>> A CAMERA OPERATOR AT A HUNGARIAN TV STATION HAS BEEN
CAUGHT ON CAMERA KICKING AND TRIPPING RUNNING SYRIAN
REFUGEES.
LET'S WATCH.
>> SO THE CAMERA PERSON YOU SAW THERE IS PETRA LAZLO OF N1 TV,
THAT WAS AT THE BORDER HOTSPOT OF ROSZKE, YOU SEE A FAIRLY
CHAOTIC SCENE, DOZENS OR HUNDREDS OF REFUGEES RUNNING
AWAY FROM POLICE, IT IS A SCENE OF CHAOS, BUT ONE THAT DOES NOT
NEED THE ADDED CRUELTY OF YOU TRIPPING AN OLD MAN HOLDING A
CHILD.
>>THIS STORY IS SO DISTURBING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS
ABOUT THIS VIDEO THAT MAKES ME EMOTIONAL, BUT I WILL COME OUT
AND SAY IT, IT MAKES THE EMOTIONAL.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO
ARE FLEEING FROM A VERY VIOLENT SITUATION, THEY ARE DESPERATE,
THEY DON'T KNOW ñ THEY ARE LEAVING EVERYTHING BEHIND,
EVERYTHING THEY KNOW, AND THEY ARE TRYING TO GET TO GERMANY
THROUGH HUNGARY, AND RIGHT NOW IN HUNGARY THERE IS THIS HUGE
ISSUE OF XENOPHOBIA, NOT BY ALL PEOPLE, I'M NOT MAKING A
GENERALIZATION, BUT SPECIFICALLY A POLITICAL PARTY THERE, JOBBIK,
AND THIS STATION THAT THAT WOMAN WORKED FOR IS TIED TO THEM.
THEY
ARE VERY NATIONALISTIC, VERY ANTI-IMMIGRATION, THEY DON'T
WANT ANYONE WHO IS NOT HUNGARIAN TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY.
IN FACT
BACK IN 2008 THEIR ELECTION CAMPAIGN WAS, HUNGARY BELONGS TO
HUNGARIANS.
SO THEY ARE JUST NOT FRIENDLY, TO SAY THE LEAST.
SO
THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR FROM HER IS UNSURPRISING ONCE YOU KIND OF
LEARN ABOUT THE POLITICAL PARTY THAT THIS TELEVISION
STATION IS LINKED TO.
THAT BEING SAID, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN
MOST ISSUES WHETHER THEY ARE INTERNATIONAL ISSUES OR DOMESTIC
ISSUES IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE NO EMPATHY.
AND WHEN YOU TREAT
OTHERS LIKE THEY ARE GARBAGE, IT JUST SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOT --
YOU ARE JUST NOT A GOOD HUMAN BEING.
WE ARE SO DIVIDED,
WHETHER IT IS BY NATIONALITY OR RACE OR GENDER, WHATEVER IT IS,
JUST HAVE SOME FUCKING EMPATHY.
HERE IS A MAN RUNNING AWAY, HOLDING A CHILD, AND THE
ONLY THING YOU CAN THINK TO DO IS TO TRIP HIM?
>>MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT HARDER.
>>THAT IS A FUCKING KID, RIGHT?
SHE IS DISGUSTING, AND
THANKFULLY SHE HAS GOTTEN CRITICISM AND HAS BEEN
TERMINATED FROM HER JOB.
>>WE WILL TALK SOME MORE OF THE CONSEQUENCES IN A SECOND, BUT
WHAT YOU SEE THERE, IT REALLY SHOWS, I THINK, HOW WELL THE
HUMAN BRAIN IS DEVELOPED SO THAT IT CAN TAKE A GROUP OF PEOPLE
THAT IT IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH AND SORT OF WALL OFF THE NORMAL
EMOTIONS YOU HAVE FOR OTHER GROUPS OF PEOPLE.
THAT YOU CAN
SEE A GROUP AS, BECAUSE THEY ARE A DIFFERENT RELIGION OR
DIFFERENT TRIBE OR DIFFERENT SECT OF THE SAME RELIGION, OR
PREFER A DIFFERENT SPORTS TEAM OR WHATEVER, YOU DESPISE THEM.
AND YOU THINK IT IS FINE TO DESPISE THEM, IT IS PREFERABLE,
IT IS A GOOD THING TO DESPISE THEM.
BUT, LIKE, NOBODY WHO
HEARS ABOUT -- I HAD A FRIEND WHOSE FAMILY LITERALLY ESCAPED
THE KILLING FIELDS IN CAMBODIA, AND SHE TOLD ME THE STORIES THEY
HAD OF AN UNCLE WHO WENT INTO A FRUIT TREE TO GET FRUIT AND
THERE WAS A MINE IN THE TREE AND HE DIED.
IMAGINE THEY MAKE IT TO
A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY AND PEOPLE ARE FUCKING TRIPPING THEM.
OR
PEOPLE FLEEING NAZI GERMANY AND THEY HAVE SOME ASSHOLE TRYING TO
MAKE THEIR TRIP A LITTLE HARDER.
IMAGINE IF AMERICA WAS INVADED
AND WE HAD TO FUCKING FLEA FOR CANADA, AND IMAGINE IF THEY WERE
SITTING AT THE BORDER WAITING TO SPIT IN OUR FACE.
THEY SEE
SYRIANS AS A DIFFERENT SORT OF THING, THEY ARE NOT SYMPATHETIC
FIGURES, THEY ARE NOT LIKE THESE OTHER GROUPS THAT WE CAN IMAGINE
FROM OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES OF HORROR LIKE THIS.
WE SAW THE
SAME THING IN OUR OWN COUNTRY WHEN IT CAME TO KATRINA.
PEOPLE
SAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY ARE AMERICAN, THEY ARE DIFFERENT
THAN ME, FUCK THEM, THEY ARE NOT COMING TO MY CITY.
IT IS TOO
EASY FOR HUMANS TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION, AND IT IS
SICKENING, THE LACK OF EMPATHY.
AS YOU DID SAY, THE CAMERA
WOMAN'S EMPLOYMENT HAS BEEN TERMINATED ACCORDING TO THE
EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF N1TV.
THE CASE IS NOW CLOSED FOR US.
I
DON'T THINK THE CASE SHOULD BE CLOSED, BECAUSE APPARENTLY YOU
ARE EMPLOYING PEOPLE WHO ARE FUCKING TERRIBLE, GOD KNOWS WHAT
THEY PLANNED TO DO WITH THE FOOTAGE.
AS WE SAID THIS TV
STATION HAS BEEN TIED TO ONE OF THOSE FAR RIGHT PARTIES.
SO
YEAH, THIS ISN'T THE END OF IT.
I'M SURE THEY DID NOT ORDER HER TO DO THAT.
>>IT IS THE CULTURE.
IT'S NOT THE CULTURE OF EVERYONE IN HUNGRY,
BUT THE CULTURE OF THIS PARTICULAR TV STATION THAT IS
LINKED TO A FAR RIGHT POLITICAL GROUP.
AND THIS POLITICAL GROUP
IS VERY RIGHT WING CHRISTIAN, OKAY, SOUNDS VERY SIMILAR TO
SOME RIGHT-WING GROUPS WE HAVE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, SO TO
HER THAT MAN AND A CHILD WAS JUST A THROWAWAY.
THERE WAS NO
NEED TO RESPECT HIM, NO NEED TO CARE ABOUT THE LIVELIHOOD OF
THIS PERSON OR HIS CHILDREN.
THEY ARE LOOKED UPON AS ANIMALS.
AND THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT IS WRONG IN MANY DIFFERENT
SOCIETIES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF
THAT.
WHAT SHE DID IS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT, IT IS JUST
ONE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENS TO BE CAUGHT ON TAPE AND NOW PEOPLE
ARE UPSET ABOUT IT.
IT IS A CULTURE THAT EXISTS WITHIN THIS
TELEVISION STATION AND WITHIN THAT POLITICAL PARTY.
>>WE HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE COUNTRIES THAT DON'T WANT TO
BRING IN THE MIGRANTS, CASES OF -- YOU SEE ON SOCIAL MEDIA
PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT BOATS SINKING AND HOW UNCARING THEY
ARE, SO WE KNOW THAT IT IS GOING ON BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE THE
PERFECT CRYSTALLIZATION INTO ONE ACT, ONE PETTY ACT THAT WILL NOT
STOP HIM FROM GETTING TO WHERE HE IS GOING, BUT JUST TO MAKE IT
A LITTLE HARDER.
BUT I DO WANT TO TURN LARGER, BECAUSE THIS IS
JUST NOT ONE PARTY OR ONE TELEVISION STATION IN HUNGARY,
AND IT IS NOT JUST HUNGARY.
