You ever wonder how kids are monitored throughout their school,
especially when they go on bathroom breaks.
It's something that teachers always bugged us about.
You know what, they've solved the problem, and they've generated a new one instead.
Schools in the US have added this new tool to monitor how long Children go to
bathroom breaks.
Not only how long, but where they go.
Let's go to some details.
This thing is called E-hall Pass.
It's a digital system that students have to use to request to leave
their classroom, which takes note of how long they've been away,
including to visit the bathroom.
This has spread into schools around the United States,
hopefully not yours because this is how this thing works.
The system itself works as a piece of software installed on a computer or
a mobile device.
Students request to pass through the software and the teacher then approves it.
The tool promises hall omniscience- >> Omniscience which is,
is pretty scary- >> With the ability to always know who
has a past and who doesn't without asking the student.
That's according to the product's website, here's a,
an image from their site which shows how totally encompassing this whole thing is.
The things they wanna make sure teachers know is happening with these students when
they go on bathroom breaks.
More, admins can then access data collected through the software and
then view a live dashboard showing details on all passes.
E-hall pass can also stop meetups of certain students and
limit the amount of passes going to certain locations.
This website also adds that explicitly mentioning vandalism and
TikTok challenges, gotta knock those out.
There's more, Eduspire, the company that makes e-hallPass told trade
publication EdSurge in March that 1000 schools use the system.
Brian Tvenstrup, president of Speyer told the outlet
that the company's biggest obstacle to selling the product is when
a school isn't culturally ready to make those kinds of changes yet.
See what you think that means.
So [LAUGH] not culturally ready yet.
Now, here's more about how this is getting even scarier.
The system has some resemblance to sort of worker monitoring carried out by amazon,
which tracks how long its staff go to the toilet for and
is used to penalize workers for time off task.
It also highlights how automated tools have led to increased surveillance of
students in schools and employees in places of work.
Now there's over a dozen online petitions as this is called wind of course for
this whole thing to be replaced, maybe not monitor your kids so much.
One of those petitions reads, were expected to be young adults and
by this E-HP system taking place this year,
we have a great amount of freedom and independence being taken away.
Many students that attend indie have come together and
decided to petition against this new system that has been created.
We as the students feel as if we're being watched and monitored at all times
throughout our school day, which is extremely uncomfortable.
So Jake, you guys can't meet up.
You guys can't be in that particular bathroom,
you can't be in that other hallway.
And in fact, you've been there for 45 seconds.
Where is the urine?
>> Yeah, so first of all, Fauci and Bill Gates are gonna put chips in our heads and
they're gonna track us, why we're tracked all the time
through these corporations that you guys love so much in the right wing?
Why would they even need to put a chip in- >> We keep
>> Yeah [LAUGH].
And then, but I got to give the schools credit.
They're finally doing job training.
They say they don't [CROSSTALK].
>> There it is, okay.
Amazon's gonna track how long you spend in the bathroom.
Now, the school's tracking how long you spend in the bathroom.
Thank God, the one thing I really need, I got two young kids in school and nine and
12 years old, but I don't know how long you spend in the bathroom.
And this is the thing that I got to know.
>> what kind of parent are you Jake?
>> Yeah. You don't know the exact length of
their pee.
>> Yeah, I'm glad there's an app, so
that someone could make a lot of money off of this junk.
That's actually super counterproductive and takes away our privacy, so
that you could tell teachers later we ran out of money and
you're gonna have to buy the books for the kids.
>> Peeing, there's an app for that.
I mean, this is insane.
They've never gotten hall passes, right?
Because now, even the way this is gonna work is the old school way they did.
It was just the arbitrary, you wanna go pee?
Sure, grab the hall pass.
There was always some random object the teacher had an eraser,
a paperweight, a wooden whale.
So you had to go pee holding the same object.
Everybody else held flawed system right there.
How about just say, can I go to the bathroom and say, okay,
maybe mark down the time if they're taking too long.
So now they're going phones with it.
So now the kids are gonna get in trouble for pulling out their phone during class,
sorry, I was not texting.
I was just asking if I can go number two, is that all right?
I mean, they just can't,
how about just run a class where you have the respect of the students.
If you got a track and put on a little piece of paper, be like,
he goes to the bathroom every day for 30 minutes, that's excessive.
Let's talk about that.
That's your solution.
