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>>> GOOD
>>> GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY AND WELCOME TO NEW DAY.
STARTING THE DAY OFF IS A
FIERCELY HONEST WOMAN WHO HAS
SPENT MUCH OF HER LIFE IN THE
SPOT LIFE AS AN ARTIST AND
AUTHOR THE LATEST CHAPTERS IN
HER REMARKABLE LIFE COMING
FORWARD WITH HER PERSONAL STORY
AND HELPING TO IGNITE THE ME
TOO MOVEMENT AND ENCOURAGE
OTHER WOMEN, HER DOCUMENTARY
SERIES IS CALLED CITIZEN ROSE
AND IT IS A MUST WATCH AND A
RECENTLY PUBLISHED MEMOIR IS
ENTITLED -- PLEASE WELCOME ROSE
McGOWAN.
McGOWAN.
McGOWAN. >> IT IS SO NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> YOU LOOK SO MUCH LIKE HER I
FEEL LIKE I KNOW YOU ALREADY.
>> I FEEL LIKE MY AUNT WHO IS
IN SEATTLE WHERE I USED TO LIVE
ON CAPITOL HILL.
I KNOW EVERYBODY THAT MEETS ME
THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE
TALKING TO ME SO PRETEND I AM
HER.
HER.
HER. >>
HER. >> I
HER. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT
IS --?
IS --?
IS --? >>
IS --? >> SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS.
>> WE HAVE SEEN HER IN SCREAM
AND CHARMED AND SO MANY THINGS
BUT YOU KIND OF STARBURST INTO
A VARIETY OF THINGS YOU ARE
DOING NOW AND EXPRESSING
YOURSELF IN SO MANY WAYS.
LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE
DOING NOW.
DOING NOW. >> I REALLY APPRECIATE HAVING
THIS TYPE OF CONVERSATION.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON
THE MORE SORDID ASPECTS OF
THINGS AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A LOT OF
ART PROJECTS BEHIND THE SCENES
BUT I DIDN'T COME OUT WITH THEM
BECAUSE I AM NOT KNOCKING
LINDSAY LOHAN BUT WHEN SHE CAME
OUT WITH AN ALBUM EVERYTHING
WAS MADE FUN OF.
>> WHO DOES SHE THINK SHE IS
KIND OF THING?
>> RIGHT YOU ARE AN ACTRESS
JUST WEAR A SHORT SKIRT.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A VERY ACTIVE
MIND AND MY FATHER AND AUNT ARE
ARTISTS AND MY PRIMARILY --
FAMILY IS PRIMARILY MADE UP OF
ARTISTS.
ARTISTS.
ARTISTS. >> THAT IS PRETTY COOL.
>> IT IS.
>> IT IS.
>> IT IS. FOR FIVE YEARS YOU JUST DON'T
KNOW HOW LIFE IS GOING TO TURN
OUT.
OUT.
OUT. I
OUT. I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS
SONIC VISUAL PROJECT CALLED
PLANET 9 AND I CAME UP WITH IT
WHEN I WAS 10.
I HAD A LOT OF CULTURE SHOCK
WHEN I CAME TO AMERICA SO AT
SCHOOL I INVENTED THIS PLANET
THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE
CEILING AND CIRCLED ME.
FOUR YEARS AGO THEY FOUND
PLANET 9 AND I STARTED THINKING
ABOUT IT AND I THOUGHT, WHAT
SOUNDWAVES WHAT I WANT TO HEAR?
SO I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A
MASSIVE PROJECT I WILL BE
PREMIERING --.
PREMIERING --. >> WE ARE FOLLOWING.
>> ALL OF THESE VISUALS WRAPPED
AROUND YOU WHILE YOU ARE LAYING
ON THE GROUND LAYS OUT PERSON
IN THE GROUND MOVES SO IT IS AN
INTEGRATIVE WHOLE BODY AND
WHOLE MIND EXPERIENCE.
THERE IS DEFINITELY #METOO BUT
MY MOVEMENT IS SOMETHING I
TRADEMARKED AS ROSES ARMY AND
IT IS FOOD FOR THOUGHT, I
WANTED TO SEE IF PEOPLE COULD
BE SMARTER AND BETTER AND DO IT
THROUGH ART.
