KATTY KAY AND COLUMNIST FOR THE WASHINGTON JOSEPH IGNAY JOYCE
US, AS WELL. SO WE MAY GET AN EARLY INCATION
OF WHETHER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL HOLD PUTIN ACCOUNTABLE
ACCOUNTABLE FOR MEDDLING IN THE U.S. ELECTION.
HE QUICKLY TURNED THE TABLES AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA AND THE
MEDIA AND AMERICA'S OWN INTELLIGENCE.
>> WELL, I THINK IT WAS RUSSIA AND I THINK IT COULD HAVE BEEN
OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT OF
PEOPLE INTERFERED. >> YOU'VE SEEN --
>> I SAID IT VERY SIMPLY. I THINK IT COULD VERY WELL HAVE
BEEN RUSSIA, BUT I THINK IT COULD WELL HAVE BEEN OTHER
COUNTRIES AND I WON'T BE SPECIFIC, BUT I THINK A LOT OF
PEOPLE INTERFERE. I THINK IT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR
MANY, MANY YEARS. THE THING I HAVE TO MENTION IS
THAT BARACK OBAMA, WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS
IN TERMS OF IF IT WERE RUSSIA, FOUND OUT ABOUT IT IN AUGUST.
THE ELECTION WAS IN NOVEMBER. THAT'S A LOT OF TIME.
HE DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. WHY DID HE DO NOTHING ABOUT IT?
HE WAS TOLD IT WAS RUSSIA BY THE CIA, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
IT WAS WELL REPORTED. AND HE DID NOTHING ABOUT IT.
THEY SAY HE CHOKED. WELL, I DON'T THINK HE CHOKED.
I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS HE THOUGHT HEADQUARTER HAD
HEADQUARTER WAS GOING TO WIN THE ELECTION AND HE SAID, LET'S NOT
DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. HAD HE THOUGHT THE OTHER WAY, HE
WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
SO HE WAS TOLD IN EITHER AUGUST BY PRESUMABLY THE CIA THAT
RUSSIA WAS TRYING TO GET INVOLVED OR MEDDLING.
PRETTY STRONGLY WITH THE ELECTION.
HE DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. THE REASON IS, HE THOUGHT
HILLARY WAS GOING TO WIN. AND IF HE THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO
WIN, HE WOULD HAVE DONE PLENTY ABOUT IT.
SO THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION IS WHY DID HE DO NOTHING FROM
AUGUST ALL THE WAY TO NOVEMBER 8th?
WHY DID HE DO NOTHING? HIS PEOPLE SAID HE CHOKED.
I DON'T THINK HE CHOKED. >> SO THE FOLLOW-UP IS FOR YOU
ON THAT, MR. PRESIDENT. YOUR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES HAVE
BEEN FAR MORE DEFINITIVE. THEY SAY IT WAS RUSSIA.
WHY WON'T YOU AGREE WITH THEM AND SAY IT WAS?
>> LET ME START OFF BY SAYING, I HEARD IT WAS 17 AGENCIES.
I SAID BOY, THAT'S A LOT. DO WE EVEN HAVE THAT MANY
INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES? RIGHT?
LET'S CHECK IT. AND WE DID SOME VERY HEAVY
RESEARCH. IT TURNED OUT TO BE THREE OR
FOUR. IT WASN'T 17.
AND MANY OF YOUR COME PATRIOTS HAD TO CHANGE THEIR REPORTING
AND THEY HAD TO APOLOGIZE AND THEY HAD TO CORRECT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, MISTAKES HAVE BEEN MADE.
I AGREE. I THINK IT WAS RUSSIA AND I
THINK IT WAS PROBABLY OTHER PEOPLE AND/OR COUNTRIES AND I
SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT STATEMENT.
NOBODY REALLY KNOWS. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS SITTING
BACK LISTENING ABOUT IRAQ. WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
HOW EVERYBODY WAS 100% SURE THAT IRAQ HAD WEAPONS OF MASS
DESTRUCTION. GUESS WHAT?
