SECOND AMENDMENT HEATING UP
AGAIN IN THE WAKE OF TWO MASS
SHOOTINGS IN CALIFORNIA AND A
NATIONWIDE CRIME CRISIS.
GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM THINKS THE
SOLUTION IS TO BAN GUNS.
>> I MEAN, THE SECOND AMENDMENT
HAS BECOMING A SUICIDE PACKET.
>> THERE’S MANY PEOPLE IN THE
COUNTRY THAT SUPPORT THE SECOND
AMENDMENT AND ARE LAWFUL GUN
OWNERS.
>> I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR
RESPONSIBLE OWNERS OF FIREARMS,
GETTING BACKGROUND CHECKS,
GETTING TRAINED.
>> HOW DID HE GET A GUN THAT’S
ILLEGAL IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA?
>> EXACTLY.
WE’LL FIGURE IT OUT.
THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN.
YOU GOT TO ENFORCE LAWS.
THINGS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS,
BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN YOU GIVE UP.
>> Dana: DESPITE A CRACKDOWN,
CALIFORNIA HAS SOME OF THE
STRICTEST GUN CONTROL LAWS IN
THE SNAKES AND OTHER BLUE AREAS
TOUGH ON GUNS ARE NOT SEEING
REDUCED CRIME RATES.
DEMOCRATS-RUN CITIES LIKE
BALTIMORE, CHICAGO, NEW YORK AND
L.A., HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHEST
HOMICIDE RATES.
LET’S GO TO GREG GUTFELD.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> Greg: FIRST OF ALL, I DON’T
TRUST ANYBODY ON GUN CONTROL IF
THEY DON’T KNOW THE TERMS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
ALSO THOSE WHO REFUSE THE AGENCY
OF THE CRIMINAL.
IT’S ALWAYS THE GUN THAT’S DOING
THE KILLING AS IF IT’S UP ON TWO
LITTLE LEGS HIT AND RUNNING DOWN
STREET SHOOTING PEOPLE.
I DON’T TRUST ANYBODY WHO CAN’T
TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A
THUG WITH A GUN AND A SHOPKEEPER
WITH A GUN.
WHY IS THERE NO SECOND AMENDMENT
PHOBIA?
RIGHT?
YOU’RE CRITICAL OF ANYTHING ON
THE LEFT, IT’S A PHOBIA.
YOU KNOW, RADICAL ISLAM, ISLAMOPHOBIA.
CRITICAL OF OBESITY, FAT FOLKIC.
TRANSPHOBIC.
THERE’S PEOPLE WHO FEAR LAWFUL
GUN OWNERS AND BESMIRCH THEM AND
TRY TAKE THEIR GUNS AWAY RATHER
THAN FACE THE REAL PROBLEMS, THE
THUGS WITH THE GUNS.
>> Dana: WHAT’S ABSURD ABOUT
THIS, THE DEMOCRATS INITIALLY
CALLED FOR AN IMMEDIATE ASSAULT
WEAPONS BAN, BUT THE CALIFORNIA
SHOOTER, ONE OF THEM, USED A
HANDGUN TO TO HIS KILLING.
>> A POOR MAN’S UZI, WITH AN
EXTENDED CLIP, 30 ROUNDS.
I DON’T KNOW IF IT WAS MODIFIED
TO SHOOT AUTOMATIC.
YOU SEE THOSE THINGS IN A STEVEN
SEAGAL MOVIE FROM THE ’80s.
IT’S NOT EVEN AN ASSAULT WEAPON
UNDER THEIR DEFINITION OF AN
ASSAULT WEAPON.
YOU CAN’T SAY THE SECOND
AMENDMENT IS A SUICIDE PACT.
IF HE WAS THERE, I’D HAVE HIM
RUN THAT ANALOGY BY HIM.
IT’S SUCH AN INFLAMMATORY
STATEMENT.
HE DOESN’T KNOW HOW TO TALK
ABOUT IT, BECAUSE HE DOESN’T
KNOW HOW TO SHOOT A WEAPON.
I GOOGLED GAVIN NEWSOM HUNTING,
YOU CAN’T FIND A PHOTO OF GAVIN
NEWSOM HOLDING A GUN.
