ALL RIGHT THAT'S COMING UP IN
JUST A SECOND.
WE'VE GOT THE GUY WHO DEMOCRATS
SAY COULD KNOCK BERNIE SANDERS
BACK ON HIS HEELS IN THE
DEMOCRAT PRIMARIES.
HE'S 2020 CANDIDATE, AND HE GREW
UP IN THE RUST BELT IN INDIANA
HE WAS FIRST ELECTED TO OFFICE
IN SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, IN 2011
AND FACTORIES SINCE THE 70S
THERE WERE GETTING OBLITERATED
OUT OF THE DISTANCE, JOBS WERE
VANISHING AND BUTTIGIEG, HE
TRIED TO TURN IT AROUND AND WAS
SUCCESSFUL IN MANY INSTANCES AND
DEMOLISHED MORE THAN 1,000
ABANDONED HOMES ATTRACTED
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT FOR
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, HE ALSO
DIDN'T RIDICULE AND MAKE FUN OF
OTHER AMERICANS OR TAKE THEM FOR
GRANTED THE WAY HILLARY DID IN
2016.
THIS AS BERNIE SANDERS, HERE IS
WHAT'S GOING ON WITH BERNIE
SANDERS.
HE'S NOW TRYING TO CLAIM HE
NEVER WAS A SOVIET-STYLE
COMMUNIST.
WE'RE CALLING IT THE MISS
EDUCATION OF BERNIE WE GUESS
NOW BERNIE IS OUT WITH THIS
STORY, "HE LIKES COUNTRIES LIKE
DENMARK AND SWEDEN AND HE'S
SAYING THAT THAT OLD SOVIET
UNION, THAT'S NOT MY THING."
NOW HE'S GOING TO CLAIM, HE SAYS
, TO RELEASE 10 YEARS WORTH
OF TAX RETURNS, SHOWING HE'S A
MILLIONAIRE OF CAPITALISM.
LET'S BRING IN REPUBLICAN
STRATEGIST AND CIVIC FORUM PACK
CHAIR FORD O'CONNELL.
YOUR TAKE ON BERNIE HERE, FORD.
>> I THINK HE'S ENGAGING A
LITTLE BIT OF REVISION AS
HISTORY.
WE'VE OBVIOUSLY SEEN VIDEOS OF
IN PRAISING SOVIET-STYLE RED
LINES AND PRAISING THE COMMUNIST
LEADERSHIP OF CUBA AS WELL AS
HIS LOVE AFFAIR WITH MADURO, BUT
WHEN HE'S PUSHING BY THE GREEN
NEW DEAL OUT OF CONTROL TAXING
AND SPENDING TO DENMARK AND
SWEDEN IS JUST A COMPLETE AND
UTTER FALSEHOOD, BECAUSE THAT'S
KNOW THE WHAT DENMARK AND SWEDEN
DID TO TURNAROUND THEIR ECONOM
IES.
LIZ: LET'S BREAK BREAK DOWN WHAT
FORD IS GIVING TO YOU.
TO FORD'S POINT BERNIE PRAISED
SOVIET-STYLE COMMUNISM IN THE
MID 80S SAYING IT'S FUNNY SOME
TIME AMERICAN JOURNALISTS TALK
ABOUT HOW BAD A COUNTRY IS
PEOPLE LINING UP FOR FOOD.
THAT'S A GOOD THING, AND THOSE
COUNTRIES, THAT BASICALLY THE
RICH ARE GETTING THE FOOD AND
THE POOR PEOPLE ARE STARVING TO
DEATH BASICALLY, BERNIE IS
SAYING THE FACT THEY'RE ONLINE
IS GETTING FOOD THAT'S A GOOD
THING AND SANDERS ALSO SAID THIS
ABOUT CUBAN DICTATOR FIDEL
CASTRO: WATCH.
EVERYBODY WAS TOTALLY CONVINCED
THAT CASTRO IS THE WORST GUY IN
THE WORLD ALL THE CUBAN PEOPLE
WILL RISE UP IN REBELLION
AGAINST FIDEL CASTRO.
THEY FORGET HE EDUCATED DEATH
CARE, TRANSFORMED THE SOCIETY
NOT TO SAY THAT THEY ARE PERFECT
, THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT,
BUT JUST BECAUSE RONALD REGAN
DISLIKES THESE PEOPLE DOES NOT
MEAN TO SAY THE PEOPLE IN THEIR
OWN NATIONS FEEL THE SAME WAY.