THAT LED TO ONE BIG MESS. THEY WERE WRONG AND IT LED TO A
MESS. SO IT WAS RUSSIA, BUT I THINK IT
WAS PROBABLY OTHERS, WILL SAY AND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A
LONG PERIOD OF TIME. MY QUESTION IS, WHY DID OBAMA DO
NOUTH ABOUT IT FROM AUGUST ALL THE WAY TO NOVEMBER?
IF HE DID NOTHING ABOUT IT AND IT WASN'T BECAUSE HE CHOKED.
>> SO, WILLIE, IF YOU'RE KEEPING SCORE AT HOME, THIS IS
REMARKABLE. OFF UNITED STATES PRESIDENT ON
FOREIGN SOIL ATTACKING THE CIA, ATTACKING OUR INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITIES, ATTACKING AMERICA'S FREE PRESS ON FOREIGN SOIL, AND
ATTACKING A FOREIGN -- ATTACKING FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES. WHILE SEEM TO GO TRY TO JUNGLE
TWO ULTIMATE REALITIES, NUMBER ONE, MAYBE IT WAS RUSSIA, MAYBE
IT WAS THE FAT DUDE IN JERSEY, MAYBE IT WAS OTHER STATE
PLAYERS. SO HE SAYS THAT FIRST.
THEN HE GOES TO IT WAS RUSSIA. AND HIS WORDS HERE, THE CIA
PRETTY STRONGLY WARNED BARACK OBAMA THAT IT WAS RUSSIA AND DID
NOTHING. SO WHEN BARACK OBAMA COMES UP,
RUSSIA WAS THE ONE THAT INTERFERED IN OUR ELECTIONS AND
HE HAD PRETTY STRONG EVIDENCE ABOUT IT.
>> WELL, THERE ARE TWO PIECES OF THIS.
THE FIRST IS THE ONE YOU ALLUDED ON TO WHICH IS THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES RIPPING ANOTHER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES ON FOREIGN SOIL. >> AND THE CIA AND THE AMERICAN
PRESS. >> THAT'S UNSEEMLY ON ITS OWN.
WHERE HE'S WRONG AGAIN, AND HOW HE FOLLOWED UP ON THIS IS HE
WON'T JUST COME OUT AND SAY THAT RUSSIA HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH
IT CLEANLY. HE'LL SAY YES, THEY MAY HAVE HAD
SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN CHINA AND
SOMEONE ELSE. THAT'S WHAT HE'S BEEN SAYING
GOING BACK TO HILLARY CLINTON IN OCTOBER, OCTOBER 7th AT WE ALL
KNOW AT THIS POINT. THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES CAME
OUT. JAY JOHNSON SAID ON THIS SET A
COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND REITERATED THE EVIDENCE AND
INTELLIGENCE THAT HE HAD. THEY CAME OUT AND SAID, YES,
RUSSIA INTERFERED IN OUR ELECTION.
SO THE QUESTION, AGAIN, FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP IS WHY DO YOU
DISAGREE WITH YOUR INTEL AGENCIES?
DO YOU KNOW SOMETHING OR ARE YOU HIDING SOMETHING?
WHAT'S THE REASON THAT YOU WON'T GO ALONG WITH THIS?
>> HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING THAT HIS INTEL AGENCIES AREN'T
TELLING HIM ANY MORE. HE WON'T COME OUT AND ADMIT -- I
DON'T KNOW WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN HAS OVER HIM, BUT WHAT EVERYBODY
ELSE KNOWS. HE'S STILL TALKING ABOUT, WELL,
MAYBE RUSSIA, MAYBE ANOTHER STATE, MAYBE THE FAT GUY IN
JERSEY, HE SAYS OTHER PEOPLE. AND AT THE SAME TIME, AGAIN,
WHEN BARACK OBAMA'S NAME COMES UP, HE IS CERTAIN RUSSIA
INTERFERED AND HE HAD STRONG EVIDENCE THAT RUSSIA INTERFERED,
BUT HE DID NOTHING. >> HIS WHOLE ANSWER IS OUT OF
PIECE WITH WHAT HE SAID IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S MORE SIGNIFICANT
BECAUSE HE'S ABOUT TO MEET WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN.
AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE HOPING THAT HIS ANSWER WOULD BE
MORE DIRECTED TOWARDS WARNING THE RUSSIANS BECAUSE NOW, WITHIN
THAT ROOM, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FEARING THAT HE WILL NOT BE
TOUGH ON PUTIN FOR RUSSIA'S INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION, I
THINK, ARE GOING TO BE MORE WORRIED THAT HE'S GOING TO JUST
BET AND THE FAT GUY IN JERSEY BETTER GO ON THE LAM.
>> RICHARD, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY NEGATIVE -- NEGATIVE SIEVENS
ALREADY BEING SENT OUT BY DONALD TRUMP.
THERE WERE A FEW THINGS IN THE NATIONAL MEDIA TO LOOK AT AND
SAY, WELL, MAYBE THERE IS -- HE IS SHOWING A BIT OF RESTRAINT
WITH PUTIN, ONE BEING, OF COURSE, THAT HE TALKS ABOUT --
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, HE'S IN POLAND, AS WE SAID BEFORE, BUT
SECONDLY TALKED ABOUT HOW THE FUTURE OF WESTERN CIVIL
ZAIPZATION IS AT RISK ASK WE HAVE TO STAND UP TO IT.
HE DOES TALK ABOUT RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE.
HOW DO YOU JUGGLE ALL THAT? >> WELL, IT'S A JUGGLE, EVEN
GOING TO POLAND IS A JUGGLE BECAUSE WITH ON ONE HAND, THEY
ARE SPENDSING 2%. IT IS ONE OF THE MORE
ANTI-RUSSIAN POLICIES. ON THE OTHER HAND, POLAND IS ONE
OF THE MORE LIBERAL COUNTRIES IN EUROPE.
SO IT'S A BALANCING -- IT'S NO ACCIDENT, SHALL WE SAY, THAT
HE'S IN POLAND. IN TERMS OF RUSSIA MORE BLOD
BROADLY, YOU'VE GOT THREE BASKETS, MAYBE FOUR BASKETS ON
OF CONCERNS. YOU'VE GOT THE ELECTION
INTERFERENCE, YOU'VE GOT UKRAINE AND THE POTENTIAL INTERRUPTION
TO EUROPE AND THE FACT THAT RUSSIA IS PLAYING A LARGER ROLE
IN NORTH KOREA. THEY ARE BEGIN TO GO COMPLIMENT
THE CHINESE AND PROVIDING SOMETHING OF A LIFELINE TO NORTH
KOREA. SO HE'S GOT AN ENORMOUS AGENDA.
THIS DANCING AROUND RELUCTANT TO PIN THE TAIL ON THE DONKEY,
OBVIOUSLY, IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO DEELT WITH THIS MEETING.
YOU WANT TO HAVE PUTIN ON THE DEFENSIVE.
I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY HE'S GIVING HIM A SORT OF PASS
HERE. >> LET'S BACK UP.
JUST IN TERMS OF INTERNATIONAL OPTICS, WHAT COMES TO MIND WHEN
YOU WATCH THE FEW MINUTES THERE OF THE PRESIDENT SPEAKING?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE A SNAPSHOT, REALLY, TODAY OF A
WORLD -- RICHARD WOULD LIKE THIS, THE WORLD REALLY IS IN
DISARRAY. .YOU HAVE THE NORTH KOREAN
THREAT AS TRUMP ARRIVES IN EUROPE.