IF IT’S GORE, CLINTON, BARACK
OBAMA, REMEMBER THE PHOTO SHOOT,
I MEAN EVEN JOE BIDEN TALKS
ABOUT IT, I HAVE SHOTGUNS.
YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST GO TO THE
RANGE ONCE TO JUST BE ABLE TO
TALK ABOUT IT, TO HAVE THAT
EXPERIENCE, AS AN AMERICAN, TO
RESPECT THE SECOND AMENDMENT,
BECAUSE IF YOU DON’T RESPECT THE
SECOND AMENDMENT, YOU DON’T
RESPECT THE FOUNDERS, OUR
RIGHTS, THE PIONEERS, THE
POLICE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT
EXPERIENCE.
I DON’T THINK HE HAS THAT
EXPERIENCE.
THAT’S WHY HE’S SO RECKLESS WITH
HIS LANGUAGE.
HE NEVER TALKS ABOUT CRIME.
HE ONLY TALKS ABOUT MASS
SHOOTINGS.
THERE’S HOMICIDES ALL THE TIME.
THERE’S 2,000 HOMICIDES A YEAR
IN CALIFORNIA.
DOESN’T TALK ABOUT THOSE.
ONLY TALKS ABOUT MASS SHOOTINGS,
BECAUSE HE’S SO SOFT ON CRIME,
AND HE’S TOUGH ON GUNS, BECAUSE
IT’S EASIER TO BE TOUGH ON GUNS.
HARD, BECAUSE IT TAKES
COMMITMENT, TO BE TOUGH ON
CRIME.
>> Dana: HAROLD, WHAT ABOUT
CREATIVE THINKING ABOUT GOING
AFTER THE PROBLEM OF THE GUN
VIOLENCE RATHER THAN JUST THE
GUN?
AS IF THEY DOUBLED DOWN ON THE
LAWS THEY ALREADY HAVE, AS WE
POINTED OUT, A LOT OF THESE
CITIES HAVE VERY STRICT GUN
LAWS, AND AS NORAH O’DONNELL
ASKED THE GOVERNOR, WE DON’T
KNOW HOW HE GOT THE ILLEGAL GUN.
>> Harold: I THINK YOU’RE RIGHT.
THE PREMISE OF YOUR QUESTION,
THE GUN LAWS IN A LOT OF THESE
STATES AND CITIES ARE NOT
ACHIEVING THE AIM END THAT WE
WANT, OR THE END THAT ALL OF US
WANT.
I DON’T THINK ANYONE WANTS MASS
SHOOTINGS.
I DON’T THINK ANYONE WANTS TO
SEE THE VIOLENCE WE SEE IN
COMMUNITIES, THE CITIES YOU PUT
UP, INCLUDING OUR HOME CITY HERE
IN NEW YORK.
IF YOU HAVE TO PUSH THE RESET
BUTTON AND START OVER WE SHOULD.
I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY AROUND THE
TABLE, AND FOR THAT MATTER THOSE
WHO -- FIRST OFF, WE AGREE, WE
DON’T WANT MASS SHOOTING, WE
WANT TO ELIMINATE GUN VIOLENCE
IN COMMUNITIES WHERE KIDS ARE
GETTING SHOT AND DRIVE-BYS ARE
HAPPENING.
HOW DO WE DO THAT?
WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
MOST POLICE ORGANIZATIONS
SUPPORT GUN CONTROL LAWS OR
STRICTER GUN CONTROL LAWS THAT
WE HAVE, INCLUDING BIG POLICE
CHIEFS ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH
IT FIRSTHAND.
I’M A SECOND AMENDMENT GUY.
I BELIEVE THAT.
I WOULD NOT HAVE USED THE WORDS
"SUICIDE PACT," BUT I UNDERSTAND
HIS PASSION.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO TAKE A STEP
BACK.
CHAIRMAN COMER, TELL MAYORS,
LOOK, YOUR PLANS AREN’T WORKING,
YOUR LAWS ARE NOT WORKING, LET’S
PUSH RESET THE BUTTON, AND I
WANT TO HELP YOU FIGURE OUT HOW
WE REDUCE THESE KILLINGS AND
MASS SHOOTINGS.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME TO SOME
AGREEMENT.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW ISN’T WORKING.
