- Right here on the table we have two new CPUs
introducing the Threadripper lineup from AMD.
This is the 2920X with its 12 cores
and 24 threads coming in at $650 US
or if you're in Australia, 1,019 AUD.
Comes with a base clock of 3.5 gigahertz
and the turbo of 4.3 gigahertz.
And then they've got the 2970 WX.
24 cores, 48 threads coming in at $1,300 US
or in Australia 2,040 AUD with a base clock
of three gigahertz on all cores
and turbos up to 4.2 gigahertz.
However, how do these compare against the current stack
of Threadripper chips out there?
Namely, the 2950X with its 16 cores
and 32 threads and also the 2990WX
with its 32 cores in 64 threads.
Well today we're going to take these
four Threadripper CPUs and compare it
against the 2700X and also the 9900K
and the 79ATXE and also overclock them to
what I consider generalized overclock levels
to find out how well they perform
in both productivity and gaming benchmarks.
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And right here on the test bench we are using
Asrock boards across the whole lineup
whether it be the fatality or gaming lineup
on the X399 specifically we use the fatality gaming board
with a quad-channel memory with 32 gigabytes
of flair X, 32 hundred megahertz, CL 14 timings.
On the dual channel configuration we still used the same
four sticks but of course it will be in dual channel
configuration we use the Nanomax cooler
on the Threadripper chips and then for the Corsair chips
we use the H15I pro.
Anyway, pulling up those productivity scores first
for you guys, we have the blender results showing
what the best-case scenario for the Threadripper chips
can be in an application that can utilize all those cores
and threads within 2990WX coming out in front
followed by the 2970WX Intel's chip, the 7980XE
still is performing quite well slotting into the results
quiet nicely but I feel like the 2920X
and also the 2950X kind of represent a bit better value
for money here and then of course the 9900K
and also 2700X still doing very well.
Moving across now to Adobe Premiere Pro
which does paint a different picture
which is going to be important in the conclusion
of today's video because we can see here
that the Intel CPUs are winning in terms
of their core and thread count.
This is because Intel have put money into Adobe
for them to optimize their software
for Intel CPUs, AMD CPUs are still yet to catch up
with the 2950X pretty much being the max utilization
of cores and threads here after this,
the 24 core and also the 32 core WX variants
don't really take advantage of those extra quart
and thread counts.
So essentially, if you're buying one of these WX chips
for the Adobe suite you'd be wasting
your money in my opinion.
Then move over to CineBench
which is the multi-threaded benchmark,
showcases the max theoretical performance
of these chips, 2990WX does do very well
then the 297WX and also the other Threadripper chips
do scale in tandem to the amount of cores
and threads they have.
Moving right across to the single threaded benchmarks.
This is where the Intel chips do pull ahead,
especially in the case of the 9900K
with its higher single-threaded clock speed
as well as a slightly better IPC.
And then moving across to V-ray,
another CPU simulated benchmark,
this is where the Threadripper also the WX
and even the X variants do score very well
in relation their core and thread counts
with the 2990WX coming out on top followed by the 2970WX.
And then on to the last of the benchmarks here
which does paint an important picture in relation
to the WX versus the X chips
and this is the compression benchmark
where we can see the 2950X and also the 2920X
pulled ahead of the higher core
and thread-count WX brothers and this is
because they both utilize quad channel memory
and in the case of the WX chips they link the dies together
at least two channels off a two die as opposed
to the X variants which leads two channels off of one die
so we can see here the memory is a limiting factor
on the WX in certain benchmarks and it can be
to the point where actually bottlenecks the WX chips
and they perform less than the lower core
and thread-count variants.
This has to do with the higher core counting threads
being hungry for that information
but being limited to the amount of data they can pull
through the memory itself.
The Intel chips and also the 2700X do quite well
in this benchmark and then we move over
to the decompression benchmarks and this is
where I feel the 2970WX does very well.
Where the extra cores and threads on the 2990WX
don't do as well in relation to the 2970WX.
So it is good to see the 24 core 48 threaded chip
doing very well in this benchmark
as well as the Threadripper and AMD chips
in general pulling some really high numbers.
So now we finished the productivity benchmarks,
we'll quickly sum up what's happening here.
