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>>> ONE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES
OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR
IS THE ADVISE THE PRESIDENT
ABOUT THE INTRICACIES AND RISKS
OF FOREIGN POLICY.
WELL, THAT’S HOW TO WORKS IN
MOST ADMINISTRATIONS, ANYWAY.
BUT IN THE CASE OF A TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION JOHN BOLTON’S JOB
AS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR AT
LEAST IN TRUMP’S MIND WAS THE
SAME AS JUST ABOUT ANYONE ELSE
IN TRUMP’S CIRCLE EXPOSE TODAY
INUKRAINE SCANDAL.
INUKRAINE SCANDAL. REPORT TO RUDOLF GIULIANI, THE
PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL LAWYER IN
ORDER TO PRESSURE UKRAINE TO DIG
UP DIRT ON DEMOCRATS.
BOLTON AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER
IN THE SHOW HAD SERIAL CONCERNS
WITH THE CAMPAIGN RUN BY
GIULIANI.
GIULIANI. HE REPORTED SAID, QUOTE,
GIULIANI IS A HAND GRENADE WHO’S
GOING TO BLOW EVERYBODY UP.
AND THEN ACCORDING TO HIS AID
FIONA HILL INSTRUCTED HAD ERTO
IDENTIFY THE CHIEF OFFICER FOR
THE SECURITY COUNSEL ABOUT WHAT
GIULIANI WAS DOING.
OUR NEXT GUEST WOULD KNOW A
THING OR TWO ABOUT NATIONAL
SECURITY COUNCIL BUZZ SHE USED
TO HAVE BOLTON’S JOB.
SHE HAS A NEW MEMOIR OUT
ENTITLED "TOUGH LOVE MY STORY OF
THE THINGS WORTH FIGHTING FOR."
AND AMBASSADOR RICE, IT’S SO
GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR WE
KNOW WHEN A PRESIDENT MAKES A
CALL TO A FOREIGN LEADER, THERE
ARE LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE ON
THE CALL.
THE CALL. TYPICALLY WOULD THE NATIONAL
SECURITY ADVISOR BE ONE OF THOSE
PEOPLE?
PEOPLE? >> TYPICALLY YES, AND ACTUALLY,
JOY, THERE ARE NOT LOTS AND
LOTS.
LOTS. THERE’S A HANDFUL OF NATIONAL
SECURITY COUNCIL STAFFERS.
USUALLY THE NATIONAL SECURITY
ADVISOR AND/OR THE DEPUTY
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR,
SOMEBODY LIKE FIONA HILL WHO’S
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OFFICE THAT
WAS PLACING THE CALL AND ONE OR
TWO OF HER STAFFERS AND A COUPLE
OR THREE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOTE
TAKING IN THE SITUATION ROOM.
>> AND WHO THEN WOULD HAVE
CUSTODY ON THE TRANSCRIPT OF
SUCH A CALL?
AND I ASK YOU THAT BECAUSE WE
NOW KNOW FROM THE WHISTLE-BLOWER
THAT THIS PARTICULAR CALL TO THE
PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE, THE
TRANSCRIPT OF IT WOUND UP IN
THIS SUPER SECRET CLASSIFIED
SYSTEM WHERE NORMALLY HIGHLY
CLASSIFIED MATERIAL GOES BUT
THIS TRANSCRIPT WENT THERE.
WHO WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF
PUTTING STUFF IN THAT DATABASE,
IN THAT SERVER?
>> WELL, NORMALLY A PRESIDENTIAL
CALL EVEN ONE THAT IS CLASSIFIED
UP TO THE TOP SECRET LEVEL WOULD
BE STORED IN THE NORMAL NATIONAL
SECURITY COUNCIL SYSTEM THAT
CLEARED STAFFERS WHO HAVE A NEED
TO KNOW WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO.
TO MOVE IT AS APPARENTLY THE
CASE IN THIS INSTANCE TO A
HIGHLY CLASSIFIED SUPER SECRET
SERVER WHICH FRANKLY IS USED FOR
THINGS WE DON’T TALK ABOUT ON
TELEVISION IS VERY UNUSUAL AND
ARGUABLY INAPPROPRIATE.
