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>> HE SAID HE WAS ATTACKED BY
MAGA COUNTRY.
THAT IS AN EMBARRASSMENT, NOT
ONLY TO CHICAGO, THAT IS AN
EMBARRASSMENT TO OUR COUNTRY.
>> Martha: LAST NIGHT IN
MICHIGAN, PRESIDENT TRUMP
WEIGHING IN ON THE JUSSIE
SMOLLETT SAGA, SAYING THE FBI
AND DOJ WILL "REVIEW" WITHE THE
CASE WAS DROPPED.
WHY SOME LAWMAKERS ACCUSED HIM
OF BEING A RACIST, THE
CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS
SAYING "IT ONLY SIGNALS HIS
COMPLICITY.
WHERE WAS HIS CALL FOR AN
INVESTIGATION WHEN WHITE
NATIONALISTS MARCHED ACROSS THE
CAMPUS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF
VIRGINIA?"
CHICAGO MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL
SLAMMING THE PRESIDENT, CLAIMING
HE IS THE REASON THAT SMOLLETT
ALLEGEDLY FAKED HIS HATE CRIME.
>> LET ME BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT
SOMETHING.
THE ONLY REASON JUSSIE SMOLLETT
THOUGHT HE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF A HOAX AROUND THE HATE CRIME
IS THE TOXIC ENVIRONMENT THAT
DONALD TRUMP CREATED PAIRED
>> Martha: HERE NOW, BEN
SHAPIRO, EDITOR IN CHIEF OF "THE
DAILY WIRE" AND AUTHOR OF THE
BOOK "THE RIGHT SIDE OF
HISTORY," A NUMBER ONE
"NEW YORK TIMES" BEST SELLER.
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE NEW BOOK,
GOOD TO SEE YOU TONIGHT.
>> GREAT TO SEE YOU TOO.
>> Martha: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF
THE WOMAN FROM THE CONGRESSIONAL
BLACK CAUCUS AND RAHM EMANUEL
SAYING THIS KIND OF THING, THIS
JUSSIE SMOLLETT THING, WOULDN'T
BE HAPPENING IF IT WEREN'T FOR
THE TENSIONS THAT EXIST IN THIS
COUNTRY THANKS TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP?
>> THAT'S OBVIOUSLY UNTRUE.
WE HAVE SEEN RACIAL HOAXES
BEFORE, GOING BACK TO AL
SHARPTON IN THE 1980s.
THE STORY AS THERE IS AN ACTOR
WHO WANTED TO INCREASE HIS PAY
ACCORDING TO THE CHICAGO POLICE
DEPARTMENT, AND SO HE DECIDED TO
PERPETUATE A RACIAL HOAX WITH
HALF THE COUNTRY IN THE PROCESS
BELIEVING IT WOULD MAKE A MORE
POPULAR AND MARKETABLE,
PARTICULARLY WITH HOLLYWOOD
BEARD HE DIDN'T MIND IF HE
SLANDERED THE CHICAGO POLICE
DEPARTMENT, RAHM EMANUEL, THE
CITY OF CHICAGO.
REPRESENTATIVE SAYING THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN'T
INVESTIGATE CHARLOTTESVILLE,
THAT'S NOT TRUE, THE DO DATE THE
DOJ DID AN INVESTIGATION.
>> Martha: HOSTING NAACP
AWARDS COMMAND AT THAT CEREMONY,
PREVIOUSLY NOMINATED JUSSIE
SMOLLETT FOR AN AWARD YOU'RE
HERE'S WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT
THAT.
>> I HOPE HE WINS.
I'M HAPPY FOR HIM.
THAT THE SYSTEM WORKED FOR HIM,
IN HIS FAVOR.
BECAUSE THE SYSTEM ISN'T ALWAYS
FAIR.
ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR.
TO BE ON ITS INTEREST IN, HE
WORKED FOR HIM COME IN HIS
FAVOR, BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS AND
ALWAYS FARED.
THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO READ
INTO THAT STATEMENT.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE HE SANG INTO
VIVID SOCIAL JUSTICE SHOULD
TRUMP INDIVIDUAL JUSTICE.
JUSSIE SMOLLETT HAPPY TO BE
BLACK AND GAY.
ACCORDING TO THE PROSECUTOR'S
OFFICE THAT DeMENT DISMISS THE
CHARGES, HE IS GUILTY, BUT IT
LOOKS LIKE IT IS PAYBACK FOR THE
SYSTEM NOT WORKING FOR OTHER
PEOPLE.
THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL VIOLATION
OF JUSTICE, THEY SHOULD DO THE
TIME IF THEY DO THE CRIME.
>> Martha: HE IS SAYING HE WAS
A VICTIM OF A HATE CRIME, SO I
WANT TO KNOW WHY HE IS NOT
PRESSING FOR AN INVESTIGATION
INTO WHAT HAPPENED.
HIS LAWYERS THAT IT'S POSSIBLE
THAT THE BROTHERS THAT WE SAW
MORE MAY BE WEARING WHITE FACE
UNDERNEATH THE MASK THAT LED
JUSSIE SMOLLETT TO THINK IT WAS
A WHITE PERSON ASSAULTING HIM.