The WX chips are mainly for specific applications
that can utilize all those cores and all those threads
and that quad-channel memory isn't going to limit
all those calls and all those threads.
So if you're this person looking for this CPU
and you know you can utilize that extra power
then one of these CPUs will represent good value
for money but I feel like for most people,
especially power users whether you're using the Adobe suite
or you're streaming gaming and doing a lot of tasks
at the same time, I feel like the 2950X does represent
the best value here and I feel like the 2920X here
and also the 2970WX for that matter
are a little bit overshadowed
by their higher core count variant brothers
which scale in a linear price range
so you're not getting rewarded for having
those cut-down cores on the Threadripper dies
in this case, usually when it comes to CPUs
that are at the absolute top and have that flagship CPU
they usually command a premium
for getting the most performance out of them
and ultimately when we compare this linear pricing structure
of the 2920X to the 2950X and also the 2970WX
to the 2990WX I feel like you're not getting rewarded
for missing out on those cut-down dies
and that usually you get a discount
whether it be a GPU or a CPU in the case of,
for instance an RX570 versus an RX580
you're getting a more of a discount
but you're not getting the performance cut
that you would in that price differential,
if this is making any sense?
And then we've got the other costs associated
with that as well, the X399 boards, the coolers
and all that other jazz which then brings
the total build cost in favor of getting the 2950X
or getting the 2990WX.
And then of course we have the Intel counterparts
which we'll talk about that later in the conclusion
after we rolled the gaming benchmarks.
First up here we had CS:GO 1080p lowest settings,
this is mainly for competitive gamers
who need a ridiculously high draw frame
and they don't mind playing at low res.
Apparently that helps them see enemies easier
and so in this case the 9900K is doing the best here
but all the other chips are still doing very well
you're gonna be able to competitively game
on all these chips shown in the graph
and then when we move it up to 1440p
we can see the results really come down
to a small differential here and now if you're like me
and you like playing with higher graphical settings
on higher res monitors and want to enjoy yourself
then it's not really gonna matter which CPU you pick
out of this bunch.
Move it to an Assassin's Creed Origins
however does paint a little bit of a different scenario
where the 2700X out of AMD's lineup is performing the best
and then the Threadripper chips don't do as well.
The Intel CPUs are coming out in top
of the 9900K coming out best here
and then move it to 1440p just like CS:GO saw the difference
being cut down yet again.
And then moving over to the Dota 2,
probably one of the most competitive games
with the biggest prize pool in terms of tournaments
getting high FPS here is pretty important
but the game is capped at 240 FPS so what we saw
at 1080p lower settings was the 9900K doing well
and also all the other chips were doing very well too
and then go into 1440p the RTX2080TI was not being held back
pretty much at all besides some 1% lows
which did throw out the numbers just
by a little bit compared to 1080p lower settings
but it is important to note that these differences again
are on a 2018TI which is pretty much
the best gaming graphics card out there,
not to mention it's the Strix model
which does perform very well.
Anyway the last of the gaming benchmarks is GTA 5
where at 1080p lower settings the numbers
on the 9900K with such high FPS actually effects
this to the point where it's apparently breaking the engine
of the game and that causes the 1% loads to be lower
due to induce stuttering.
The other chips here do very well,
very smooth experience, scoring better 1% lows
then move over to 1440p highest settings
we see the differences are cut down dramatically
to the point where you're gonna have a good experience
on all of these CPUs regardless of what GPU you have.
And now here we are with conclusion time
with the four Threadripper chips on the table
also some Intel counterparts.
When will you want to go with AMD,
when will you want to go with Intel?
Well as we've seen with the graphs and then we look
at the pricing structure, the AMD Threadripper chips
represent phenomenal value for money through and through.
Then you will look at the Intel counterparts
that do have their merits as well.
If you're looking for something that it'll do well
in the Adobe suite or if you're looking for something
that it's going to be the best competitive gaming CPU
then the 7980XE and also the 9900K are going to do very well
but they are expensive chips,
at least compared to the AMD counterparts
but when we look at the 2920X and the 2970WX we can see
that they're stuck in this weird juxtaposition compared
to the other chips, their big brothers namely,
in their pricing structure and this is
what sort of puts me off a little bit with these chips.