THROUGH ART. >> WHAT IS INTERESTING TO ME IS
THAT AT FIRST I THOUGHT DOES
THAT MEAN WE ARE ALL THINKING
THE SAME THING AND IT IS THE
OPPOSITE OF THAT FOR ROSE ARMY.
LET'S GO BACK . YOU SAID YOU
SPEAK ITALIAN AND YOU WERE BORN
IN ITALY AND NOW YOU SPEAK
AMERICAN AND CULT, WHY DO YOU
SAY THAT?
SAY THAT?
SAY THAT? >> MY FIRST LANGUAGE I WAS
SPOKEN TO IN ENGLISH BUT I
CERTAINLY DIDN'T SPEAK IT.
EVERYONE THAT WAS NOT IN THE
CULT OR CULT SYSTEM --
>> --
>> --
>> -- >>
>> -- >> RIGHT SO I GREW UP IN ITALY
--
--
-- >>
-- >> AS
-- >> AS WE ALL DO.
>> YOU MIGHT MORE THAN YOU KNOW.
>> BE SPEAKING CULT THEN TURNS
OUT TO BE A LINE NOT ONLY INTO
YOUR HOLLYWOOD EXPERIENCE BUT A
LOT OF OUR EXPERIENCES WHETHER
WE GRASP THAT OR NOT.
CAN YOU DELVE INTO THAT A BIT?
>> THAT IS SUCH A GOOD POINT
AND THE THING IS A LOT OF
PEOPLE SAY IT IS WEIRD HOW YOU
GREW UP AND I THINK IT IS WEIRD
HOW YOU LIVE, I SAW SUCH A
CLEAR LINE LIKE I GOT SUCH AN
INTENSE VERSION THAT I
UNDERSTOOD THE TRIGGER WORDS
AND HOW THEY USED TRIGGER WORDS
.
.
. >>
. >> TO
. >> TO CONTROL AND MANIPULATE
PEOPLE?
PEOPLE?
PEOPLE? >> AND WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT
YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR
GOVERNMENT AND RELIGION AND
REALLY YOURSELF.
REALLY YOURSELF. MY BOOK BRAVE TALKS ABOUT THIS
KIND OF STUFF AND IT IS ABOUT
PEOPLE COMING AT ME LIKE I WAS
FORMED BY THEM BUT I WASN'T.
I HAVE BEEN AN MORE INTENSE
VERSION OF ME SO WHEN I SAY I
AM EVERYBODY I CAN'T BE THAT
UNIQUE SO IF CRAZY STUFF IS
HAPPENING TO ME AND MUST BE
HAPPENING TO OTHER PEOPLE BUT
IT IS ALSO LIKE IF YOUR LIFE
WAS A PIECE OF FABRIC GO
THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE
MESSAGES ABOUT YOURSELF AND HOW
YOU FEEL.
YOU FEEL.
YOU FEEL. WHAT ARE THE ORGANIC THREADS
THAT ARE YOUR PERSONALITY AND
YOUR BELIEF SYSTEMS?
WHAT ARE THE SYNTHETIC ONES
THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN SINCE YOU
WERE A SMALL CHILD WE CAN KIND
OF I THINK OF IT AS FEELING FOR
MEN THE MOST.
>> IT WOULD BE BETTER.
>> THERE IS FREEDOM FOR BOTH
GENDERS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND
THEY ARE BOTH STUCK, LET'S JUST
TAKE A TRADITIONAL THING IF YOU
ARE ALLOWED AS A MAN TO HAVE A
EMOTION AT A FOOTBALL GAME, YOU
ARE SOCIETALLY CONDITIONED.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHEN A
CALL TRIGGERS YOU TO FEEL
SOMETHING?
SOMETHING? I JUST THE PATTERNS I GUESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES A
STRANGE.
STRANGE.
STRANGE. >> IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU STRANGE
AND I READ THE WHOLE BOOK
YESTERDAY AND I WANTED TO SIT
DOWN AND BE UNINTERRUPTED.
THE REASON I KNEW IT RESONATED
WAS BECAUSE I FELT THINGS
PHYSICALLY READING IT.
I REMEMBERED THINGS AND FELT
THINGS PHYSICALLY AND WHEN THE
HISTORY OF THIS TIME IS WRITTEN
WE WILL REMEMBER YOU AS A
LEADER IN THE #METOO MOVEMENT.