>> Dana: JUDGES IS THERE
SOMETHING ABOUT NOT PROSECUTING
THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS?
>> Jeanine: THAT’S EXACTLY THE
ISSUE.
EVERYBODY IS SITTING HERE
TALKING ABOUT THE LAWS.
IF THE LAWS AREN’T ENFORCED,
THERE’S NOT GOING TO BE AN END
TO CRIME, WHETHER IT’S PETTY
LARCENY OR MURDER OR HOMICIDE BY
A HANDGUN, OR BY AN UZI, YOU
KNOW, OR SOME KIND OF -- SOME
KIND OF MACHINE GUN.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID,
HAROLD, WAS MOST POLICE CHIEFS
SUPPORT SOME KIND OF GUN
CONTROL.
I’M NOT SURE THAT’S THE CASE.
YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO ILLINOIS,
WHERE I THINK IT WAS
OPERATESKER, WHO SAID THAT HE
WANTS SOME KIND OF LIMIT.
THE SHERIFFS CAME OUT AND SAID
WE’RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ARRESTS
IN THESE CASES.
LET ME JUST SAY THAT IT IS AN
ISSUE OF ENFORCEMENT.
NOW, WHEN HE GETS UP THERE, AND
SAYS I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR
GUN OWNERS, HE’S TALKING OUT OF
BOTH SIDES OF HIS MOUTH.
WHEN HE SAYS, IT’S A SUICIDE
PACT, MEANING I’M GOING TO BE
KILLED BECAUSE I HAVE GUNS, AND
SOMEBODY ELSE WHO HAS GUNS IS
GOING TO BE KILLED, THAT’S NOT
GREAT RESPECT FOR A GUN OWNER OR
THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHEN HE
SAYS, I DON’T KNOW WHERE THE GUN
CAME FROM, BUT WE’LL FIND OUT.
WELL, I’M NOT SURE YOU’RE GOING
TO FIND OUT, GOVERNOR, BECAUSE
YOU DON’T DO A LOT ON THE GUN
TRAFFICKING, THE STING
OPERATIONS, THE ENFORCEMENT, AND
THE ULTIMATE PUNISHMENT.
YOU ARREST PEOPLE IN YOUR STATE
WITH GUNS, AND THEN YOU LET THEM
GO, AND THEN THEY GET ANOTHER
GUN.
YOU WONDER WHY THERE’S
EVERYBODY’S GOT A GUN AND IS
KILLING EVERYONE.
THERE’S NO EFFECTIVE CONSEQUENCE
IF YOU HAVE A GUN.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
YOU CAN BLAME THAT GUN, AS GREG
SAYS, ON TWO LITTLE LEGS THAT
RUNS OUT AND DECIDES IT’S GOING
TO KILL PEOPLE.
I WOULD VENTURE A GUESS, BECAUSE
30 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, AS
A DA, I SAW ONE HOMICIDE IN IN T
COUNTY OF A MILLION PEOPLE WITH
A LEGAL GUN.
WE’RE TALKING ILLEGAL GUNS.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT LEGAL
GUN OWNERS GETTING INVOLVED IN
THESE -- IN THESE CONTESTS, IN
THESE SHOOTING CONTESTS.
I’M SURE THE GUY WHO SHOT AND
KILLED IN THOSE MASS SHOOTINGS
DIDN’T HAVE A LEGAL GUN.
THAT’S OUR PROBLEM.
YOU GIVE ME THE U.S. ATTORNEY
STATISTICS FOR CALIFORNIA, IF I
COULD GET MY HANDS ON THEM, AND
I’LL SHOW YOU WHY THEY’VE GOT A
GUN PROBLEM.
>> Harold: POLICE ORGANIZATIONS
SUPPORT AN ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN.
THEY SUPPORT STRICTER GUN
CONTROL.
THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING.
>> Jeanine: A LOT OF US DID IN
’93, AND THEN WE SAW IT DIDN’T
MAKE A DIFFERENCE.