IF WE COULD JUMP AHEAD TO GRAPHIC
10, YOU HAVE THE PRIME MINISTER OF HUNGRY, THIS IS NOT A CAMERA
OPERATOR, THIS IS A POLITICIAN IN OFFICE, WE DO NOT WANT A
LARGE NUMBER OF MUSLIMS IN OUR COUNTRY.
NO ONE CAN FORCE US TO
ACCEPT MORE THAN WE WANT.
SOME PEOPLE IN AMERICA ARE TALKING
HOW WE SHOULD BRING IN PEOPLE, BUT ONLY THE CHRISTIANS FROM
SYRIA.
AND LOOK, THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE ABILITY OF
PARTICULAR COUNTRIES TO INTEGRATE LARGE NUMBERS OF NEW
PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN WITHOUT ANY RESOURCES, THAT IS DIFFICULT
BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
YOU CAN'T SIMPLY TURN THEM AWAY.
AND
YOU CAN HAVE CONCERNS, AS MANY OF THESE COUNTRIES DO, ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF ISIS USING THE KNOWN FLOW OF PEOPLE FROM ONE
COUNTRY TO ANOTHER TO MOVE IN, THAT IS A CONCERN AS WELL.
BUT
IT IS NOT A JUSTIFICATION FOR BLOCKING THE PEOPLE FROM COMING
IN.
WE HAVE QUOTES ABOUT THE ISIS CONCERNS, THIS WAS
PUBLISHED IN HUNGARY.
PICTURES WERE UPLOADED ON SOCIAL NETWORKS
TO SHOW TERRORISTS ARE NOW PRESENT IN MOST EUROPEAN CITIES.
MANY WHO ARE NOW ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FOUGHT ALONGSIDE
ISLAMIC STATE BEFORE.
I PRESENT THIS TO YOU, THIS IS NOT THE IB
TIMES, ONE OF THE RIGHT-WING NEWSPAPERS IN HUNGARY IS
REPORTING THIS, THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT ISIS BUT
THEY ARE BEING USED BY FAR RIGHT PARTIES IN EUROPE TO TRY TO
STOP PEOPLE FROM KILLING ANY SORT OF SOCIAL OR HUMAN
OBLIGATION TO THESE REFUGEES.
>>TO BE HONEST IT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE THE FEAR MONGERING THAT
HAPPENED IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT AFTER 9/11, THE SAME TYPE
OF FEAR MONGERING THAT WAS USED AS A JUSTIFICATION TO TAKE AWAY
SOME OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS INCLUDING PRIVACY AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO COULD ISIS USE THE FLOW OF REFUGEES TO
ENTER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES AND CONTINUE THEIR TERRORIST ACTS?
SURE, BUT IT IS ONE THING TO SAY THEY COULD DO IT BUT IT IS
ANOTHER THING TO SHOW THAT IT IS SOMETHING THEY ARE PLANNING
TO DO OR ALREADY DOING.
AND TOO OFTEN WE BELIEVE WHAT PEOPLE SPECULATE AS OPPOSED
TO ASKING OR DEMANDING EVIDENCE.
>>AND SOMETIMES DOING THE RIGHT THING COMES WITH COSTS AND
POTENTIAL RISKS.
IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD NOT DO IT, AND
AS SOME OF THE MORE REASONABLE POLITICIANS IN THESE STATES HAVE
POINTED OUT, THEIR BORDERS HAVE BEEN RELATIVELY POROUS FOR A
LONG TIME.
THAT DID NOT COME ABOUT AS A RESULT OF SYRIA'S
DISSOLUTION INTO CHAOS, IT HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR A LONG TIME.
SO
TO USE IT IN THIS WAY IS CALLOUS AND CYNICAL, AND IT IS NOT
UNLIKE WHAT WE HAVE HEARD IN OUR OWN COUNTRY ABOUT, WE SHOULD
STOP MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS FROM COMING IN BECAUSE WE SAW A
PRAYER RUG ONE TIME THAT TURNED OUT TO BE A SOCCER JERSEY SO WE
SHOULD SHUT DOWN THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN BORDER TO IMMIGRATION
BECAUSE OF THIS SAME EXACT CONCERN, THAT ISIS WILL BE
COMING OVER.
IT IS A CONCERN, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT
THE PEOPLE USING IT ARE NOT NECESSARILY USING IT BECAUSE
THEY HAVE SINCERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF TERRORISM,
THEY MIGHT JUST BE TRYING TO CARRY ON THEIR OWN POLITICAL
PHILOSOPHY.