WE WILL REMEMBER THE PERSON YOU
CALLED A MONSTER AND I WILL
LEAVE IT AT THAT . A PERSON WHO
HAS STILL NOT GOTTEN ALL THAT
HE DESERVES AND NEEDS TO BE IN
A COURTROOM.
A COURTROOM. GOSH I HAD ALL OF THESE
FEELINGS ABOUT WANTING TO COME
BACK AND GET YOU.
I FELT LIKE I WAS SEEING THIS
PERSON SCREAMING AND NO ONE
HEARD YOU AND THE SOUND WAS
CUBED AND THEY WERE STILL
TRYING TO GET ALL OF THOSE
THINGS HEARD.
THINGS HEARD. WHERE DO YOU THINK WE ARE IN
THE PROCESS OF LETTING WOMEN BE
FULLY HUMAN?
FULLY HUMAN? >> I WANT MEN TO BE FULLY HUMAN
THAT IS THE KEY.
IF WE CAN GET TO THE MEN FIRST,
AND IT IS A HARD PROCESS BY THE
WAY AND I HONOR YOU FOR GOING
THROUGH THOSE FEELINGS.
MY BOOK IS SOMEWHAT HARROWING
THAT IT IS ALSO INSPIRATIONAL.
IT IS TO GET US OUT OF THE
CONSTRUCTS AND TO CONFRONT
SOMETIMES THINGS THAT SUCK.
SOMETIMES THINGS ARE UGLY BUT I
KNOW THEY CAN BE BETTER AND I
KNOW WE HAVE IT IN US TO BE
BETTER THAN THEY TELL US WE CAN
BE.
BE.
BE. FOR
BE. FOR ME I WAS.
>> I GOT THAT FROM THE BOOK.
I GOT YOU GOING FROM KIND OF
THIS KID WHO HAD ALL OF THESE
EXPERIENCES AS SOMEONE IN
HOLLYWOOD NOT WANTING TO BE A
PLASTIC THING AND TRYING TO GET
OUT OF THAT BUT THEN RISING
ABOVE TO AN ALTITUDE WHERE YOU
SAW NOT ONLY YOURSELF BUT THE
SYSTEMS AND PATTERNS.
I THINK THERE IS A GREAT
INVITATION IN THIS BOOK TO
WITNESS THAT IN YOUR OWN LIFE.
IT IS ALSO A PLACE OF TRUTH.
SO THIS IS A DOCK YOU SERIES
THAT E IS DOING WITH YOU.
>> IT IS STRANGE I HAD WRITTEN
A TIMELINE FOR HOW I WANTED
THIS CONTROLLED TO ROLL OUT.
FOUR YEARS AGO I THOUGHT IT
WOULD BE EAT.
>> NONE OF THE STUFF THAT
HAPPENED YET BUT I KNEW IT WAS
COMING.
COMING.
COMING. I
COMING. I WAS BRINGING A SYSTEM DOWN
THAT DOESN'T BENEFIT PEOPLE.
PEOPLE THINK HOLLYWOOD IS ALL
OF THOSE THINGS YOU THINK IT IS
AND YOU ARE CORRECT YOU ARE
RIGHT NOT WRONG.
BUT IT GOES INTO YOUR BRAIN AND
YOUR MIND AND HOWEVER THEY
CHARACTERIZE YOU.
CHARACTERIZE YOU. I WAS WATCHING GONE WITH THE
WIND THE OTHER DAY WITH THE
SOUND OFF AND ON THE SURFACE IT
IS A BEAUTIFUL TRAFFIC --
TRAGIC FILM, SUSAN ROSE AND THE
MAN JUMPING AROUND AND IF YOU
THINK ABOUT THE STEREOTYPES AND
THE MAN FROM THE NORTH WHO IS
HERE TO STEAL FROM THE
HONORABLE SOUTH MOVIES REALLY
DO EFFECT THING SO MY BOOK IS A
LOT ABOUT ON WIRING AND ON
LEARNING USING STORIES IN MY
OWN LIFE BUT CITIZEN ROSE I
WANTED TO SHOW, I JUST WANTED
TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT IT IS LIKE
BEHIND THE SCENES AND WHAT IT
IS LIKE TO DO THIS.
>> LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
>> --
>> --
>> -- >>
>> -- >> I AM ARRIVING AND LEAVING. I
REMEMBER RUNNING AND ONE OF HIS
ASSISTANTS WHO IS NOW SPEAKING
WAS -- AND SHE LOOKED AT ME AND
GAVE ME THAT LOOK.
