A struggle to control the
ongoing chaos
at college campuses
across the United States.
This was the scene
just a little while ago
in Madison, Wisconsin,
as police and protesters clashed
at the University of Wisconsin.
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According to the student newspaper,
Campus police gave protesters
some 15 minutes to remove their tents.
It's not clear
if any arrests have been made.
I want to bring in our CNN security
correspondent, Josh Campbell.
He's in Los Angeles
on the campus of UCLA, where protesters
and counterprotesters
actually clashed overnight
and the LAPD was called in.
Josh,
we've seen a shift in the efforts
by colleges
over the last 24 hours around the country
trying to regain control
of their campuses
by calling in the police.
What are you seeing
as this effort moves forward?
I don't know if Josh is hearing me.
Josh, he was having some audio issues.
I didn't hear your question there.
But obviously we've been talking about
these protests that have been happening,
particularly particular this morning.
This incident at the University
of Wisconsin
in Madison,
where you saw authorities move
and start disassembling
one of the many protest camps
that we've seen at various universities
across the United States.
Police moving in.
You saw some confrontations
with protesters
there on this video
where they were locking arms,
pushing against police, the police
and pushing against them.
This is all part of an escalation
that we've seen at various
campuses, different universities
handling these protests very differently.
But, of course,
we saw recently
at the University of Texas
at Austin,
for example, police there
moving in as this small camp was set up.
Authorities not wanting that
to grow to a larger encampment.
And of course, overnight at Columbia
University, after days,
we saw police eventually move in there.
That ending, thankfully,
you know, quite peacefully.
And of course, where we are right now
here at UCLA.
You see a large police presence
here on stand by.
And our colleague Stephanie
Elam is going to talk about
what happened here overnight.
But we're seeing a lot more
forceful posture from law enforcement.
Of course, it's yet to be seen
what happens at this university
with this encounter Wolf.
All right, Josh, I want
you to stand by for us.
We're going to get back to you
in a few moments.
But right now,
I want to bring in Lindsay Dubin.
She's a student
at the University
of Wisconsin in Madison.
Lindsey, thanks very much for joining us.
You were there.
You saw what was going on.
Tell us what you saw.
Yeah.
So I received a text this morning
that the police were moving in
to remove the encampment.
And I
quickly got out of bed
and went to go watch what was happening.
And at first, you know, it was people
berating the police with insults,
but it hadn't gotten too crazy yet.
But as you know, more tents were removed
and a couple of people were detained.
Things got a little bit more violent.
And yeah,
I started to move back
and it's it's heartbreaking.
It really is.
It certainly is.
What's the situation,
Lindsay, like there now?
Well, I went back to my apartment,
but the police have gone
as far as as far as I can tell, they left
and there's one can still there
and a bunch of protesters
and the protest goes on.
How long was the protest encampment
at the University of Wisconsin in Madison
in place?
It's been two days.
And how do you think
the university has handled
this situation?
I don't think there's
really a right way to go about this.
Even if you consider these laws unjust.
I'm case
that civil disobedience requires
that the individuals
who break the laws
willingly accept
the consequences of doing so.
I mean, we're in college now.
We're adults.
And there are policies
and laws in place to protect unions.
And when you break those laws,
you have to accept the consequences.
I want to bring in CNN's Stephanie Elam.
She's on the campus of UCLA,
and that's in Los Angeles.
Stephanie, it was a violent night there.
Pretty shocking.
Where do things stand now?
Much calmer at this time of day, Wolf.
And I just want to show you, though,
you can still see
what's left over of
what happened last night.
Starting closer
to midnight here on the campus.
And I can tell you,
I was here all day yesterday
and it was fairly calm.
We saw a few people
yelling over the barricades,
but that's it.
But do you see there's
this barricade here,
then there's this walkway
and there's that barricade.
What the video
we saw from last night shows
it looks like people from this side
were pulling on the barricades.
There were throwing things
into the
Palestinian pro-Palestinian camp
on that side there.
We did see some sort of liquid
being shot back out from that side.
There.
But it did seem like
they were trying to destroy
and pull away the plywood from this side.
There was security
that was in this entire area
that was trying to put
the barricades back in place.
But this is where
a lot of the students had questions
about where was law enforcement.
In fact,
the Daily Bruin,
the school newspaper,
the student journalists
writing today
that they think UCLA is complicit
because even though they said yesterday,
the chancellor said that
there would be more security on campus,
this went on for a while on campus
before law enforcement arrived.
And we did see that
Mayor Karen Bass put out a statement
calling it
abhorrent,
what she was seeing here on campus
and then we saw law enforcement
trying to make their way onto campus
after 1 a.m.
And then in that time,
there were still some people
out here protesting.
We watched them put up a wall,
pushed people out.
Much calmer now, but still unclear, Wolf,
what this means going forward today
as far as this encampment,
which obviously is still here.
We'll be watching it together with you.
Stephanie, thank you very much.
I want to go back to CNN's Josh Campbell.
He's also out there at UCLA for us.
Tell us more, Josh,
about the law enforcement
response at UCLA.
Well, it's a
lot quieter here right now, Wolf,
obviously, than we saw overnight
with some of those stunning images
of what was taking place
just behind me at this encampment
where you saw fireworks.
You saw, obviously, those clashes.
This is the
copy today of the Daily Bruin.
You see this encampment and fireworks
going off.
Unclear if there were any injuries.
It's worth pointing out, as our colleague
Elizabeth Joseph noted, that
so much of the great information
we're getting
is from student journalists.
Some of these newspapers
have been in business for over 100 years
doing critical
reporting to include
about what law enforcement is doing,
what they're not doing.
Right now, you can see
it's just kind of a wait
and see approach.
Right now, the university
president has deemed this encampment
to be unlawful, quote, unquote.
It's unclear if there will be
simply academic penalties
or if authorities will actually go in.
But as we pan over,
you can see multiple agencies here
from the California Highway Patrol,
the UCLA Police Department.
You have Los Angeles
Police Department, the sheriff,
a line of cars here.
Again,
this is much different than what happened
as it's just kicked off overnight.
And that's really one of the criticisms
that we've been hearing.
There were private security guards
that were here on site,
but you didn't see this robust
law enforcement posture,
which is obviously worth noting,
particularly what
we've seen in other places
across the country.
If you can see behind me,
this is the encampment right now.
This is where Stephanie
was just a moment ago.
I was talking to
some of the people in there
just a short time ago.
They said there's no plan
that they have right now
to actually leave.
This is a similar posture
we've seen at these encampments
across the country.
Of course, the big question
we're waiting to see
what will law enforcement here do?
Will they actually go in
and clear that encampment
or will this just continue
to be a negotiation of sorts?
We'll have to wait and see, Wolf.