YOU'RE TERRIFIC.
BRIAN: THANK YOU, LARRY.
WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS.
WE SHOULD GO BACK OUT TO
CATHERINE HERRIDGE.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE THE
WHISTLEBLOWER'S COMPLAINT.
YOU'RE PUTTING IT TOGETHER RIGHT
NOW.
REPORTER: I'M GOING THROUGH IT
RIGHT NOW.
JUST BEAR WITH ME WHILE I READ
THROUGH IT.
AS WE JUST REPORTED ABOUT TEN
MINUTES AGO ON YOUR SHOW, THIS
IS A VERY PROFESSIONAL,
PROFESSIONALLY DONE DOCUMENT.
AT ITS CORE IS THE CONVERSATION
BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY.
THE LANGUAGE IN THE COMPLAINT
SAYS THAT THEY RECEIVED
INFORMATION, I'M QUOTING HERE, I
HAVE RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM
MULTIPLE U.S. GOVERNMENT
OFFICIALS THAT THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES IS USING THE
POWER OF HIS OFFICE TO SOLICIT
INTERFERENCE FROM A FOREIGN
COUNTRY IN THE 2020 U.S.
ELECTION.
THE INTERFERENCE INCLUDES AMONG
OTHER THINGS, PRESSURING A
FOREIGN COUNTRY TO INVESTIGATE
ONE OF THE PRESIDENT'S MAIN
DOMESTIC POLITICAL RIVALS.
I WILL CONTINUE TO ANOTHER
SECTION I WANT TO FLAG, BECAUSE
AS YOU RECALL IN MY FIRST REPORT
THIS HOUR I TALKED ABOUT
ALLEGATIONS OR QUESTIONS OVER
THE INTEGRITY OF THE TRANSCRIPT.
HERE IS THAT SECTION.
IS IT STATES, IN THE DAYS
FOLLOWING THE PHONE CALL I
LEARNED FROM MULTIPLE U.S.
OFFICIALS THAT SENIOR
WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS HAD
INTERVENED, TO QUOTE, LOCK DOWN
ALL RECORDS OF THE PHONE CALL
ESPECIALLY THE OFFICIAL WORD FOR
WORD TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL THAT
WAS PRODUCED AS IS CUSTOMARY BY
THE WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM.
THIS SET OF ACTIONS UNDERSCORED
TO ME THAT WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS
UNDERSTOOD THE GRAVITY OF WHAT
HAD TRANSPIRED ON THE CALL.
THEN IT CONTINUES, WHITE HOUSE
OFFICIALS, JUST ONE LAST ONE.
WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS TOLD ME
THEY WERE DIRECTED BY
WHITE HOUSE LAWYERS TO REMOVE
THE ELECTRONIC TRANSCRIPT FROM
THE COMPUTER SYSTEM IN WHICH
SUCH TRANSCRIPTS ARE TYPICALLY
STORED FOR RECORDATION,
FINALIZATION AND DISTRIBUTION TO
THE CABINET OFFICIALS.
THERE WAS ALLEGED THAT THE
ACCURACY OF THE TRANSCRIPT WAS
NOD HANDLED THROUGH APPROPRIATE
FASHION AND CAME THROUGH
MULTIPLE U.S. GOVERNMENT
OFFICIALS.
IT IS VERY PROFESSIONALLY
CRAFTED DOCUMENT.
I MEAN MY READ IS THAT IT IS
SOMEONE SENIOR WITHIN THE IC
GIVEN HOW IT HAS BEEN STRUCTURED
OR THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH
LAWYERS WHO ARE VERY FAMILIAR
WITH HOW TO HANDLE A
HIGH-PROFILE WHISTLEBLOWER
COMPLAINT LIKE THIS GUY'S.
STEVE: THAT'S RIGHT.
CATHERINE, I'M LOOKING.
NINE-PAGES IN ALL.
TOWARD THE END THERE IS ONE PART
THAT IS BLACKED OUT.
THERE IS ONE PART THAT IS
OBVIOUSLY VIEWED AS CLASSIFIED.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT.