SHE SAW ME.
AND SHE WROTE ME AND SAID I'M
SORRY --.
SORRY --.
SORRY --. I WISH I WAS -- IT MADE ME HARD.
IT MADE ME WORSE AS A PERSON.
>> YOU ARE AN INCREDIBLY BRAVE
SOUL, YOU HAVE PERSEVERED AND
YOU HAVE FOUGHT TO BE HERE.
YOU ARE A BRAVE TEACHER WORKING
IN THE FACE OF ADVERSITY THAT
PEOPLE CANNOT EVEN COMPREHEND
WHAT IT IS LIKE.
FOR 20 YEARS AND MAYBE LONGER
SAID YOU WERE A CHILD.
>> I WAS OPEN, I WAS THE
PERFECT PREY.
PERFECT PREY. THEY RECOGNIZE THOSE THAT WERE
HURT AND LIKE A SMALL CRACK
THAT THEY RECOGNIZED WE ALL OF
US WE HAD SOMETHING, EVIL
SPIRITS.
SPIRITS.
SPIRITS. >> TELL US WHAT WAS HAPPENING?
>> THAT IS OZZIE ARGENTO WHO
THROUGH THIS HAS BECOME MY
SISTER, ONE OF MY ROCKS AND
VICE VERSA.
VICE VERSA. I HELPED HER COME OUT IN A NEW
YORKER STORY AND SHE HAD TO
DECIDE, I HAVE HAD A LOT LONGER
TO SET UP THESE ARTICLES AND
SHE HAD A MUCH SHORTER
TIMEFRAME AND THIS WAS ME
INTERVIEWING HER FOR CITIZEN
ROSE JUST SPENDING TIME
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. THE MONSTER ASSAULTED HER TWICE
AND SET UP LIKE SOMEONE SAYING
COME TO THIS PARTY SO SHE OPENS
THE DOOR AND THERE IS THIS
PERSON.
PERSON.
PERSON. >> THIS HAPPENED OVER AND OVER
WITH PEOPLE ALL AROUND KNOWING?
>> PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.
>> EVERYBODY KNOWING?
>> HOLLYWOOD IDOLIZED HIM.
HE WAS THOUGHT OF MANY TIMES AT
THE OSCARS AS GOD.
>> THAT IS SO TRUE.
>> HE IS IN A DEAD HEAT WITH
GOD.
GOD.
GOD. AS
GOD. AS MUCH AS THEY HATED HIM HE
WAS THE LEADER BUT HE WAS
PROTECTED BY THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY. THE LAWYERS THAT WENT
AFTER ME ON HIS BEHALF WERE
DEEPLY INTERTWINED.
DEEPLY INTERTWINED. >> WE SORT OF SEE THE WORLD
BEHIND THE SCENES BEHIND WHAT
WE MAY HAVE BELIEVED ABOUT
VARIOUS THINGS WHICH IS A
BEAUTIFUL THING IN A SERIES AND
IN YOUR BOOK, YOU ARE BELIEVED
AND --
AND --
AND -- >>
AND -- >> I WANTED TO SEE IF I COULD
GET IT WHERE OTHERS COULD BE
HEARD TOO.
HEARD TOO. CAN I IMAGINE FOR EVERYONE ELSE?
I HAD 50-50 RESPONSES ON SOCIAL
MEDIA AND MOST OF THEM WERE
FROM MEN AND BOYS AND THEY GET
HURT TOO.
HURT TOO.
HURT TOO. AND THEY GET HURT A LOT.
HOLLYWOOD WILL NEVER SELF
POLICE.
POLICE.
POLICE. IT WILL NEVER FIX ITSELF.
>> NOTHING EVER DOES.
>> YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BUT THERE
ALSO HAVE TO BE UNIONS THERE
PROTO--- TO PROTECT.
THERE ARE MANY LEVELS OF
ASSOCIATION AND I SURVIVED IT.
VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT WERE SOLD
AS SEX SYMBOLS SURVIVED LONG.
>> YOU HAVE TOLD THE TRUTH AND
I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR
THAT.
THAT.
THAT. THAT IS A WONDERFUL PLACE TO
BE.
BE.
BE. IT
BE. IT IS
BE. IT IS PAINFUL.
>> IT IS MY ONLY WEAPON.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT.
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