THE EUROPEANS ARE CLEARLY NOT GOING TO STAND SHOULDER TO
SHOULDER ANY MORE. ANGELA MERKEL TOOK THE
PRESIDENT'S ARRIVAL IN EUROPE AS A CHANCE TO HAVE A BIG INTERVIEW
IN THE PAPER ABOUT HOW SHE DOESN'T SEE EYE TO EYE WITH
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS OUT ON A LIMB IN TERMS
OF HIS VIEW AT THE MOMENT AND AT THE SAME TIME YOU'VE GOT
PRESIDENT TRUMP PICKING FIGHTS WITH THE CHINESE AND REFUSINGING
TO REJECT RUSSIA'S VIEW OF ITS INTERFERENCE IN THE U.S.
ELECTION AND RUSSIA'S VIEW OF ITS ROLE IN THE WORLD AT THE
MOMENT. SO YOU COULDN'T HAVE A MORE
DESTABILIZED WORLD AT A TIME WHEN THE UNITED STATES SEEMS TO
BE IN RETREAT FROM LEADERSHIP AND EUROPEAN COUNTRIES AND THE
CHINESE AND THE RUSSIANS HAVE ALL RECOGNIZED THAT AND ARE
STARTING TO JOSTLE AND FORM THEIR OWN ALLIANCES.
>> SO YOU'RE GOOD AT THIS. WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER
WAY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, JOE, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PERHAPS
MORE STABILIZING, MORE COHESIVE, PERHAPS MORE POLITE, PERHAPS
LESS EMBARRASSING INTERNATIONALLY?
>> WELL, WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO ON IS, AND I THINK EVERYBODY
WOULD RECOGNIZE THIS, ACKNOWLEDGE IT.
RUSSIA TRIED TO INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTIONS.
>> AND WHAT ABOUT A UNIFYINGCO HE'S ITCH RESPONSE TO IT?
>> RUSSIA TRIED TO INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTIONS.
WE ARE MEETING WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN TOMORROW.
WE WANT TO SEEK ASSURANCES THAT THEY WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN SO
WE CAN PUT IT BEHIND US AND BEGIN WORRYING ABOUT THINGS THAT
ARE GOING TO MATTER IN 2017 AND NOT 2016.
SYRIA, THE THREAT FROM NORTH KOREA, THE OTHER THREATS ACROSS
THE COUNTRY -- ACROSS EUROPE. >> SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO STUDY
UP FOR THAT. THAT JUST --
BUT DAVID IGNACIOUS, IT'S ALL PERSONAL WITH HIM.
WE TRIED TO TALK ABOUT IT YET YESTERDAY.
EVEN IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE RUSSIA HAD AN IMPACT ON THE
OUTCOME OF THE 2016 ELECTION, BUT STILL TRIED TO INTER INTERF
WITH THE ELECTION, DONALD TRUMP SIMPLY CANNOT ADMIT ONE BECAUSE
HE THINKS IT UNDERCUTS HIS ELECTION.
HOW ABOUT CLEARING THIS UP FOR OUR VIEWERS.
DONALD TRUMP SAYS THE INTEL COMMUNITIES DID NOT ALL COME OUT
SAYING THAT RUSSIA TRIED TO INTERFERE IN OUR ELECTIONS.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ON THURSDAY, JULY 6th, 2017 ABOUT
WHAT WE KNOW BASED ON OUR INTEG COMMUNITIES AND WHAT RUSSIA DID
IN THE 20 16 ELECTIONS? >> THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL
INTELLIGENCE WHO REPRESENTS THE 17 DIFFERENT AGENCIES ISSUED A
STATEMENT IN OCTOBER, VERY SPECIFICALLY BLAMING RUSSIA FOR
THIS MEDDLING IN OUR ELECTION. HE SPOKE FOR ALL THE AGENCIES HE
HAS. IT IS TRUE THAT THE SPECIALIZED
INTELLIGENCE OF THAT RUSSIA ACTIONS, PLANNING, HAD BEEN
GUARD BY ONLY SEVERAL OF THOSE AGENCIES, BUT HE WAS SPEAKING AS
THEY SAY IN A CHURCH EX CATHEDRA.
SO I THINK THAT'S SORT OF A SILLY TECHNICAL POINT.
WATCHING TRUMP'S BLAND DEFENSIVE PERFORMANCE IN POLAND, YOU WOULD
NOT KNOW THAT HE IS HEADING TOWARD WHAT I THINK WILL BE THE
MOST FATEFUL DAYS OF HIS PRESIDENCY SO FAR.
WE HAVE A REAL LIFE CRISIS NOW WITH NORTH KOREA.
AND THE THE PRESIDENT'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO IT CREATIVELY,
FIRMLY, WISELY, IS GOING TO BE CRUCIAL, LITERALLY, FOR WAR AND
PEACE IN NORTHWEST ASIA. AND YOU JUST HAVE TO HOPE THAT
HE IS BETTER PREPARED PORE THAT MEETING AND THE COMMENTS IN
POLAND WOULD HAVE INDICATED. HE'S GOING TO NEED TO WORK WITH
RUSSIA SO THE IDEA OF NOT CLOSING THE DOOR TO RUSSIA, WHAT
HE SHOULD HAVE SAID WAS THERE IS A SPECIAL CONTRACT INVESTIGATING
THIS MATTER. I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE JUDGMENT
ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM. >> .PIGS WOULD BE FLYING AROUND
WARSAW. >> THIS IS AN ODD TIME FOR THE
PRESIDENT TO BE RAISING QUESTIONS INTERNATIONALLY,
STANDING ON THE SOIL OF ANOTHER COUNTRY, ABOUT THE TRACK
REPORT .BELIEVABILITY OF THE AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.
YES, WE GOT IT WRONG OR THEY GOT IT WRONG IN IRAQ, BUT WE'RE
ABOUT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE WORLD WHERE WE ARE
LIKELY TO BE SAYING, WE KNOW ABOUT NORTH KOREA.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE BASED ON AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO RALLY INTERNATIONAL SUPPORT FOR
WHATEVER IT IS WE DO BASED ON AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE FINDINGS.
IT'S AN ODD TIME TO BASICALLY BE SAYING YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THE CIA
OR THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY ABOUT IRAQ.
CENTER I'M CERTAIN THAT HIS FOREIGN POLICY TEAM DIDN'T
PREPARING HIM THAT. >> AS WE SAID BEFORE, YOU'RE ON
FOREIGN SOIL. >> RIFFING?
>> I REMEMBER BEING VERY, VERY CRITICAL OF FORMER MAJORITY
LEADER HARRY REED FOR ATTACKING GEORGE W. BUSH WHEN HE WAS IN
RUSSIA, HE CALLED HIM STUPID OR AN IDIOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I FORGET EXACTLY WHAT THE WORDS WERE.
FOR A SITTING PRESIDENT TO BE ON FOREIGN SOIL, WE CAN'T REALLY
UNDERLINE THIS ENOUGH AND ATTACK AMERICA'S INTEL COMMUNITY ON
FOREIGN SOIL AND ATTACK AMERICA'S FREE PRESS ON FOREIGN
SOIL, LONG SEEN BY OTHERS AS A CITY CHINAING BRIGHTLY ON THE
HILL FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE. FOR HIM TO ATTACK AMERICAN
INSTITUTIONS TWO DAYS AFTER THE FOURTH OF JULY ON FOREIGN SOIL
THE DAY BEFORE WE MEET AMERICA'S CHIEF ADVOCACY IS NOTHING SHORT
OF DISGUSTING. >> AND MIKA IS RIGHT, THIS IS A
RIFF. THIS IS NOT IN RESPONSE TO
PREPARED REMARKS. AS YOU SAID, YOU CANNOT LET ANY
SLIGHT GO UNPASSED. HE HAD TO TALK ABOUT RUSSIA KWAB
BUT REMIND THE WORLD THAT IT WAS NOT HE, BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO
HAD A CHAND TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
>> AND WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD A CHAND TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT
IT, SUDDENLY IT WAS RUSSIA AND HE KNEW IT WAS RUSSIA AND THE
CIA GAVE HIM STRONG EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS RUSSIA.
CENTER AND THERE IS A