LIZ: WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE OF
CUBA WHICH FEEL OTHERWISE, AND
ALSO THE FAMILIES OF PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN SHOT AND KILLED BY CASTRO
AND HIS WOULD FEEL OTHERWISE AND
A YEAR LATER, BERNIE SANDERS
SAID, "HE WAS VERY EXCITED AND
IMPRESSED BY THE CUBAN
REVOLUTION, WHICH WAS COMMUNIST
."
HE ALSO SAID AT ONE POINT, WHEN
HE WAS WATCHING JFK DEBATE MIX
ON, WHEN HE WENT AFTER COMMUNISM
HE LITERALLY WANTED TO PUKE.
THAT'S A QUOTE FROM BERNIE
SANDERS YOUR TAKE ON THIS?
>> WELL OBVIOUSLY, HE HAS A LOT
OF POLITICAL BAGGAGE AND A LOT
TO EXPLAIN IF HE WANTS TO GET
BEYOND THE MILLENNIAL BASE OF
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, SHOULD HE
ACTUALLY BE THE DEMOCRATIC
NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT?
I JUST DON'T THINK HE CAN SHAKE
THAT PATH BUT OBVIOUSLY HE'S
TRYING TO DO IT BY SAYING REALLY
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS MORE
LIKE DENMARK AND SWEDEN, WHICH
OF COURSE, RINGS GREAT BELLS
WITH A LOT OF VOTERS BECAUSE
THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD ECONOMY,
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY
HAPPY BUT WHAT HAS MADE DENMARK
AND SWEDEN SO SUCCESSFUL IS
EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT
BERNIE SANDERS IS PUSHING
BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
CAPPING SPENDING.
THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A
MINIMUM WAGE THEY ARE TALKING
ABOUT ABOLISHING THE DEATH TAX
AND ABOLISHING THE WEALTH TAX.
THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT BERNIE
SANDERS IS TALKING ABOUT.
HE'S TRYING TO PULL A FAST ONE.
LIZ: TO YOUR POINT, SWEDEN,
THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE PRO-CAPITAL
ISM, WE NEED CAPITAL
ISM TO PAY FOR OUR BIG
WELFARE STATES.
HERE IS THE FORMER PRIME
MINISTER OF SWEDEN SAYING HEY,
BERNIE, WE'RE NOT WHAT YOU THINK
WE ARE.
HE'S BASICALLY SAYING WATCH THIS
BERNIE SANDERS WAS LUCKY TO BE
ABLE TO GET TO THE SOVIET UNION
IN 1988, PRAISE ALL OF THE
ACHIEVEMENTS BEFORE THE ENTIRE
SYSTEM COLLAPSED UNDER THE
WEIGHT OF ITS OWN SPECTACULAR
FAILURES.
TO YOUR POINT, SWEDEN IS ABOUT
REDUCING GOVERNMENT SPENDING.
NO MINIMUM WAGE, CAPPING PUBLIC
SPENDING, NO INHERITANCE OR
WEALTH TAX, RIGHT, FORD?
>> WELL THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE
DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING AWAY WITH
THE FACT THAT EVERY TIME THEY
ARE TALKING ABOUT PUSHING
SOCIALISTIC POLICIES, GOVERNMENT
-DIRECTED POLICIES AND
TAXING TO OBSCENE LEVELS THEY
GET AWAY WITH SAYING SWEDEN AND
DENMARK WHEN IN FACT YOU HAVE A
FORMER SWEDISH PRIME MINISTER
SAYING THAT'S NOT HOW WE GOT
THERE IN FACT WHEN WE WERE DOING
TERRIBLY WHICH WAS THE 90S WE
HAD A RECESSION ESSENTIAL WE DID
MUCH OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING
ABOUT.
LIZ: FORD FIX THIS FOR ME TELL
ME IF I'M WRONG.
DOES RAISING PEOPLE'S TAXES
CAUSE OTHER PEOPLE'S INCOMES TO
GO UP AND FIX INCOME AND
EQUALITY WHEN THE GOVERNMENT
TAKES MORE IN TAXES DOES THAT
FIX SOMEBODY ELSE'S INCOME?
>> NO ABSOLUTELY NOT . WHAT YOU