ARGUABLY INAPPROPRIATE. THE ONLY RATIONAL RESPONSIBLE
REASON FOR MOVING A TRANSCRIPT
TO THAT SYSTEM WOULD BE IF IN
FACT ITS CONTENT WERE CLASSIFIED
WHICH CLEARLY WASN’T THE CASE IN
THIS INSTANCE AND RARELY EVER IS
THE CASE.
THE CASE. SO THIS TRANSCRIPT WAS MOVED FOR
SOME OTHER REASON AND IT APPEARS
TO BE TO HIDE IT FROM SCRUTINY.
>> AND WE’RE BEING VERY GENEROUS
AND CALLING IT A TRANSCRIPT.
WE KNOW IT WAS A TRANSCRIPT SORT
OF SUMMARY PUT OUT BY THE WHITE
HOUSE BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT
WAS EXCULPATORY WEIRDLY ENOUGH.
AND YOU WRITE IN YOUR BOOK ABOUT
SETTING UP CALLS BETWEEN
PRESIDENT OBAMA AND VLADIMIR
PUTIN.
PUTIN. FROM YOUR STANDPOINT AS A FORMER
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR, WHAT
MIGHT THE OTHER PARTY HAVE TAPED
THAT CALL OR MIGHT THE RUSSIANS
WHO WE KNOW ARE IN CONFLICT WITH
UKRAINE AND OCCUPYING PART OF
UKRAINE, IS THERE A CHANCE THAT
THERE’S A REAL TRANSCRIPT OF
THAT CALL, A FULL TRANSCRIPT
THAT EITHER THE UKRAINIANS HAVE
OR THE RUSSIANS HAVE?
>> WELL, IT’S POSSIBLE CERTAINLY
THAT THE UKRAINIANS HAVE IT.
IT’S POSSIBLE CERTAINLY THERE’S
A MORE FULL VER BAITEN
TRANSCRIPT ON THE U.S. SIDE.
I WOULD HOPE THAT IT RUSSIANS
WOULDN’T HAVE IT.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT’S A GOOD
HOPE FOR EVERYONE.
BUT I WANT TO JUST ASK YOU
QUICKLY BEFORE I TURN BECAUSE I
WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT TURKEY AS
WELL.
WELL. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF DONALD
TRUMP’S ATTITUDE TOWARD THE
KREMLIN, TOWARD VLADIMIR PUTIN?
IT SEEMS TO BE VERY SOLICITOUS.
HE SEEMS TO HAVE LOTS OF SECRET
PHONE CALLS WITH HIM THAT AREN’T
DETAILED EVEN TO HIS NATIONAL
SECURITY STAFF WE FIND OUT LATER
SOMETIMES FROM THE RUSSIANS.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HIS ATTITUDE
TOWARDS RUSSIA?
TOWARDS RUSSIA? >> DONALD TRUMP’S ATTITUDE
TOWARDS RUSSIA?
TOWARDS RUSSIA? >> YEAH, OR HIS RELATIONSHIP
WITH THEM.
WITH THEM. >> IT’S BIZARRE TO SAY THE
LEAST.
LEAST. EVERYTHING HE SEEMS TO BE DOING
IS GEARED TO BENEFIT THE
RUSSIANS.
RUSSIANS. WHETHER IT’S DENYING UKRAINE
$400 MILLION IN BADLY NEEDED
MILITARY ASSISTANCE WHEN THE
RUSSIAN
RUSSIAN RUSSIANS ARE ON THEIR TERRITORY
AND DENYING THE NEW LEADER WHITE
HOUSE MEETINGS TO BENEFIT HIS
OWN POLITICAL INTERESTS THAT
BENEFITS DONALD TRUMP AND THAT
BENEFITS VLADIMIR PUTIN.
