA
OUTLETS LIKE FACEBOOK, TWITTER, AND GOOGLE HAVE CREATED AN
ATMOSPHERE WHERE TERRORISTS CAN COMMUNICATE WITH ONE
ANOTHER AND ALSO RECRUIT INDIVIDUALS TO GROW THEIR BASE.
NOHEMI GONZALES WAS ONE OF THE VICTIMS IN PARIS.
SHE WAS STUDYING ABROAD AT
THE TIME.
SHE WAS A STUDENT FROM CAL STATE LONG BEACH.
I THINK THAT IS AN INTERESTING LAWSUIT BECAUSE I HAVE
ALWAYS WONDERED WHY IT IS THAT MEMBERS OF ISIS COULD USE
THESE SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS TO NETWORK.
THAT IS WHAT STOOD OUT TO ISIS.
I REMEMBER REPORTING ON THAT WITH BEN.
WHAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT FROM THE TALIBAN OR AL QAEDA IS THAT
THEY ARE TECH SAVVY.
I THINK THERE COULD BE A GOOD SIDE TO THAT.
BUT WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
>>
I FEEL SORRY FOR THE FAMILY, BUT THIS WILL BE A BAD PRECEDENT.
I HOPE THE JUDGE'S UNDERSTANDING OF BOTH SIDES.
I AM CLOSE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SILICON VALLEY, A LOT OF
THESE PLACES THAT ARE BEING SUED RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS BAD BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO OPEN UP A WHOLE
PANDORA'S BOX OF HATE GROUPS SUING, OR RADICAL GROUPS OF
ANY TYPE OF RELIGIOUS ñ HATE GROUPS.
THEY HAVE DIVISIONS AND PEOPLE THAT ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING
FOR THIS STUFF.
INSIDE OF FACEBOOK AND TWITTER THEY ARE SHUTTING DOWN
ACCOUNTS [VIDEO BUFFERING] THEN WE HAVE TO FIND THOSE BACK
DOORS TO SHUT THEM DOWN AS WELL.
>>YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT ALL THESE MEDIA GIANTS GOING AFTER
ISIS AND SHUTTING DOWN THESE ACCOUNTS, BUT THERE IS AN
UPSIDE OF THEM USING THE INTERNET AND SITES TO
RECRUIT PEOPLE AND SPREAD
>> THE TRUTH IS YES, AND THAT IS HOW IT'S USED.
A LOT OF THE WAYS THAT YOU TRAP TERRORISTS ARE BITE SETTING
UP INTERACTIONS ONLINE.
THEY CREATE FAKE WEBSITES AND PROFILES IN ORDER TO LURE
THESE PEOPLE IN.
THEY HAVE BEEN USING FACEBOOK TO RADICALIZE ONLINE, SO YOU
SET UP A PLACE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT.
IF YOU GET RID OF THAT AVENUE, YOU PROBABLY DO MAKE IT
HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO RADICALIZE, BUT YOU ALSO MAKE IT HARDER
TO CATCH THEM.
THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
THIS IS WHAT KENNY IS TALKING ABOUT, THE CAT AND MOUSE
GAME, FINDING OUT WHETHER FACEBOOK IS KNOWINGLY
ALLOWING THESE THINGS TO GO ON FOR REASONS OF INCREASING
TRAFFIC AND REVENUE.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, SHUT IT DOWN.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE WILL GET TO KNOW.
THE DANGER IS EXPOSING THE TRAPS SET BY THE FBI ALONG THE WAY.
I THINK IT IS WORTH IT.
IN ONE WAY THIS FAMILY IS SUING THE WORLD FOR CHANGING.
>> YEAH.
HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
HARASSMENT AND HATE SPEECH ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT IS DIFFERENT
FROM THE TERMS OF SERVICE THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
>>WHICH WE ALL READ BY THE WAY.
I READ ALL OF THEM.
>>YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T GO STALKING SOMEONE.
FACEBOOK IS GOOD ABOUT SHUTTING THOSE SITES DOWN.
ANONYMOUS HAS DONE A GOOD JOB THIS WEEK OF ATTACKING ISIS
SITES WITH A BUNCH OF GAY PORN.
SO GOOD.
I LOVE IT.
>>IT IS SO PERFECT.
>> BUT TWITTER HAS A HUGE LONG-STANDING ISSUE WITH
NOT HELPING PEOPLE ON THIS ISSUE.
WE SAW IT A LOT ON GAMER GATES, WHERE PEOPLE FELT ATTACKED
BY OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS WHOLE SIDE.
WE ARE TALKING DEATH THREATS, RAPE THREATS, TRUE HATE
SPEECH, AND TWITTER WOULD NOT SHUT DOWN THESE ACCOUNTS.
>> I HAVE BEEN VERY OPEN AND HONEST ABOUT MY DISDAIN FOR
THE WAY TWITTER HANDLES THINGS, AND I AM NOT AN ACTIVE TWEETER.
I HAVE TWITTER BECAUSE I AM FORCED.
YOU ARE NOT RELEVANT IN THE MEDIA WORLD UNLESS YOU HAVE A
TWITTER ACCOUNT WITH A NUMBER OF FOLLOWERS, SO I HAVE TO HAVE IT.
BUT DO I LIKE IT?
NO, I HATE IT.
I LIKE TO USE IT TO GET
INFORMATION, BUT MY MENTIONS- I
GO OUT OF MY WAY TO AVOID LOOKING AT IT.
>>IS THAT WHY YOU DIDN'T RETWEET ME LAST TIME?
>>I DON'T SEE A LOT OF TWEETS, AND THAT IS BECAUSE I HAVE
TO TAKE CARE OF ME AND MY MENTAL HEALTH.
TWITTER IS THE PERFECT PLATFORM FOR THAT TYPE OF ABUSE.
IT'S A WAY FOR PEOPLE THAT DESPISE ME TO HAVE DIRECT
COMMUNICATION WITH ME, NO THANK YOU.
>>
I WORRY ABOUT WHAT THIS LAWSUIT OPENS UP LONGER DOWN THE LINE.
THIS EXPOSES A LOT OF INNOCENT PEOPLE TO BIG ISSUES I AM
NOT COMFORTABLE WITH.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A MONEY ISSUE.
OR ARE WE JUST TRYING TO REACH AND SAY WHO CAN WE SUE THAT
IS GOING TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE?
SOMETIMES LAWSUITS ARE REALLY
FRIVOLOUS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS
IS SOMETHING THAT WILL OPEN UP A LOT OF PROBLEMS DOWN THE LINE.
>>THIS IS NOT AS CUT AND DRY AS THE DISNEY ALLIGATOR THING.
>> EVEN WITH THAT, NOW THEY ARE SAYING THAT RICH PEOPLE WHO PAY
$2000 A NIGHT AT THIS HOTEL WERE FEEDING THE ALLIGATORS.
SO NOW ALL THIS OTHER STUFF IS COMING OUT.
I WAS THERE A YEAR AGO AND MY DAUGHTER WAS BULLIED ñ
AND I AM GOING TO SUE YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU ARE THE REASON
THAT MY DAUGHTER COMMITTED SUICIDE.
>> I DO HAVE FAITH THAT IN THE FACEBOOK CASE ñ
I DON'T THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO ENABLE TERRORISTS.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE REASON FACEBOOK IS SO
SUCCESSFUL IS THAT THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT [VIDEO
BUFFERING] THE PEOPLE I KNOW THERE ARE REALLY NICE, AND
THAT WOULD LOOK REALLY BAD.
>>YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT AS WELL.
LOOK AT IT AS HOW THEY USED TO TRACK PEDOPHILES ONLINE.
YOU REMEMBER TO CATCH A PREDATOR?
THEY WOULD GO IN THE CHAT ROOMS AND ACTUALLY PULL UP,
CREATE THEIR OWN CHAT ROOMS TO LURE INDIVIDUALS.
>> I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT WITH
ANY ADVANCEMENT IN TECHNOLOGY THERE IS ROOM FOR ABUSE.
WHEN THE ABUSE HAPPENS, YOU HAVE TO EITHER USE IT TO YOUR
ADVANTAGE TO CATCH THE ABUSERS, OR FIND WAYS TO MITIGATE ITS.
I THINK IT COULD BE USED AS A GOOD WAY OF GETTING INTEL
ABOUT THESE TERRORISTS, AND I THINK ABOUT FOR THE MOST
PART THE SOCIAL MEDIA GIANTS HAVE DONE THEIR BEST TO
SHUT DOWN THESE ACCOUNTS.
I DON'T THINK THEY ARE ALLOWING MEMBERS OF ISIS TO POST
BEHEADING VIDEOS, I THINK THEY ARE GOOD ABOUT TAKING THEM
DOWN AS SOON AS THEY ARE NOTIFIED.