I MEAN, IT GETS CRAZIER.
>> MY THEORY OF THE CRIME AS IT
WAS ACTUALLY VIRGINIA
GOVERNOR RALPH NORTHAM DRESSED
IN WHITE FACE OVER BLACKFACE.
THAT'S MY THEORY.
WE ARE MOVING ALONG, "THE
ECONOMIST" CAME AFTER YOU,
TALKING ABOUT YOUR BOOK, THEY
DID AN INTERVIEW WITH YOU ON THE
BOOK, WHICH TALKS A LOT ABOUT
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY
COME ABOUT JUDEO-CHRISTIAN
VALUES AND GREEK TRADITION, AND
SUBJECTIVISM AND INDIVIDUALISM,
AND BASICALLY THE DEGRADING OF
WESTERN SOCIETY AND THE
SOCIAL AND POLITICAL FABRIC OF
THE COUNTRY, VERY INTERESTING.
DIGGING INTO WHAT YOUR BOOK IS
ABOUT.
BUT THEY CALLED YOU THE
ALT-RIGHT SAGE WITHOUT THE RAGE,
AND THEN THEY WENT BACK AND
CHANGED IT TO "INSIDE THE MIND
OF BEN SHAPIRO, A RADICAL
CONSERVATIVE."
WHAT THEY YOU?
>> THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A
REGULAR CONSERVATIVE.
IT'S LIKE BETO O'ROURKE, I'M
RAD, DUDE.
WITH AMAZING ABOUT IT, TO BE
IGNORANT ENOUGH TO CALL ME A
MEMBER OF THE ALT-RIGHT WHEN
I'VE BEEN THE LEADING ANTAGONIST
OF THE ALT-RIGHT, THEIR NUMBER
ONE TARGET ONLINE ACCORDING TO
THE ADL, I DO HIRE SECURITY TO
WALKING BACK AND FORTH TO THE
SYNAGOGUE BECAUSE OF THE
ALT-RIGHT.
TO LABEL ME THAT, IT'S THE
IGNORANCE OR THE MALICE OF THE
MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA WHO DON'T
WANT TO DO A SIMPLE GOOGLE
SEARCH.
>> Martha: THERE IS DEFINITELY
A FASCINATION WITH YOU, WHEN YOU
READ THIS ARTICLE, TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT WHY ARE YOU ARE
POPULAR, WHY DO KIDS ON COLLEGE
CAMPUSES CARE WHAT YOU HAVE TO
SAY, HOW YOU ARE IMPECCABLY
DRESSED AND SHARP IN EVERY WAY.
>> OBVIOUSLY IT IS BECAUSE OF MY
HANDSOMENESS AND PHYSICAL SIZE,
AND VERY INTIMIDATING, AND
PEOPLE ARE ATTRACTED TO ME THE
SAME WAY THEY WOULD TO
TOM CRUISE, IT IS JUST WHO I AM.
THAT'S WHAT MY WIFE TELLS ME,
ANYWAY.
>> Martha: AS SHE SHOULD.
ERIC HOLDER SAID, I WISH WE
COULD GO BACK -- THE PRESIDENT
WANTS TO GO BACK TO WHEN AMERICA
WAS GREAT, AND HE SEES THAT AS A
RACIST ASSESSMENT IN THE
PRESIDENT TSAI'S.
YOU TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF WHAT
MAKES AMERICA GREAT IN YOUR
BOOK.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO HIM ABOUT
THAT COMMENT?
>> THERE ARE TWO VIEWS OF THE
UNITED STATES, VIEW NUMBER ONE
IS THE UNITED STATES IS
ETERNALLY TRUE AND IMMUTABLE AND
GOOD PRINCIPLES.
WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS LIVED UP TO
THOSE PRINCIPLES, BUT THE
FOUNDATIONAL PHILOSOPHY OF THE
COUNTRY IS INHERENTLY GOOD AND
ROOTED IN HUMAN NATURE AND
NATURAL LAW AND GOD'S CREATION.
THAT IS WHAT AMERICAN PHILOSOPHY
IS ABOUT.
IT'S A JOB TRYING TO EXPAND THAT
PROMISE TO ALL AMERICANS.
AND THEN THERE IS THE VIEW OF
ERIC HOLDER, THAT IT WAS FOUNDED
ON RACIAL HIERARCHY AND ALL OF
THESE IDEAS OF WESTERN
CIVILIZATION ARE ESSENTIALLY A
FACADE IN FAVOR OF PERPETUATING
THE EVIL POWER HIERARCHY.
IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, YOU HAVE
TO RIP UP AMERICAN CIVILIZATION
AT ITS ROOTS.
I DON'T THINK MOST AMERICANS
BELIEVE THAT.
I THINK MOST AMERICANS BELIEVE
AMERICA HAS BEEN GREAT IN THE
PAST, NO POINT AT WHICH AMERICA
WAS BETTER ACROSS THE BOARD FOR
EVERYBODY GOOD WAS AMERICA NOT
GREAT WHEN WE LIBERATED EUROPE?
WHEN MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. WAS
SPEAKING IN WASHINGTON?
WHEN WE WERE DEFEATING THE
SOVIET UNION IN THE COLD WAR OR
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