(cards shuffling)
(mouse clicks)
- Oh, do your best impression of me.
It says for both of us to do our best impressions.
- Huh, okay.
- You wanna know my impression of you?
- Why do I, wait.
(laughing)
Why do I just,
I'm thinking of that moment we were in the store
and you made your mac and cheese.
And you were running like,
"I gotta get cheese, gotta get milk!"
And we got to the register like.
- Like Eboni, I don't have money
but I'm really tryin' to make us this mac and cheese.
That was so embarrassing.
- Wow, that came straight.
Okay. - Yeah.
- How do you think I describe our relationship to others?
- (laughs) Well, I was talkin' 'bout,
earlier, I'm like, "Eboni never makes sense."
(laughs) So, I feel like this doesn't make sense,
so, I really don't know what you tell people.
(Eboni laughs)
I have no idea.
When I describe you, I'm just like,
Eboni's just my person that anyone who meets her
or even looks at her I'm like,
"Right, she's the best!"
(Eboni laughs)
I love your ass, I don't know.
You mean everything to me.
- Honestly, I know that.
And you mean the same thing to me, as well.
I actually, whenever I talk about,
specifically communication,
I don't really make sense sometimes
because my mind is so frazzled
and there's so many thoughts coming at the same time.
Right now I'm doin' a good job at talking,
but, usually I don't. - Honestly, I gotta say.
What a fuckin' day.
- Right?
(baby coughs)
- Rude.
- We good?
Okay, she just chokes on her spit every once in awhile.
So, the way I describe our relationship.
The way I describe our relationship is because.
What?
See, now it's happening.
- You got it, you got this.
- The way that I describe our relationship to others
is that you understand me
even when I'm not really making much sense.
When I was filling out the little questionnaire
and I was talking about our relationship,
I realized that we really only had one big fight.
And it was,
it doesn't even matter to go into the detail.
It was the fact of... (baby coos)
No, you know what?
Yeah, I'm gonna go see what it does
as far as holding her.
Let's do that.
A slick one, huh?
I see that.
Tried to drop your pacifier.
- Hi mama!
Hi!
- All right, so do you wanna answer the questions
since you're talkin' so much?
Go 'head. - Are you so excited?
I know you're so excited.
I know you're so excited (laughs)!
It happened in August or September
and then we weren't friends again 'til...
'Til, like, October or something.
Because we had taken a picture together
and we'll talk about that,
but, we had to kiss.
We were in this whole show together
and all this stuff - Word!
Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But, it was just like.
- Damn!
Yeah! - Yeah!
That was crazy.
We had to have a kiss in the middle
of us not talking at all.
We had to do the most intimate thing
in our least intimate time.
- (laughs) Word.
We pulled it off though.
- We did, that shit looked good.
- Yeah, it was a cast party
and we were both pretty drunk
and then we saw each other
and it was like, "Hey!" - I didn't even know I
hung out with you.
- Yeah, I had to tell you after the fact.
I texted you and you were like, "Huh?"
I'm like, we had the most amazing time last night.
Don't you remember (laughs)?
- I was like, well, then I guess I owe you
a whole friendship back
'cause what the fuck.
Yeah, I was thinkin' 'bout
that on the train today.
I was like, it just feels like we don't fight
and we don't misunderstand each other
because it was like all the time we could've taken
and all the time that would be taken from a fight
or an argument
or a misunderstanding
was just all in that time.
- Yeah.
- It was all in that time.
The silence was so loud and just (sighs).
- Yeah.
- And I think us becoming friends
in this almost unconscious state was all I needed to know.
That was all I needed to know.
When you told me we had a great time,
that was all I needed to know.
Of course we did.
Of course we had a great time.
After all of that.
- Yeah, I was like, "Yo, I was dancing like crazy."
you were like, "I know."
- (laughs) I was there with you, man.
- What are you hesitant to ask me about?
Are you hesitant to ask me about anything?
- (laughs) Best to say we've talked about this before.
Relationships, romantic relationships are so hard.
I guess one of those questions that,
I mean, I hope I don't ever have to ask you,
but, let's be realistic.
Relationships are hard.
It's gonna be like, "Should I leave him?
"Where should I go?"
'Cause I know that I'm gonna get the honest answer from you
and if I really sit and explain everything,
it's just like, you know the answer.
- Yeah. - I mean, okay.
- I don't wanna. (laughing)
I don't wanna know--
- I mean, not saying that I know the answer right now
'cause I don't.
I really don't know the answer right now.
But, I know when the time comes
I'm gonna have to go to you
and be like, "What should I do?"
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- Make me feel like Grandmother Tree in "Pocahontas."
- The way you're sitting right now.
- I actually went to a chiropractor.
I have to tell you all about that.
- I need it, yeah.
- I'm old, yo.
- All right.
Fix myself. - I feel like actually,
I am hesitant to talk to you about some things.
- Mm. - I know.
Plot twist, mama.
(laughing)
- Dun, dun, dun. - Ding!
No, but, I feel hesitant to talk
to anybody about just how I've been feeling
regarding transitioning.
- Hm, you're hesitant to talk to me about that?
- Yeah.
- I feel like we've kind of talked about it
but not fully, though.
And I totally support whatever you do.
- I know, I know.
I guess it's not so much I'm afraid
of you rejecting me or anything like that.
It's just,
I guess when you're trans
or when you're queer,
I feel like a lot of times people want you to
be so firm about everything you believe, right?
So, it's cut and dry.
I wanna have this surgery,
I wanna do this,
this is what I wanna look like.
Even one of my doctors at some point was like,
so, what do you want?
How do you see yourself?
Girl, I don't fuckin' know.
You know what I mean?
And I know how I feel.
I know what I've cried about.
I know how I felt for a lot of my life
and that's not fake.
But, I guess, just in the political climate
there's a lot of harsh lines being drawn
between what is what
and I go out and someone's like, "Ew!"
it's just like, "Bitch, ew you."
No, but, really.
It's not so much that
but, I guess, I think about my safety, right?
Walking through the world as a perceived woman,
I know that I'm safe saying, "Eb, don't worry.
"I'll take Zuri to the park."
Me with a beard and titties,
I'd be afraid.
For real.
You know what I'm saying?
And I really, I have a lot of anxiety about that.
I think about someone pushing me off the subway platform
just 'cause they're mean or whatever.
- Yeah.
That's crazy, yeah. - You know,
I think about those things
and that really makes me hesitant
to move forward with anything that I want
'cause I'm just like,
as much as I want this...
- Your safety's more important.
- Yeah, especially,
not for anything, but,
really Zuri means a lot to me.
- Aw!
Oh. (laughing)
Hey!
Come here.
- I just wanna be able to really be there for her.
- Hey, how 'bout you just hold her right now?
You wanna do that?
- Hey, hi, mama.
She's so cute and she was happy.
- Damn.
- But really.
When you decided to have her,
my plans changed, too.
For real.
Anything I do, I think about her.
And I think about you and,
I don't know, it just feels like
not that important in comparison.
- Yeah.
- And not to say, "Thanks a lot!"
(laughing)
- Oh my gosh. - But, it's just.
I guess I am kinda hesitant
to talk about that.
Okay, next question (laughs).
- Ugh, we're gonna talk more about this
when we go home.
- How much could a woodchuck chuck?
(laughing)
- You fuck--
Oh, sorry!
- How do you think our relationship has changed
since I became a mother?
- Mm.
I don't know.
I would say, maybe, we can't hang out as easily
as we could before.
So, that's definitely hard.
I cried, actually, when you had Zuri.
Low key.
Obviously because I was happy.
But, then afterwards,
I don't know, I was so afraid.
I was so afraid when you said you were gonna have her.
I was so afraid for you.
So fearful for you.
And I didn't want you to know that.
And I didn't want to be fearful for you
but I thought, "Man, Eboni really is always in a pickle."
Always it's something,
always it's something.
And it can't be that way.
And I feel like you're just a lot more put together
and there's a lot less room for error
because there's a lot less room for error.
- Yeah. - You know what I mean?
- Yeah.
- So, that's what I see.
- She said yes, there is less room.
- Yes, ma'am.
Less room, ma'am.
- Uh, yeah.
Honestly, it was so nice seeing you come after I gave birth.
- Yeah? - Being there, yes.
- Your family was like,
damn, I thought you were just gonna make the cake
at the baby shower.
Like, no man, I'm in this.
- I'm here.
I'm in this family.
- I may play around and say that's my kid
but, I don't know if they
or you, I don't know if y'all really understand.
It's not a matter of,
let's say I'm in freakin' Europe
and my career's taking off.
If something were to happen to you
or you even needed me for a second,
I would drop all of that.
That's no question.
That's no question for me, really.
But, yeah.
(baby cooing)
(mumbles)
(imitates gun banging)
(lips smacking)
It's us, mama.
Oh, can I please pick a card?
Can I please pick a card?
Let me pick a card.
Let me free (laughs)!
How has your love for me changed over time?
- I think the depth of the love has always been there,
it's just realizing how deep it is.
- Yeah, I don't feel like our love was like a puddle,
and it grew to a pond, to a river.
I think our love is definitely like an ocean
and it's just matter of
swimming more. - Unlocking levels.
Literally. - Yes!
Like "Crash Bandicoot".
- [Both] Yo!
- Yes!
- Can we just (laughs).
It's fine, you don't need it anymore.
It's just too much.
- You're good, mama. - Too much of sweetness!
Yes!
You're too much of sweetness!
- You too much.
(lips smacking)
You wanna take her?
- Yes, please.
- Play hot potato with the baby.
♪ Hot potato, hot potato ♪
- Hi! - Okay.
You wanna take it away?
- Zuri?
- Damn, this question.
Okay, I see (mumbles).
Why.
♪ Why am I in your life? ♪
♪ Why? ♪
No (laughs).
- I mean this in a fake eye-roll way
but, just I have no other choice.
Straight up.
I have no other choice - I'm here!
- then for you to be in my life.
I feel like,
even when we put ourselves in a position
to not talk ever again,
we grew up on totally different sides of the same state.
- Yeah.
- We grew up going through similar interests
and never ran into each other
at some music competition
or some audition
or anything like that.
But, we still found each other.
And even when we put ourselves in the way
to be away... (baby cooing)
(lips smacking) Zuri!
- She was so quiet when she was with you.
- Zuri, come here.
- Why is this the case?
- 'Cause I'm her dad.
'Cause I'm your dad!
- Da-da!
- I think that,
yeah, we just always,
we just always find each other anyway.
- Yeah.
We were so stubborn.
It was just like no.
Be friends. - Yeah.
God was literally like, "Okay, now kiss."
- [Both] Literally.
- Yeah, I never wanna kiss you again in my life.
- (laughs) Word.
- No.
- We joke around about being long distance lovers but--
- We're in love but I would never kiss you, I'm sorry.
You wanna sit on the "Skin Deep" table?
Oh, you quiet.
You're so cool.
All right, we're done with our conversation
but you look so good.
- Yeah.
- You feel cool, Zuri?
♪ I'm every woman ♪
♪ It's all in me ♪
♪ Everything ♪
- Everything (laughs)!
But, yeah.
- I love you. - Oh.
- Sorry I was gonna give you daps (laughs).
- Want a kiss?
(laughing)
- I'm takin' this baby.
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