ADULTS
ADULTS FEELING DEPRESSED BUT DID YOU KNOW BURN OUT MIRRORS THE SAME SYMPTOMS? BOTH OF
THESE MENTAL HEALTH DISORDERS
CAUSED DIFFICULTY SLEEPING. YOU
GET ANGRY QUICKER, LESS WORK
EFFICIENCY, LOSS OF INTEREST
EXHAUSTION. SO HOW CAN YOU TELL
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
DEPRESSION AND BURNOUT? JOINING
US THIS MORNING IS LICENSED
MARRIAGE AND FAMILY THERAPIST
KATIE MORTON. I'LL SEE YOU MAY
RECOGNIZE FROM HER POPULAR
MENTAL HEALTH VIDEOS ON
YOUTUBE. GOOD MORNING TO YOU,
KATIE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US. THANKS FOR HAVING
ME. YEAH, I'M SO HAPPY YOU'RE
HERE HAVING THIS IMPORTANT
CONVERSATION. SO LET'S GET
RIGHT TO IT. WHAT'S
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
DEPRESSION AND BURNOUT? HOW CAN
YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE?
THE REAL REASON IT'S REALLY A
REASON FOR THE ANSWER IS IF
WE'RE DEPRESSED, IF ANYBODY'S
EVER SUFFERED FROM DEPRESSION,
WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHY IT'S
HAPPENING. RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE
LIKE A TRIGGER OR SOMETHING
THAT WE CAN ALWAYS CALL TO LIKE
OH IT'S THIS THAT'S GOING ON IN
MY LIFE WITH WITH BURNOUT. WE
KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. IT'S
USUALLY WORK RELATED OR ANY
KIND OF WORK WE'RE DOING IN OUR
LIFE. WE COULD BE BURNT OUT
FROM ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE TO
MANAGE AT HOME ESPECIALLY RIGHT
NOW. CAN YOU SELF DIAGNOSE
YOURSELF? HOW CAN YOU KNOW? I
MEAN CAN YOU TELL WHETHER
YOU'RE BURNT OUT OR DEPRESSED?
I THINK YOU CAN TELL IF YOU'RE
BURNED OUT. I MEAN THE REAL WAY
THAT BURNOUT OCCURS OR WHY IT
HAPPENS IS IF THE REWARD FOR
WHAT WE'RE DOING ISN'T AT LEAST
COMMENSURATE WITH ALL
THE EFFORT WE PUT IN. I THINK A
LOT OF US COULD EASILY IDENTIFY
A FEW PLACES IN OUR LIFE WHERE
THAT'S HAPPENING WHEN IT COMES
TO DEPRESSION I WOULD ENCOURAGE
EVERYONE TO SEE A MENTAL HEALTH
PROFESSIONAL TO GET PROPERLY
DIAGNOSED BECAUSE THERE ARE
CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF TIMES THAT
HAS TO OCCUR AND THERE CERTAIN
SYMPTOMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO
LOOK FOR AND MAKE SURE. AND
THEN THERE'S TREATMENTS. THERE
ARE ANTIDEPRESSANTS, THERAPY
AND TALK THERAPY. AND I WOULD
JUST PREFER YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY
SEE SOMEONE BUT WITH BURNOUT I
REALLY THINK WE CAN WERE
THE ONES THAT KNOW HOW WE FEEL,
YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE THE ONES
THAT ARE IN OUR BRAIN EVERY DAY
WE CAN FEEL THE IRRITABILITY,
THE AGITATION AND THE DREADING
ARE THE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO
WE KNOW BEST. CAN YOU SAY THERE
ARE FIVE STAGES OF BURNOUT? CAN
YOU WALK US THROUGH THEM? YEAH.
THE FIRST. I MEAN IT'S JUST
KIND STAGES OF DOING ANYTHING.
THE FIRST IS REALLY LIKE A
HONEYMOON PHASE. RIGHT.
