♪ ♪
>> Sean: WELL, WHO DID NOT SEE
THIS COMING?
A LIBERAL BAIL REFORM GROUP
BACKED BY WOKE CELEBRITY LIKE
DANNY GLOVER, SIR RICHARD
BRANSON COMING TO SHUT DOWN ITS
MOST PREDICTABLE REASON YOU CAN
IMAGINE, THIS CAREER CRIMINAL
WAS RELEASED JUST AFTER THE BELL
PROJECT PAID THREE GRAND TO BAIL
HIM OUT ON CHARGES.
SIX DAYS LATER, POLICE SAY THIS
GUY TRIED TO KILL A MAN OPENING
FIRE IN A LAS VEGAS RESTAURANT.
SHOOTING 11 TIMES.
THAT WINTER SURVIVED AND IS NOW
FACING PROSECUTION.
THE RAP SHEET IS A MILE LONG,
GRAND LARCENY, AUTO THEFT,
FELONY BURGLARY, THREE SHORT
YEARS.
SO, KENNEDY, IS THIS HOW WE GET
THIS STUPID BAIL PROJECT TO
STOP?
BY HAVING PEOPLE WHO ARE INJURED
BY THOSE WHO ARE RELEASED FROM
THE BAIL PROJECT SUIT AND
ACTUALLY HELD ACCOUNTABLE, IS
THAT HOW THIS ENDS?
>> Kennedy: YEAH, THAT IS HOW
ALL OF THESE THINGS END.
WHEN SOMEONE REALIZES THAT
SOMEONE ELSE IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR
THEIR SUFFERING AND THEY GO
AFTER THEM LEGALLY.
THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WILL
MAKE PEOPLE SIT UP AND PAY
ATTENTION.
SOME BAIL PRACTICES IN THIS
COUNTRY HAVE BEEN HORRIFIC AND
HAVE TAKEN GOOD PEOPLE AND PUT
THEM IN THE SYSTEM, AND
EVENTUALLY PUT THEM IN PRISON
FOR MINOR INFRACTIONS.
THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE
CAUGHT UP IN THAT.
PEOPLE WHO ARE VIOLENT,
RECIDIVIST CRIMINALS, WHO MEAN
TO DO A GREAT DEAL OF HARM, THEY
SHOULD NOT BE THE ONES WHO
BENEFIT FROM BAIL REFORM.
THAT IS NOT CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM.
THAT IS IGNORING VICTIMS.
THAT IS MAKING SIT THESE ARE
LESS SAFE, AND IT IS SUCH AN
UNSOPHISTICATED WAY OF DEALING
WITH VERY, VERY SERIOUS
PROBLEMS.
AND THEY DON’T WANT TO GO, THESE
PEOPLE SHOULD BE IN PRISON,
THESE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE IN
PRISON, YES, WE DO OVER
INCARCERATE IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT
THAT IS NOT THE WAY YOU FIX IT.
>> Sean: JESSICA, DID LIBERALS
LEARN THE LESSON?
YOU HAVE BUILT IN LEVERS, JUDGE
AND D.A., THEY ARE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE BY VOTERS, BUT ALSO
GRANDMA OR YOUR PARENTS COME IN
AND PAY YOUR BAIL OR PUNT, THEY
ARE GOING TO GO HEY, LISTEN,
FOLLOW RULES AND SHOW UP IN
COURT, SOMEONE LOOKING OVER YOUR
SHOULDER, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN
OUTSIDE GROUP THAT THE CRIMINAL
DOES NOT KNOW AND THEY ARE
SPRUNG BY THAT GROUP, THERE IS
REALLY NO ACCOUNTABILITY,
LIBERALS KIND OF GET THE MESSAGE
THAT HEY, COMMUNITIES ARE
LESS SAFE WHEN WE LET THESE
FOLKS OUT OF JAIL, NOT MORE
SAFE?
>> Jessica: WELL, SO TO ME IN,
RIGHT?
THE GROUP HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN
NOW.
THEY DID HAVE A HIGH SHOW UP TO
COURT RATE, 91% OF PEOPLE THAT
THEY HAD BAILED OUT HAD SHOWN
UP, PRETTY GOOD ODDS, RIGHT,
THAT SOMEONE IS COMING.
THE THING THAT WAS MOST
DISTURBING TO ME ABOUT THIS
PARTICULAR CASE IS THIS GUY WAS
A SCHIZOPHRENIC, HE HAD BEEN
DIAGNOSED, IT WAS KNOWN, IT WAS
PART OF HIS RECORD, AND HE WAS
BAILED OUT AND NOT TAKEN TO A
TREATMENT CENTER OR SOMEWHERE
ELSE, JUST RELEASED BACK ON THE
STREET, AND WE KNOW THAT ONE OF
THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH THE
HOMELESS POPULATION ARE MENTAL
HEALTH ISSUES.
THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON ALL
OVER THESE BIG CITIES,
LOS ANGELES AND NEW YORK,
CHICAGO, SAN FRANCISCO, SO IT IS
A REAL FAILING ON THE PART OF
THIS GROUP, AND LIKE KENNEDY,
THERE IS NO ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL
SOLUTION FOR THIS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
DON’T DESERVE TO BE IN JAIL
BECAUSE THEY CAN’T PAY THEIR
SLOW BAIL AMOUNT AND THERE ARE A
LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO DESERVE TO
BE KEPT IN JAIL WITH NO BAIL
AVAILABLE TO THEM UNTIL THE END.
UNTIL WE FIND A MORE NUANCED
WAY, AND I KNOW PEOPLE MAKE FUN,
DEMOCRATS LIKE TO SAY "OH, WE
NEED A LITTLE NUANCE," BUT UNTIL
WE FIND A NUANCED WAY TO DEAL
WITH THIS, YOU CAN’T MAKE THESE
BLANKET LAWS LIKE WHAT ILLINOIS
DID WITH, YOU KNOW, NO BAIL.
>> Sean: ANTIVIRUS, I LOOK AT
THIS AND SAY, HAVE THIS DO GOOD
BAIL GROUP NOT STEPPED IN
AND PAID THE BAIL, THIS GUY
WOULD HAVE STILL BEEN IN JAIL
AND NOT SHOPPED THIS WAITER UP
11 TIMES.
AND NOW, THIS DEFENDANT IS GOING
TO BE OUT IN A YEAR FOR THE
FIRST CHARGES, 18 YEAR PRISON
SENTENCE BECAUSE HE TRIED TO
COMMIT HOMICIDE.
>> Tyrus: TRIED, FAILED
MISERABLY 11 TIMES.
WOW.
HERE’S MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH
HER THIS.
CELEBRITY’S LOVE TO VIRTUE
SIGNAL, RIGHT?
AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE
CHAPTERS SHUT DOWN AND THE
CELEBRITIES JUST WASH THEIR
HANDS AND WALK AWAY.
IF YOU’RE GOING TO STAND BEHIND
SOMETHING, SHOW UP AND PUT YOUR
FACE ON IT AND GET PEOPLE TO
DONATE AND SUPPORT IT, WHEN
SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS, YOU
NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE, JUST
LIKE YOU ARE TALKING BUT GRANDMA
OR MOM BAILS YOU OUT, THEY HAD
TO PUT THEIR HOPES UP, OR
SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE.
THESE CELEBRITIES NEED TO START
PUTTING THINGS UP TO SUPPORT
BECAUSE HERE’S THE DEAL.
THEY MIGHT START LOOKING AT WHO
IS ON THE LIST, YOU KNOW, AND
YOU KNOW WHAT, OH, THIS GUY HAS
BEEN ARRESTED 17 TIMES?
YEAH, HE IS NOT A CANDIDATE.
OPPOSED TO THIS PERSON, WHO HAS
NEVER HAD A VIOLENT OFFENSE BUT
SEEMS TO BE AT THE WRONG PLACE
AT THE WRONG TIME, UNPAID
TRAFFIC, WHATEVER, HAD A
WARRANT, THAT IS THE GUY YOU
HELP OUTCOME OF THE NONVIOLENT,
THE GUYS WHO ARE NOT ROBBING AND
PILLAGING.
BUT THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY
FOR VIRTUE SIGNALING.
THEY JUST SHUT DOWN ONE CHAPTER
FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
THEY WILL CHANGE THE NAME AND
SHOW UP SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND THAT
IS NOT -- THEY WILL GO -- BUT
OVERALL, JOHN LEGEND IS NOT
MEANT TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR
THIS.
HE IS NOT GOING TO HAVE TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR THIS.
>> Sean: SUED FOR $15,000 --
>> Tyrus: THEY HAVE INSURANCE
FOR THAT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
VIRTUE SIGNALING HAS TO HAVE A
PRICE TAG ON IT.
IF YOU’RE GOING TO SUPPORT THESE
REFORMS, THEN YOU NEED TO BE
HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR NAME ON
IT TO TAKE THE CREDIT, LOOK AT
ALL OF THE GOOD I HAVE DONE,
LOOK AT ALL OF THE PEOPLE I HAVE
HELPED.
OH, FOUR THOSE PEOPLE DID
HORRIBLE THINGS?