>> I'm glad you brought up that way because number one, actually,
the hall passes were always something wooden
because they needed something that's brown.
But you couldn't tell what just saying.
I thought about that as a 12 year, I was like, Why?
Anyways, I was like, I don't wanna touch this.
Number two there, okay, say you have more troublesome kids in class because
their kids who like to go in the hallway and and do their shenanigans.
How do you monitor that though or keep them from being out in the hallway,
missing the class and
they come back in and they're failing tests and I'm not a good teacher anymore.
What's the best way though?
I mean, I disagree with this whole electronic monitoring but
then there could be people that said, well what the hell, come on?
>> Yeah, look it's called being an administrator teacher etc.
It's not like these are new problems.
We've dealt with these for decades.
Because you know why sometimes kids like in the old days,
I don't know if they still do it.
It would smoke in the back, okay?
They smoke in the bathroom, they would make out in the bathroom,
whatever they were doing, okay?
Shenanigans have existed for a long time.
We're not saying, let's the shenanigans, shenanigans go, let them go nuts, let
him smoke and make out at the same time and never come back from the bathroom, no,
we used to as Ben said they would know bobby takes an awfully long time.
>> Yeah, one person goes at once.
You allow one person to go until they come back except for
rare emergencies when a guy is jumping up and down saying,
I really gotta feel like right now, maybe make an exception.
You just use human judgment,
draconian tracking of students movements is not the way to make them school more.
They already find school to be very restrictive.
And that to me is the biggest problem in general with our education system.
It's always just been this very punitive vibe.
Always school never makes it like here you're gonna be at school,
it may as well make the most that we're gonna teach you how to build life skills.
They never take a day at the beginning of each semester to explain context.
Here's why you're gonna learn what you're gonna learn.
Here's how it'll help in your life.
It's just from minute one, here's your syllabus.
You have to read 42 books, take 80 seven tests, if you miss one of them,
you're gonna fail, your life is over.
How about just get students to opt in, get them excited about it and
then you get a culture that's a lot more chill and
a lot more of students being enthusiastic about their education.
You do the same with breaks.
You just have a policy that's common sense.
You can go not every day, not for a long time, not multiple at once.
There's somebody monitoring the halls, anyway.
We don't have to put trackers on them.
>> Yeah, in fact we love our members,
we do the show with you guys pickled Narwhal wrote in on twitch.
So like an ankle bracelet for school kids.
Yeah, pretty much.
So this is what I hate about it.
There's a couple of components here.
One is, the needless invasion of our privacy over and over and
over and over again.
And then two is making school feel like a prison.
We're tracking you.
Where are you going?
You spent 35 seconds in the bathroom.
That's it, you're in trouble, okay?
Where are you now, my God, you went into the yard for a second.
We caught you beep beep beep beep, beep, beep, beep beep.
That's the sound of the system's gonna make.
Yeah, you took too long.
You took too long.
Why haven't you done it or they already know?
Okay, so- >> Here's a good barometer how you can
know if the system you're suggesting for Children at school is good or not.
If it's something that has been used to punish Andy Dick,
maybe don't do it for school Children, ankle bracelet, vibes, maybe not the move.
You know what I mean? You gotta earn that.
>> And finally come back to the reason why this even exists.
Okay.
Money.
Somebody thought of this idea.
Why don't we track the kids and then I guarantee you they grease some politicians
and this and that along the way and then all of a sudden everybody, so
I'm getting a piece of the action hero.
That's gonna help my reelection to get a little contribution from these guys.
All right. Give me 50 bucks and
I'll put it in the schools and you'll get, you know, five million bucks.
And because otherwise, I mean at a bare minimum,
it's totally unknown necessary, especially when we can't buy the kids books.
Right? That's the thing.
But somebody's making serious bucks off of this and that's why it exists.
The teachers have to buy their own pencils and crayons for the kids because we've
invested a bunch to know exactly how long they piece we can get.
P time averages.
That's the important priority in America's education system.
The only thing maybe this just did just pop in my head.
I maybe would be in for of a tracking system like this for Congress.
That's not a bad idea.
I'd like to see where they're going, what they're spend their time doing.
Yeah.
Yeah. Well, you know what?
We got a deal.
I'll let you track the kids.
We attract the congress members.
I guarantee that.
Well, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't know that we need it.
I don't know that we need it.
They always complain that the body that no one likes monitor.
Okay