IT REGARDS PUTTING THE
TRANSCRIPT INTO A STAND-ALONE
DIFFERENT COMPUTER, WHICH THEY
WORRIED ABOUT.
REPORTER: THAT'S RIGHT.
I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE
BECAUSE THAT IS NOT MY HABIT TO
GET INTO REDACTED, YOU'RE
FLAGGING SOMETHING IMPORTANT,
THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS
RAISED IN THIS COMPLAINT WHETHER
THE TRANSCRIPT WAS HANDLED IN A
STANDARD FASHION OR WHETHER
THERE WAS SOMETHING IRING ARE
LEAR AND DELIBERATE ABOUT THE
HANDLING OF THIS TRANSCRIPT.
FOR FOLKS AT HOME THE WAY IT
TYPICALLY WORKS, THE SITUATION
ROOM IS ON THE CALL AMONG OTHER
OFFICIALS.
INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS ARE TYPING
IN REAL TIME AS THE PHONE CALL
UNFOLDS.
THEN THEY TAKE THOSE TRANSCRIPTS
OR THEIR RECORDS, TYPED RECORDS
OF A CALL.
THEY CROSS REFERENCE THEM.
CROSS-CHECK THEM.
THEY TRY TO CREATE A COLATED OR
FINAL RECORD OF THE PHONE CALL
THIS IS QUESTIONING WHETHER ALL
THESE PRACTICES WERE FOLLOWED IN
A STANDARD WAY.
BRIAN: SO IF I WAS TO SUMMARIZE
ROUGHLY WHAT WE SEEM TO BE
GLEANING FROM THIS DOCUMENT, IT
IS THE ALLEGATION IS FROM
MULTIPLE SOURCES NOT DIRECTLY
THERE WAS A SENSE THAT THE
PRESIDENT DURING THAT
CONVERSATION WAS USING HIS
OFFICE FOR POLITICAL GAIN.
I GUESS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
JOE BIDEN.
WHAT WE READ YESTERDAY, THE
FIVE-PAGES, DOES NOT
COMPREHENSIVABLY GO OVER EXACTLY
WHAT WENT ON IN THAT PHONE CALL?
REPORTER: RIGHT.
HERE IS THE EXACT LANGUAGE.
WE STICK TO THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE
OF THE GRAVITY WHAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT HERE.
THE WHISTLEBLOWER SAID I
RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM
MULTIPLE U.S. GOVERNMENT
OFFICIALS THAT THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES IS USING THE
POWER OF HIS OFFICE TO SOLICIT
INTERFERENCE FROM A FOREIGN
GOVERNMENT IN THE 2020 U.S.
ELECTION.
THEY SAY I HAVE RECEIVED THIS
INFORMATION.
AINSLEY: IS THAT ILLEGAL?
IS THAT ILLEGAL?
IF HE IS USING HIS POWER TO GET
INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, IF IT IS
NOT, IF IT IS NOT --
REPORTER: I'M NOT A LAWYER.
ONE THING I SKIPPED WAS LAW
SCHOOL.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A JUDGMENT
ON THAT.
AINSLEY: OKAY.
REPORTER: A LOT TO GO THROUGH
HERE.
STEVE: THERE IS NINE-PAGES.
YOU'RE TALKING AND READING AT
THE SAME TIME.
YOU'RE EXISTED IN THAT.
THIS IS DECLASSIFIED VERSION
YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
THE MEMBERS OF THE INTEL
COMMITTEES LAST NIGHT APPARENTLY
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO READ
THE CLASSIFIED VERSION OVER IN
THE SECURED, THE SCIF AREAS
THERE ON CAPITOL HILL.
SO THEY WILL -- THE PUBLIC
VERSION HAS SOME REDACTIONS TO
IT THE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE
ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN THE STUFF
THAT IS NOT BLACKED OUT?
REPORTER: BUT I HAVE TO SAY THIS
IS A VERY LIGHTLY REDACTED
DOCUMENT.
TWO SECTIONS TOWARDS THE END.
I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT A
WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT WOULD
HAVE WHAT IS CALLED A CLASSIFIED
APPENDIX.
THAT IS LIKE AN ATTACHMENT OF
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHICH IS
SENSITIVE IN THIS CASE, AGAIN
THAT GOES TO THE IDEA THIS IS
VERY PROFESSIONAL OR SENIOR
PERSON WITHIN THE IC.
THEY HAD VERY PROFESSIONAL HELP
PUTTING THE WHISTLEBLOWER
COMPLAIN TOGETHER.
IT WAS VERY BY DESIGN IF YOU
WILL, NOT SORT OF SPUR OF THE
MOMENT.
THE CENTRAL -- THE CORE OF IT IS
THE PHONE CALL THOUGH.
THERE IS NO TRANSCRIPT HERE.
TO BE CLEAR.
THIS DOES NOT HAVE THE
TRANSCRIPT.
SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE
RECEIVED FROM WHITE HOUSE
OFFICIALS ABOUT THE PHONE CALL.
SO THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT
WE'VE BEEN REPORTING.
NO DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF THE PHONE
CALL.
BRIAN: LET ME READ YOU SOME OF
WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT LOOKED AT
IT LAST NIGHT SAID.
I'M SURE THERE IS POLITICAL
SLANT TO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
HERE IS WHAT DICK, SENATOR CHUCK
SCHUMER SAID.
HAVING READ THE WHISTLEBLOWER
COMPLAINT I'M EVEN MORE WORRIED
WHAT HAPPENED.
WHEN I READ THE MEMORANDUM OF
CONVERSATION BETWEEN TRUMP AND
ZELENSKY.
THERE ARE MANY FACTS HAVE TO BE
EXAMINED.
IT IS VERY TROUBLING.
THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO READ
THE WHISTLEBLOWER'S COMPLAINT
THEMSELVES WHICH WE'RE DOING.
THE CONTENTS SHOULD BE MADE
PUBLICLY IMMEDIATELY WHICH IS
HAPPENING.
REPORTER: I'M GOING TO THE THE
CLASSIFIED APPENDIX RIGHT HERE.
IT IS TALKING ABOUT THE STORAGE
AND HANDLING OF THE TRANSCRIPTS
MUCH THESE PHONE CALLS AND IT
SAYS THE TRANSCRIPTS, I'M
READING NOW, WAS PLACED INTO A
COMPUTER SYSTEM MANAGED DIRECTLY
BY THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
DIRECTORATE FOR INTELLIGENCE
PERHAPS.
THIS IS A STAND-ALONE COMPUTER
SYSTEM RECEIVED FOR CODE WORD
LEVEL INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION
SUCH AS COVERT ACTIONS.
SO IN OTHER WORDS THE
TRANSCRIPT, THEY'RE ALLEGING DID
NOT GO INTO THE USUAL SYSTEM.
IT WENT INTO A HIGHLY-CLASSIFIED
SYSTEM THAT'S USED FOR BLACK
OPS.
THESE ARE OPS THAT ARE AMONG THE
MOST SENSITIVE THAT ARE CARRIED
OUT BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
OFTEN WHAT THEY CALL SPECIAL
ACCESS PROGRAMS OR STAFF
PROGRAMS.
THEN AT THE BACK HALF OF THIS
APPENDIX, I THINK THIS IS
IMPORTANT BECAUSE TO ME THIS IS
WHERE IT IS MAKING THE LINKAGE
BETWEEN PUTTING THE AID FROM THE
U.S. ON HOLD AND THE PHONE CALL.
I'M READING VERBATIM.
ON JULY 18 A OFFICE OF
MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET OFFICIAL
INFORMED DEPTHS AND AGENCIES THE
PRESIDENT QUOTE, EARLIER THAT
MONTH ISSUED INSTRUCTIONS TO
SUSPEND ALL U.S. SECURITY
ASSISTANCE TO UKRAINE.
NEITHER OMB OR THE NSD STAFF
KNEW WHY THIS INSTRUCTION HAD
BEEN ISSUED.
SO AGAIN AS I WAS TOLD EARLIER
THIS MORNING, THERE IS THIS
SECTION AT THE BACK LOOKS LIKE
TWO OR THREE PAGES WHERE THIS
INDIVIDUAL IS DOING, SORT OF
THEIR OWN FORENSICS OR
CONNECTING OF DOTS EITHER
THROUGH MEDIA REPORTS OR
INFORMATION THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE
TO OBTAIN ABOUT THE CALL AND
OTHER ACTIONS THAT WERE TAKEN,
THEY SAY ARE RELATED TO THE CALL
WHICH IN THIS CASE IS THE AID.
AINSLEY: SO IF YOU'RE JUST
TUNING IN, THE WHITE HOUSE
COMPLAINT, THE WHISTLEBLOWER
COMPLAINT IS OUT, DECLASSIFIED,
RELEASED ALL OF US WE'RE GOING
THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW.
AT 9:00 JOSEPH MAGUIRE WILL
TESTIFY.
AT 10:45 NANCY PELOSI HAS WEEKLY
NEWS CONFERENCE.
1:30 WE'RE TOLD THE PRESIDENT IS
FLYING BACK FROM NEW YORK TO
D.C. AND COULD POSSIBLY TAKE
QUESTIONS THERE ON THE LAWN AS
HE DOES SO OFTEN.
BRIAN: I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT
TO POINT OUT THERE IS BELIEF THE
WHISTLEBLOWER HAS A POLITICAL
BIAS.
THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY
SOME HAVE SAID DIDN'T COME
FORWARD BECAUSE -- IF YOU LOOK L
FORWARD BECAUSE -- IF YOU LOOK O
FORWARD BECAUSE -- IF YOU LOOK K
AT THE ATTORNEY WHO DONATED TO
JOE BIDEN'S CAMPAIGN, PEOPLE
THINK THERE IS INHERENT BIAS.
AINSLEY: WHAT IS THE BIAS THERE,
CATHERINE?
WE HEARD THE ATTORNEYS HE HIRED
WERE POSSIBLY INTERNS FOR
SCHUMER AND FOR HILLARY CLINTON?
IS THERE MORE POLITICAL BIAS?
REPORTER: I'M LOOKING THROUGH
THE LETTER AND TRYING TO SEE
WHETHER THERE ARE ANY
INDICATIONS OR RED FLAGS IF YOU
WILL ABOUT POLITICAL BIAS BUT
I'M JUST NOT SEEING THAT IN THIS
DOCUMENT.
SO IT LOOKS TO ME THAT WHEN THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, THIS IS
THE INTERNAL WATCHDOG SAID THAT
THERE WERE INDICATIONS OF
POLITICAL BIAS AND SUPPORT FOR A
RIVAL CANDIDATE, THIS WAS
INDEPENDENTLY ASSESSED BY THE
WATCHDOG.
FROM WHAT I'M READING HERE THIS
IS A VERY KIND OF, SAY
FACT-DRIVEN, NEUTRAL DOCUMENT
BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK TO THE
END, WHEN YOU LOOK TO THE END,
AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE
IMPORTANT, IT DRAWS VERY HEAVILY
ON WHAT PEOPLE IN THE IC CALL
OPEN SOURCE REPORTING.
SO MEDIA REPORTS TO CONNECT THE
DOTS TO JUSTIFY THEIR CASE.
THEY'RE CITING REPORTING BY
"THE HILL" ABOUT THE, JUST ONE
SECOND HERE.
LOOKS LIKE IT IS A BIDEN
SITUATION.
STEVE: OKAY.
REPORTER: THERE ARE OTHER MEDIA
REPORTS AS WELL.
PUBLICLY REPORTED, I THINK MAYBE
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" HERE, YES,
"NEW YORK TIMES" IS ALSO CITED
HERE, MAY 9TH ARTICLE ABOUT
GIULIANI'S PLANE TRAVEL TO THE
UKRAINE TO PURSUE THESE