THAT’S ON ME.
>> Sean: YOU SHOULD HAVE A
BILLBOARD.
KATIE COME IT SEEMS LIKE
DEMOCRATS HAVE A CESSPOOL OF BAD
IDEAS.
NO BAIL IN NEW YORK, NO BAIL IN
NEW NEW JERSEY, CRIME HAS
SKYROCKETED, THOSE POLICIES HAVE
FAILED, WHAT HAS ILLINOIS DONE W
ALL OF THEIR LIBERALS?
DO THE SAME THING BUT GO EVEN
FURTHER, NO CASH BAIL AT ALL.
>> Katie: THEY ARE MAKING A
CHOICE BASED ON THEIR IDEOLOGY.
YOU LOOK AT THE IDEOLOGY OF
THESE SOFT PROSECUTORS.
THEY BELIEVE THAT CRIMINALS HAVE
THESE KINDS OF RIGHTS BECAUSE
THE SYSTEM IN AMERICA, THE
JUDICIAL SYSTEM, HAS FLAWS,
WHETHER IT IS RACISM, OR THERE
IS TOO MUCH FUNDING FOR THE
POLICE, THEY GENUINELY BELIEVE
IT IS AN IDEOLOGY, WHICH IS WHY
YOUR CONTINUUM TO SEE THEM DOING
IT.
THEY DON’T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT
VICTIMS RIGHTS, THEY DON’T CARE
ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
AFFECTED HERE.
THANK GOD THIS PERSON SURVIVED
AFTER BEING SHOT 11 TIMES BUT
THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
HAVE NOT SURVIVED AS A RESULT OF
THIS, PEOPLE WHO ARE SHOCKED ARE
INJURED FOR LIFE AND THEIR LIVES
ARE CHANGED FOREVER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD HERE
OF THE CRIMINAL, HE WAS ARRESTED
IN NOVEMBER 2021 FOR BURGLARY
AND THEFT COMING OUT PEOPLE THAT
WOULD ARGUE IT IS NONVIOLENT
BEHAVIOR THEREFORE HE SHOULD BE
LET ON BOND, NOT HAVE SEVERE
CONSEQUENCES.
IF YOU ALLOW NONVIOLENT CRIMES
ARE CRIMES THAT ARE NOT AS
SERIOUS TO GO UNDETERRED OR
UNPUNISHED, THEY TURN INTO
BIGGER CRIMES LIKE WALKING INTO
A RESTAURANT AND SHOOTING A
WAITER.
IT IS A BROKEN WINDOWS THEORY
THAT WE HAVE SEEN WORK IN A LOT
OF PLACES LIKE NEW YORK CITY
WHEN THERE WAS NOT AS MUCH CRIME
AS THERE IS NOW.
IT IS ALL ABOUT DETERRENCE.
IT IS ALL ABOUT MAKING SURE
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IF THEY COMMIT
CRIMES, WHETHER IT IS NONVIOLENT
OR NOT, THERE IS A PUNISHMENT
FOR IT.
AS YOU SAID, HAVING CONSEQUENCES
FOR PEOPLE, ACTUALLY HAVING SKIN
IN THE GAME, THESE CELEBRITY’S
DO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT,
THEY DON’T CARE IF THE WEIGHT
WHO WORK AT THE RESTAURANT THEY
GO TO HAVE DINNER AT GETS HURT
BECAUSE THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT
THEMSELVES.
>> Tyrus: SOMEBODY BREAKS INTO
A HOUSE, I SAY THAT AFFECTS
PEOPLE, SOMEONE WAS HOME, THERE
WAS POTENTIAL FOR VIOLENCE.
SOMEONE WHO IS SMOKING WEED ON
THE CORNER OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT, THAT IS NOT AFFECTING
ANYONE.
WE START LOOKING AT WHAT WE ARE
SUPPOSED TO DO IS CASE-BY-CASE,
NOT THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN, IT’S
THE CONTENT OF THE CHARACTER
TYPE OF CRIMES.
NONVIOLENT CRIMES.
I AM ALL FOR IT.
I DON’T THINK SOMEONE SMOKING
WEED OR DOING DRUGS SHOULD END
UP -- THERE IS A VICTIM.
IF I STEAL AND DRINK ALL OF HER
WATER, SHE IS A VICTIM.
THEN I SHOULD NOT GET TO GO
FREE.
BUT IF I SLIP SOMETHING IN HER
DRINK, IT IS DIFFERENT.
>> Sean: WE HAVE TO GO.
THAT IS WHY WE HAVE JUDGES AND
DAs, WE GIVE THEM DISCRETION
BECAUSE EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT.