>> Martha: VERY INTERESTING.
REBECCA KOFFLER, THANKS.
HOPE YOU JOIN US AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Martha: JOINING US NOW,
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM.
REBECCA SAYS THESE SANCTIONS ARE
NOT REALLY HURTING HIM AND THEY
HURT TO HIS BENEFIT BECAUSE
THEY’RE DRIVING OIL PRICES
HIGHER AND THERE’S SUPPLY CHAIN
ISSUES.
>> I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.
SHE’S A SMART LADY.
FOR 20 YEARS, PUTIN HAS MURDERED
HIS OWN PEOPLE, IMPRISONED
DISSIDENTS, OPPOSITION LEADERS
IN HIS COUNTRY, COMMITTED WAR
CRIMES IN SYRIA AND CHECHNYA AND
NOTHING HAPPENED.
THE GAME HAS CHANGED.
THE OFF RAMP FOR PUTIN WILL BE
BUILT BY THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE AND
NOT THE WEST.
HOW DO YOU GET THE OFF RAMP
BUILT.
JOE MANCHIN HAS A BILL SUPPORTED
BY NANCY PELOSI THAT WOULD BAN
ALL RUSSIAN IMPORTS IN THE
UNITED STATES IN TERMS OF OIL
AND GAS.
4% OF OUR OIL SUPPLY COMES FROM
RUSSIA.
WE CAN MAKE THAT UP.
WHAT WE HAVEN’T DONE YET IS GO
AFTER OIL AND GAS IN RUSSIA.
THAT IS THE ACHILLES HILL TO HIS
WAR MACHINE.
I THINK WE CAN CRUSH THE RUBLE
AND PUTTING HIS MILITARY
COMMANDERS UNDER INDICTMENT FOR
WAR CRIMES AND THE CHANCE TO
TAKE THIS GUY OUT.
TAKING HIM OUT WILL COME FROM
THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
>> Martha: WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
INFORMATION WARFARE THAT IS --
THAT HE’S FEVERISHLY
IMPLEMENTING TO KEEP PEOPLE ON
THE RIGHT PAGE, ARE THERE WAYS
TO COUNTER ACT THAT TO GET THE
REAL MESSAGES IN TO RUSSIA, TURN
ON THE FACEBOOK AND TWITTER?
CAN WE GET THAT DONE?
>> YEAH.
WE’RE CLEVER.
DO WE HAVE THE WILL?
THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS
SLOW.
THE ONE THING WE HAVEN’T DONE IS
GO AFTER THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR
OF THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY.
YOU HAVE THE SPEAKER IN THE
HOUSE, ONE OF THE MOST LIBERAL
PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY SUPPORTING
RUSSIAN IMPORTS BEING BANNED.
WHAT CAN WE DO ON THE
INFORMATION FRONT?
EXPLAIN WHAT THEIR FUTURE LOOKS
LIKE UNDER PUTIN.
WE CAN CRUSH THE RUBLE.
NOT HURT IT.
CRUSH THEIR MONEY AND START
NAMING NAMES WHEN IT COMES TO
HIS COMMANDERS CARRYING OUT
THESE WAR CRIMES, TAKE THEIR ASS
TO THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL
COURT AND START PROSECUTING
THEM.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY EVER SET
FOOT OUT OF RUSSIAN, THEY COULD
BE HAULED IN TO THE HAGUE.
WE HAVE TO BE ALL IN ON MAKING
THE WAR HARD FOR PEOPLE AROUND
PUTIN.
HE MAY NEVER GIVE UP BUT PEOPLE
AROUND HIM MIGHT.
>> Martha: LET ME PLAY THIS
SOUND BITE FROM THE PRESIDENT
TALKING ABOUT NEW SANCTIONS ON
THE OLIGARCHS.
>> TODAY I’M ANNOUNCING WE’RE
ADDING DOZENS OF NAMES TO THE
LIST INCLUDING ONE OF RUSSIA’S
WEALTHIEST BILLIONAIRES.
I’M BANNING TRAVEL TO AMERICA BY
MORE THAN 50 RUSSIAN OLIGARCHING
AND THEIR FAMILIES AND CLOSE
ASSOCIATES.
WE’RE GOING TO SUPPORT THE
UKRAINIAN PEOPLE WITH DIRECT
ASSISTANCE.
>> Martha: I’M WONDERING ABOUT
THAT.
IS THAT THE WAY TO GO?
ARE SOME OF THEM LOOKING THAT DIRECTION?
>> Sandra: I’M HEARING THEY’RE
NOT BUYING RUSSIAN OIL.
THE CORPORATE SIDE OF THE OIL
INDUSTRY HAS TAKEN THAT INTO
THEIR OWN HANDS.
THEY HAVEN’T PURCHASED ANYTHING
ALL WEEK.
>> WE DEPEND ON 600,000 BARRELS
OF OIL COMING IN --
>> Martha: NOT THE PAST WEEK.
>> MAYBE NOT THE PAST WEEK.
WE DON’T HAVE A POLICY.
WE NEED A STRATEGY.
I DON’T WANT TO DO IT WEEK BY
WEEK.
I WANT A NATIONAL POLICY THAT WE
WON’T ACCEPT ANY RUSSIAN OIL AND
GAS AND THAT WILL HURT.
WHAT WILL CRIPPLE RUSSIA IS THAT
PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW OUR LEAD.
IF I WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, I WOULD MAKE A SPEECH TONIGHT RALLYING THE
SPEECH TONIGHT RALLYING THE WORLD.