IN SYRIA WE’RE SEEING THIS IN
INIMPULSIVE, YOU KNOW,
INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS DECISION TO
PULL OUR FORCES OUT AND AGAIN
THAT BENEFITS IN THIS CASE ISIS,
TURKEY AND OF COURSE VLADIMIR
PUTIN.
PUTIN. AND WE COULD GO THROUGH A WHOLE
RANGE OF POLICY CHOICES THAT THE
PRESIDENT HAS MADE FROM
DENIGRATING OUR ALLIES IN NATO
TO TRASHING OUR INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY WHEN, YOU KNOW,
STANDING NEXT TO PUTIN IN
HELSINKI.
HELSINKI. ALL OF THESE THINGS MAKE VERY,
VERY LITTLE SENSE FOR ANY NORMAL
AND PATRIOTIC AMERICAN
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. >> DO YOU THINK THAT DONALD
TRUMP IS COMPROMISED BY VLADIMIR
PUTIN?
PUTIN? >> YOU KNOW WHAT, JOY, I CAN’T
POINT TO EVIDENCE THAT WOULD
VALIDATE THAT ARGUMENT.
I CAN ONLY SAY IT’S VERY
STRANGE, IT DOESN’T ADD UP, AND
I’M SEARCHING FOR AS WE SHOULD
ALL SHOULD BE AS AMERICANS A
PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION FOR
TRUMP’S DEEP AFFINITY FOR
VLADIMIR PUTIN TO THE
DEVELOPMENT OF OUR NATIONAL
INTERESTS.
INTERESTS. >> YOU WRITE IN YOUR BOOK ABOUT
THE RUSSIAN ATTITUDE TOWARD
UKRAINE AND WHY IT IS SO TOXIC,
THE FACTATORY MORE CONCERNED
THAT UKRAINE WOULD TILT TOWARDS
THE EUROPEAN UNION, WOULD TILT
TOWARDS NATO AND TILT AWAY FROM
THEM.
THEM. AND THAT IS SORT OF THE CRUX OF
THEIR PROBLEM, WELL, WITH
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE. DOES THE FACT THAT TRUMP, ONE OF
HIS FAVORS THAT HE WANTED FROM
THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE WAS TO
PROVE THAT RUSSIA WAS
ESSENTIALLY INNOCENT, A
CONSPIRACY THEORY THEY DIDN’T DO
IT IN 2016, WHAT DOES THAT SAY
TO YOU?
TO YOU? DOES IT SAY TO YOU AGAIN DONALD
TRUMP WAS ATTEMPTING TO
COMPROMISE U.S. NATIONAL
SECURITY AND TO CORRUPT ANOTHER
COUNTRY TO BENEFIT PUTIN?
>> WELL, WHAT IT DOES SAY, JOY,
IS THAT HE WAS PREPARED TO
SACRIFICE THE U.S. NATIONAL
SECURITY AND OUR NATIONAL
INTERESTS WHICH IS IN BOLSTERING
UKRAINE AGAINST RUSSIAN
AGGRESSION IN ORDER TO EXTORT
OUT OF THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT
ASSISTANCE TO ATTACK HIS
POLITICAL ADVERSARY.
POLITICAL ADVERSARY. FALSE BOGUS ASSISTANCE.
THAT IS PROBLEMATIC.
IT’S NOT ALTOGETHER CLEAR WHY HE
WOULD WANT TO DO THAT EXCEPT FOR
PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.
OTHER THING HE DID ON THAT PHONE
CALL WHEREBY THE WAY HE DID
NOTHING TO ADVANCE U.S. FOREIGN
POLICY WAS TRY TO ILLICIT ONCE
AGAIN FALSE INFORMATION FROM THE
UKRAINIANS TO SUGGEST IT WAS
UKRAINE AND THE DEMOCRATS THAT
INTERFERED IN THE 2016 ELECTION
RATHER THAN RUSSIA ON BEHALF OF
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. AGAIN, SANITIZES RUSSIA, TARS
HIS POLITICAL ADVERSARIES WITH A
COMPLETE FALSEHOOD THAT HAS BEEN
REPEATEDLY REPUDIATED PIE OUR