ADAM: WELCOME BACK TO "CLOSE UP." SHE’S AN OUTSIDER IN POLITICS BUT AN INSIDER IN THE WORLD OF WELLNESS AND SPIRITUALITY AND STILL LOOKING TO BUILD A BRIDGE
BETWEEN THOSE TWO WORLDS.
MARIANNE WILLIAMSON IS OUR GUEST THIS MORNING.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
YOU’VE GOT A LOT OF BUILT-IN INTEREST DUE TO YOUR PREVIOUS WORK AS AN AUTHOR, BUT YOU’RE STILL LOOKING FOR THE SPARK ON THE POLITICAL SIDE.
WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO IN NEW HAMPSHIRE IN THE FINAL 100 DAYS?
>> THERE IS PLENTY OF SPARK.
THE SPARK THAT MATTERS IS THE SPARK INSIDE PEOPLE’S MINDS.
PEOPLE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY ARE AWARE SOMETHING NEEDS TO SHIFT RADICALLY.
WE HAVE LOST OUR MORAL COMPASS IN THIS COUNTRY.
WE NEED A NEW BEGINNING.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WORDS LIKE OUTSIDER TO POLITICS.
IN AMERICA, NOBODY IS AN OUTSIDER.
WE HAVE LANES, SPIRITUALAITY AND POLITICS.
THE SPARK IS THERE.
I AM SPEAKING INTO IT.
IT IS THE SPARK OF SERIOUS REFLECTION THAT WE NEED TO END ONE CHAPTER IN AMERICAN HISTORY AND BEGIN.
A NEW.
ONE WE NEED A SEASON OF MORAL REPAIR.
WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE VULNERABILITIES OF MILLIONS OF AMERICAN CHILDREN.
WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE FACT WE MUST TAKE RADICAL ACTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE REVERSAL WHICH IS WHY I WANT A WORLD WAR II LEVEL OF MOBILIZATION.
OUR NATIONAL SECURITY AGENDA IS BASED ON ENDLESS PREPARATION FOR WAR.
WE ALSO NEED TO WAGE FOR PEACE.
THAT IS WHY I WANT THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF PEACE.
THE UNITED STATES WILL NOT HAVE A FUTURE WE WANT IF WE ARE NOT WILLING TO CLEAN UP THE PAST.
IT IS TIME TO TAKE SERIOUS REPARATIVE ACTION FOR THE DESCENDENTS OF SLAVES.
THERE IS PLENTY OF SPARK IN THIS CAMPAIGN.
I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY CAMPAIGN DOING THE RADICAL TRUTH TELLING NECESSARY TO DEFEAT RADICAL, OUTRAGEOUS LIES ON THE OTHER SIDE.
ADAM: YOU MENTIONED THESE OUTRAGEOUS LIES.
YOU CONTEND IT WAS A SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST YOUR CREDIBILITY.
HOW DO YOU THINK THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE NORMAL COURSE OF THE HYPERVIGILANCE THE PRESS HAS SOMETIMES WHEN IT COMES TO CANDIDATES?
>> HYPERVIGILANCE IS IMPORTANT.
HEALTHY SKEPTICISM IS IMPORTANT.
YOU HAVE THAT.
YOUR JOB IS TO KICK THE TIRES OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES.
BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN YOU LOWER YOURSELF TO THE KINDS OF SMEARS.
PEOPLE CALL ME ANTI-MEDICINE, ANTI-SCIENCE, CRAZY, DANGEROUS.
YOU COULD HARDLY LOOK IN THE NEWSPAPER OR ON THE INTERNET OR ON TELEVISION THAT SOMEBODY WAS NOT OUT THERE GIVING THE TALKING POINTS OF THIS INTENTIONAL SMEAR CAMPAIGN WHICH WAS IN DIRECT
RESPONSE TO THE FACT I HAVE BROKEN THROUGH AFTER THE SECOND DEBATE.
I THINK THE DEMOCRATS, WE ALL WANT VERY MUCH TO NOMINATE SOMEONE WHO WILL DEFEAT DONALD TRUMP IN 2020.
BUT WE HAVE A D.N.C., I AM AFRAID TO SAY, THEY PUT THEIR FINGER ON THE SCALE LAST TIME.
IT DID NOT WORK OUT FOR US.
THEY ARE PUTTING THEIR FINGER ON THE SCALE THIS TIME.
THIS TIME IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ONE PERSON.
IT HAS TO BE FOUR OR FIVE.
ONE OF THEM.
IT IS LIKE THE EQUIVALENT OF THE OLD PARTY BOSSES.
THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR DEMOCRACY.
THIS IS A PRIVATE CORPORATION.
THEY ARE NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY.
THIS REALITY TV SHOW OF THE DEBATES IS ARTIFICIAL, WHO MADE IT IN THE POLLS, IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND ESTABLISHMENT POWER.
THE PROJECTION ONTO SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF IS THAT I AM AN OUTSIDER.
THIS IS AMERICA.
THERE IS NO REAL OUTSIDER.
IN THE CONSTITUTION, IT SAYS TO BE PRESIDENT YOU HAVE TO BE BORN HERE, 35 AND OLDER, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 14 YEARS.
THERE IS NO MENTION OF POLITICAL PARTIES, POLITICAL ELITES.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, NEW HAMPSHIRE PERFECT EXAMPLE, FIRST PRIMARY.
YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL THE TIME YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO ALL OF THE CANDIDATES, TO THINK DEEPLY ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL DECISIONS ANY OF US WILL EVER MAKE.
PEOPLE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE KNOW HOW MUCH POWER YOU HAVE.
THE D.N.C. SHOULD ONLY FACILITATE THAT.
THEY SHOULD NOT DICTATE THAT PROCESS.
THAT IS WHY I AM RUNNING.
I DO NOT NEED THE D.N.C. SAYING I AM PART OF THEIR INCESTUOUS CLUB SO I SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
I’M GRATEFUL FOR OPPORTUNITIES SUCH AS THIS SO THE VOTERS CAN MAKE THE DECISION FOR THEMSELVES.
ADAM: LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN WASHINGTON.
WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY?
>> PEOPLE IN CONGRESS HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY AND RESPONSIBILITY.
I WAS NOT AN ERDOGAN TO CALL FOR IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE -- I WAS NOT AN ERDOGAN TO CALL FOR IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE THE POLITICAL BALANCE.
I DO BELIEVE IT HAS GONE TOO FAR.
I SUPPORT THE INQUIRY.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AS AMERICANS WE HAVE TO REMEMBER A LOT OF THINGS ARE GOING ON, INCLUDING A PRESIDENTIAL RACE, AND NOT LET THE IN.
-- IMPEACHMENT AND COREY ZIKA UP SO MUCH OXYGEN.
ADAM: DO YOU AGREE WITH THE REPUBLICANS SAYING THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM, CONVERSATIONS WITH FOREIGN LEADERS HAPPEN, OR SHOULD WE ACCEPT THIS AS A NEW NORMAL?
>> LET ME TELL YOU THE PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE WHO HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A STATESMAN, WHO WANT TO SUPPORT PRESIDENT TRUMP OVER WHAT SHOULD BE SUPPORT OF THEIR COUNTRY NO MATTER WHAT.
I AM OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WATERGATE.
I REMEMBER IT WAS REPUBLICAN SENATORS WHO DROVE TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO TELL NIXON IS OVER.
I REMEMBER HOWARD BAKER.
I REMEMBER WATERGATE ERA AS A TIME WHEN MEN AND WOMEN PUT THEIR COUNTRY BEFORE THEIR PARTY.
THAT IS A PROBLEM.
OF COURSE, IT IS A PROBLEM FOR A PRESIDENT TO BE ASKING A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO INVESTIGATE ONE OF HIS RIVALS AND MAKE IT VERY CLEAR IN AN ALMOST MAFIA-LIKE WAY THAT IF YOU DO NOT DO IT,
YOU ARE NOT GETTING $450 MILLION IN AID.
OF COURSE, THAT IS A PROBLEM.
ANY INTELLIGENT OBSERVER KNOWS THAT.
ADAM: CALIFORNIA RIGHT NOW, WILDFIRES BURNING, LACK OUT SCROLLING TO TRY TO PREVENT SOME FIRE DANGER.
DO YOU THINK AS CLIMATE CHANGE BECOMES MORE SEVERE, CALIFORNIA WILL NEED TO REVERSE SOME OVERBUILDING AND TRY TO MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF THE AREAS THAT ARE SO FIRE PRONE?
>> I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA, THE PROGRESSIVE NATURE OF THE CITIZENRY AND GOVERNMENT AND THE ADVANCED MINES HAVING TO DO WITH CLIMATE CHANGE REVERSAL AND FOREST
FIRES, WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO IN TERMS OF THAT FORMULA.
I THINK WHAT ALL AMERICANS NEED TO REALIZE IS THE CERTAINTY OF PEOPLE THERE WHO ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF FIGHTING FOREST FIRES, ETC., THAT THIS IS RELATED TO CLIMATE CHANGE.
THAT IS WHAT NEEDS TO GET THROUGH TO US.
WE HAVE 12 YEARS IN WHICH WE MUST TAKE RADICAL ACTION.
AMERICANS DO BIG THINGS.
WORLD WAR II WAS A RADICAL ACTION.
WE KNOW HOW TO DO BIG THINGS.
IF WE DO NOT TAKE SERIOUS ACTION, WORLD WAR II LEVEL MASS MOBILIZATION, TO INVEST IN CLEAN ENERGY, TO DEAL WITH FACTORY FARMS, IF WE DO NOT HAVE THIS KIND OF MOBILIZATION AND TURN
FROM A DIRTY ECONOMY TO A CLEAN ECONOMY, WE COULD HAVE IN THE NEXT 15 TO 20 YEARS A LEVEL OF MASSIVE SOCIAL COLLAPSE UNLIKE ANYTHING WE HAVE SEEN IN THE MODERN ERA.
AMERICANS NEED TO WAKE UP AND GET TO WORK.
ADAM: SOME RURAL COUNTIES IN CALIFORNIA HAVE BEEN WITHOUT POWER FOR DAYS.
IS THAT FAIR, PEOPLE LIVING BY CANDLELIGHT WITH NO HEAT?
>> THE REASON THE POWER IS TURNED OFF IS BECAUSE OF THE SPARKS AND POSSIBILITY FIRE COULD BE IGNITED.
I HAVE TALKED TO FRIENDS I KNOW.
OF COURSE, IT IS NOT EASY.
DO THEY PREFER THAT TO FIRE?
OF COURSE THEY DO.
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