SOMETHING IS NEW AND WE'RE
EXCITED ABOUT IT. LET'S SAY
WE'VE GOT A NEW JOB OR WE'RE
LEARNING A NEW TASK. WE CAN GET
REALLY, REALLY AMPED UP ABOUT
IT. BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO
INTO KIND OF LIKE THE FIRST
STAGES OF STRESS AFTER WE'VE
THE LIKE THE NEWNESS HAS WORN
OFF. THEN WE HAVE TO DO THIS
THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER. I
COULD EVEN APPLY IT TO CREATING
YOUTUBE VIDEOS BACK IN THE DAY
IT WAS BRAND NEW. I WAS SO
EXCITED. AND THEN YOU REALIZE
HOW MUCH WORK GOES INTO IT. AND
AFTER THAT WE WE FIND OURSELVES
INTO MORE OF THE CHRONIC STRESS
WHEN STRESS IS HAPPENING FOR
US. YOU KNOW, OVER AND OVER AND
WE'RE IT'S AFFECTING OUR LIFE.
THEN OR FIRST ONSET OF STRESS
SORRY. SO HONEYMOON PHASE ONSET
STRESS THEN CHRONIC STRESS AND
THEN WE LEAD INTO BURNOUT AND
HABITUAL BURNOUT. SO IT'S JUST
BEING AWARE WHEN WE FEEL STRESS
STRESS IS NORMAL. RIGHT. IT CAN
BE REALLY MOTIVATING. IT CAN
GET US GOING. BUT IF THAT
STRESS CONTINUES WITHOUT ANY
BREAK WE COULD BECOME BURNT OUT
AND WE WE KNOW NEUROSCIENCE
WISE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR
BRAIN TO CAUSE IT. IF ANYBODY
DOESN'T KNOW OUR STRESS
RESPONSE IS KIND OF RUN BY OUR
AMYGDALA. I CALL IT A FIRE
ALARM. IT'S THE THING LIKE IF
YOU SEE YOUR TODDLER THROWING A
TANTRUM, YOUR AMYGDALA THEIR
AMYGDALA IS FIRING IT IS
SENDING ALL THE SIGNALS AND
IT'S MEANT TO BE SHORT LIVED.
BUT IF IT BECOMES CHRONIC. IF
WE FEEL STRESSED OUT FOR LONGER
AND LONGER THEN OUR AMYGDALA
BECOMES IN CHARGED IN THOSE
SIGNALS THAT ARE IT'S SENDING.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE ROADS IN
THE PATHS THEY WERE TRAVELING
HAVEN'T BEEN PAVED IN A LONG
TIME. THERE'S NO BRAKE, NO WAY
FOR YOUR BRAIN TO HEAL. AND
IT'S LIKE DRIVING DOWN A REALLY
ROCKY ROAD. AND SO WE CAN FEEL
THAT'S WHERE ALL THE OTHER
SYMPTOMS COME THROUGH. YOU
KNOW, LIKE A DIFFICULTY
SLEEPING, DIFFICULTY
CONCENTRATING CHANGES IN OUR
APPETITE. ALL OF THOSE SYMPTOMS
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM
THE BEGINNING THAT NEAR
DEPRESSION THIS IS SUCH GOOD
INFORMATION. SO IF LEFT
UNTREATED. TALKING ABOUT
BURNOUT, COULD IT LEAD TO
SUICIDAL TENDENCIES EVEN SELF
HARMING BEHAVIORS? YES. IF
BURNOUT IS LEFT UNTREATED CAN
LEAD TO A LOT OF MENTAL
ILLNESSES WHETHER IT IS
ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, SUICIDAL
THOUGHTS WANTING TO INJURE AND
WHEN WE TALK SELF INJURY I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST
LIKE CUTTING OURSELVES WE CAN
SELF INJURE BY USING ALCOHOL OR
DRUGS AS A WAY TO INJURE
OURSELVES. RIGHT. AND WE'RE IN
A LOT OF TIMES TRYING TO NUMB
OUT FROM ALL THAT WE FEEL. SO
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT IF
YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE THOUGHTS
EVEN IF THEY JUST ARE FLEETING
THOUGHTS, PLEASE REACH OUT.