I mean if you know that you need this amount of cores
and this amount of threads for that application
and you're going to utilize this value for money
out of these chips then go for it
but if you're looking for sort the best in slot CPU
for your X399 board then I'd rather go with the 2950X
or the 2990WX, that's just my opinion
but because you don't get a discount
with the 2920X or the 2970WX for losing those cores
and threads, it's in a linear pricing structure
and since you're already getting a motherboard
and a big cooler and a power supply and all that other jazz,
I think you would be better suited in my opinion
with going with that bigger brother and getting
that better performance whether it be the best
in slot quad channel memory 16 core chip,
the 2950X or the best in slot 32 core,
64 threaded AMD 2990WX.
They're my two choices coming out of this
and then there may be the argument of,
well I need more PCIe lanes and they offer 64 PCIe lanes
which is a great benefit of the Threadripper chips
but if you need that many PCA lanes and you don't care
for the performance of the CPU too much
then the 1900X still represents phenomenal value
for money, that's coming in at under $400 US
and still gives you access to all those PCIe lanes
so that may be a CPU that you may wish to consider
if you need that 64 lanes of PCI usage
but throwing another curve ball into this conclusion,
makes it a little bit difficult here
because the 2920X I do like it if you are
into a placeholder CPU.
For instance if you can pick up a cheap X399 board
that's still a very good quality and you want to hold out
for the 7 nanometer chips,
then this 12 core 24 threaded CPU definitely could be
for you I do like it in that sense,
it's the cheapest 2000-series chip
and in my opinion I like the CPUs
on the 2000 lineup whether it be Ryzen or Threadripper,
a lot more than the 1000 series.
I think AMD has done a great job in reducing the latencies
so that may be one reason why you'd want to go
with the 2920WX chip if you are in the market for it.
But when we compare them to the Intel counterparts,
AMD Threadripper and also Ryzen chips
represent phenomenal value for money through and through
but one more elephant in the room I guess,
people are going to bring up,
is the overclocking on these chips.
When it comes to workstations and overclocking,
I have my workstation here it's overclocked,
I over clock it in the winter, the summer, it doesn't matter
I always get stable over clocks because I've got good gear
and I know how to get those stable over clocks
without inducing crashing on my machines.
But anyway in the case of today's video I took these CPUs
to what I consider safe and decent over clocks
and they're generalized overclock
and maybe the 9900K is a little bit aggressive
at five gigahertz, but keep in mind,
this is stable and what I've got here
is apparently a silicon loser and at least
when I compare it to what other people are getting
but regardless, that aside if you are on a workstation
and you are a single end-user
then I recommend overclocking, people have critiqued me
in the comments and laughed at me even
for having a workstation that's overclocked
but I've been using this thing and all my rigs before it
in the last few years and they've all been overclocked
and I've managed to get 4k videos done day in day out
and the benefits of overclocking versus not overclocking
has saved me a lot of time so I'd recommend it to anyone,
if you have good gear and you can take some time out
to learn the settings which will end up saving you
a lot of time in the long run,
especially if you wish to keep these CPUs for a few years.
But do keep in mind of course the negative of overclocking
is that you will get increased power consumption
and as we can see with all these seven chips
that we've tested here today the power consumption
does go up with overclocking and in the case
of the WX chips they do start to balloon out a bit
so you will want to get a really good cooler,
really good power supply and really good motherboard
if you do wish to overclock any of these chips
seen on the desk here.
I'd say the 2700X is sort of an exception,
you can get this out of the box with a B350 motherboard
even to very good levels and it won't use a whole lot
of power anyway in a nutshell,
I do like the 2920X and also the 2970WX,
I just feel like they're a little bit overshadowed
by the linear pricing structure.
For instance I would like to see the 2920X dropped
from $650 US to say 600 or even $550 US
and then the 2970WX from 1,300 to $1,200 US.
I think this would represent a great value
for money proposition and would reward people
for taking the cut down dies and getting
that extra value for money.
Anyway, let me know in the comment section below
which chip would you go for out of the Threadripper lineup
or would you just go with the 2700 extra or 9900K.
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