THERE ARE THINGS LIKE
THE CRISIS TEXT LINE SUICIDE
HOTLINES AND ALSO A MENTAL
HEALTH PROFESSIONAL IN YOUR
AREA. SO WHAT BEST WAYS TO
RECOVER FROM BURNED OUT? SHALL
WE BE TAKING MENTAL HEALTH DAYS
OR VACATIONS? JUST SAY LOOK, I
NEED A BREAK. UNDERSTANDABLE.
WE ALL DO. ESPECIALLY WORKING
FROM HOME, RIGHT? IT'S HARD TO
DECIDE LIKE OR PINPOINT WHEN
YOU STOP WORKING AND WHEN YOU
GO INTO YOUR REGULAR LIFE. AND
THE BEST WAY TO COMBAT BURNOUT
IS REALLY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR
BASIC NEEDS. THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
LIKE SHOWERING REGULARLY EATING
HEALTHY AND REGULARLY DRINKING
PLENTY OF WATER. BUT ALSO TO
YOUR POINT TAKING BREAKS. WE
ARE NOT ROBOTS. UNFORTUNATELY
WE CANNOT 24/7. WE REALLY NEED
TO TAKE THOSE BREAKS AND EVEN
IF IT'S A STAYCATION, MAKE SURE
YOU'RE NOT CHECKING YOUR WORK
EMAIL. MAKE SURE THERE AREN'T
THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO DO. TELL
EVERYBODY WHO WOULD POSSIBLY
REACH OUT ABOUT WORK TO NOT
TALK ABOUT IT AND GIVE YOU THAT
TIME OFF. YOU KNOW, IF WE TAKE
A LONG WEEKEND WE WANT TO FEEL
GOOD AFTER THAT LONG WEEKEND.
YOU KNOW, AS SOME PARENTS ARE
WATCHING US AND LISTENING, YOU
KNOW, THEY'VE GOT SEVERAL KIDS
AT HOME. THEY'RE HOMESCHOOLING,
THEY'RE WORKING FROM HOME.
MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE
THE CAPABILITY OF GOING ON A
STAYCATION. ANY OTHER ADVICE
HOW YOU CAN TAKE THAT LITTLE
BREAK? DOES THAT MEAN LIKE, YOU
KNOW, GOING FOR A LITTLE DRIVE
AND GIVING YOURSELF THAT 20
MINUTES OR SOMETHING? ANYTHING
WORKS EVEN IF IT'S A YOU KNOW,
YOU TAKE A LONGER SHOWER THAN
NORMAL SOMETIMES WE JUST NEED
TO FIT IN OUR BREAKS THROUGHOUT
OUR DAY BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE A
LONGER ONE. WHATEVER YOU CAN
SQUEEZE IN TAKE THAT TIME. TAKE
THAT LIKE SELF CARE TIME. WE
TALK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME.
RIGHT. HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN
WE'RE SUFFERING FROM BURNOUT
AND I THINK A LOT OF PARENTS
ARE FEELING IT RIGHT NOW
BECAUSE YOU'RE WEARING, YOU
KNOW, 10 DIFFERENT HATS IN LIFE
.SO TAKE THOSE BREAKS EVEN IF
IT'S FIVE, 10, 20 MINUTES. AND
I PROMISE YOU'LL FEEL THAT I'VE
BEEN THAT KATI MORTON DOT COM
IS YOUR WEB SITE. PEOPLE WANT
TO FIND YOU ON YOUTUBE. WHAT IS
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MARTIN. JUST KATY MORTON. OK,
KATIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR