DAGEN: HILLARY VAUGHN, SOMETHING
MORE STRUCTURE AND SUPPORT ASTON
RETROCOCHLEARRETCHED.>> I NEVER
HOW CRYPTO IS AND NOW A WEIRD
OUTFIT RUN BY AN INSUFFERABLE
KID IN A HOODY LOST BILLIONS AND
THEY DIDN’T HAVE A CLUE EITHER.
HERE NOW THE WRITER, THE WOMAN,
BEHIND THE WISE WORDS, MAUREEN
CALLIHAN, DAILY MAIL COLUMNIST.
I’M READING YOUR COLUMNS AND
YOUR BOOK FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS WITH SO
MANY POWERFUL SMART PEOPLE
GETTING SUCKED IN BY THIS
ALLEGED CON ARTIST.
>> TO ME, THE MOST ILLUMINATING
THING WE’VE SEEN THUS FAR IS
THAT VOX INTERVIEW YOUR REPORTER
JUST REFERENCED.
ARKANSAS WITH THIS SO CALLED
GENIUS -- WHERE THIS SO-CALLED
GENIUS CONVINCED SOME OF THE
BIGGEST MINDS IN THE WORLD THAT
IF THEY DIDN’T UNDERSTAND IT, IT
WAS BECAUSE THEY JUST COULDN’T
GRASP IT.
HE’S NOW SAYING THAT LIFE JUST
CREEPS UP ON YOU AND YOU KNOW,
STUFF HAPPENS AND THIS IS HOW HE
LOST SO MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
BUT ACTUALLY HE DIDN’T LOSE IT.
HIS EX-GIRLFRIEND LOST IT AND
TRY TO FOLLOW THIS THREAD.
IT’S FASCINATING AND I THINK THE
STORY IS GOING TO GET BETTER AND
BETTER.
DAGEN: THAT GETS TO -- HE ADMITS
AND HE ADMITS IT WAS HORSE
MANEUVER PADDLING TO PEOPLE AND TELLING PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN CALL
TELLING PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN CALL
THEM LIBERAL RYAN HIGGINS PEOPLE
ON THE LIFT LEFT OR ADVENTURE
CAPITALISTS EFFECTIVE ALTRUISM.
I NEED TO EARN BILLIONS TO GIVE
IT ALL AWAY.
THAT IS JUST CLASSIC CON ARTISTS
CLAPTRAP.
HE KIND OF ADMITS IN THIS VOX
INTERVIEW I WAS JUST MAKING UP
GARBAGE.
>> MY FAVORITE PART OF THE VOX
INTERVIEW AND MANY, MANY
GREATEST HITS IN THERE.
BUT MY FAVORITE PART WAS WHEN HE
SAID, YEAH, I PRETENDED TO HAVE
ETHICS.
YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS GOOD, PEOPLE
LIKE THE WAY IT SOUNDS WHEN YOU
SAY YOU’RE MORAL BUT BASICALLY
HE’S A PSYCHOPATH AND I’M SURE
HE’S PRETTY CONFIDENT HE’LL
SKATE GIVEN HOW CONNECTED HIS
FAMILY IS AND SOMEONE WILL HAVE
TO BE MADE AN EXAMPLE OF HERE
AND HE’S DONE HIMSELF NO FAVORS
BY REVEALING THE TRUE DARK HEART
WITHIN.
DAGEN: YOU TALK ABOUT THE FEAR
OF MISSING OUT AND THIS IS EVEN
WITH THE WORLD’S MOST FAMOUS
CELEBRITIES. CERTAINLY MONEY PLAYED A PART WI
CERTAINLY MONEY PLAYED A PART WI
MONEY AND TOM BRADY AND HIS WIFE
GISELE BUNDCHEN AND THIS IS HOW
ONCE AND HE’S SO BRAZEN THAT
WALTER CURREN, THE FAMOUS SCREEN
WRITER AND WRITER SAID THIS IS
HOW CON ARTISTS OPERATE AND SAID
THEY ARE BRAZEN AND THEY COURT
FAMOUS PEOPLE AND POLITICIANS
BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE
ONE OVER ON YOU.
EVEN WITH YOU WRITE ABOUT THE
INVESTORS AT SEQUOIA AND
CELEBRITIES AND ALL OF THE
TALKING HEADS ON TV.
IT LOOKS VAGUELY LIKE ELIZABETH
HOLMES THERANOS FRAUD.
>> THAT’S WHY THE STORY WILL GET
MORE AND MORE COMPELLING AND THE
THING THAT STRUCK ME IS WHAT RAN
A PROFILE OF THIS GUY. QUITE AWHILE AGO THEY SINCE
QUITE AWHILE AGO THEY SINCE
SHOCKINGLY HAVE TAKEN IT DOWN.
>> HE’S ON THE PHONE WITH ZOOMS
AND TRYING TO CONVINCE THE
INVESTORS TO GIVE HIM MILLIONS
AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND HE’S
VIDEO GAMING WHILE ON THE ZOOM.
THE HOODY, THE WHOLE SLACKER
ETHOS OR WHATEVER.
THEY’RE COMMENTING TO EACH OTHER
ON THE SIDE GOING MY MIND IS
BLOWN.
THIS GUY’S A 10 OUT OF 10.
I’M ALL IN.
THE OTHER THING THAT’S SO
NEFARIOUS AND CELEBRITIES SHOULD
THINK TWICE BEFORE THEY ENDORSE
GUYS LIKE THIS THEY GET IN ON
SILICON VALLEY STUFF AND THINK
IT’S INCOMPREHENSIBLE AND
THEY’RE THERE TO APPEAL TO THE
LITTLE GUY.
THEY’RE THERE TO APPEAL TO THE
GUY THAT MAYBE HAVE AN EXTRA
GRAND IN HIS BANK ACCOUNT AND
THINKING HOW CAN I INVEST THIS.
TOM BRADY SAYS I SHOULD PUT IT
IN THIS GUY.
LET’S DO IT.
IT’S REALLY, REALLY
UNCONSCIOUSABLE.
DAGEN: IT’S TOM BRADY AND GISELE
BUNDCHEN AND MORE NAMED IN THE
CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AND DAVID
BOYS IS PARTICIPATING IN SOME
WAY BASED ON WHAT I’VE READ AND
HEARD IN THE LAWSUIT AND THEY
SHOULD BE WORRIED.
THEY COULD JUST SAY I GOT PAID
TO DO THE ADS BUT THEY DID HAVE,
YOU KNOW, WITH BRADY AND
BUNDCHEN TO NAME TWO HAD EQUITY
STAKES TO GET PART OF THIS BASED
ON REPORTING AND THEY COULD BE
IN A LOT MORE TROUBLE THAN YOU
MIGHT THINK.
ONE OF THE -- EVERYBODY IS UPSET
ABOUT REGULATION.
AND THE REGULATORS AND NOW
CONGRESS IS GETTING INVOLVED
LIKE THEY’RE GOING TO DO
ANYTHING ABOUT IT OTHER THAN
HOLD HEARINGS BUT PEOPLE PLAY OR
PLAID IN THE CRYPTO -- PLAYED IN
THE CRYPTO WORLD BECAUSE THE
GOVERNMENT WAS NOT PART OF IT.
IT WASN’T REGULATED.
THEY WANTED THE GOVERNMENT OUT
OF THEIR MONEY.
THAT WAS A LARGE PART OF THE
ALLURE AND SO THIS IS CAVEAT AND
KIND OF WHAT YOU GET.
>> YEAH, IS&I’LL BE SHOCKED IF
THERE’S ANY REAL REGULATIONS AS
A RESULT OF THIS.
SILICON VALLEY MASTERFULLY FOR
YEARS THROWN MONEY AT LOBBYISTS
AND THEY GET THEIR WAY AND MARK
ZUCKERBERG SHOWS UP TO CAPITOL
HILL WHEN SUMMENNED AND
SOMETIMES HE DOESN’T.
THIS IS THE MENTALITY HE’S
DEALING WITH AND SORT OF THE
TRUE OVERLORDS AND IT REALLY IS
UP TO US TO SORT OF BE OUR OWN
BEST WATCHMEN.
DAGEN: IT’S LIKE I WANT THE
GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY MONEY AND I
WANT TO GAMBLE ON DIGITAL BEANIE
BABIES.
THIS IS WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
>> YOU CAN GO TO THE BANK.
DAGEN: THIS IS THE 1920S.
THIS IS WHAT, IN THE 20S IT WAS
UNREGULATED BANKS AND BROKERS
AND EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING WAS CROOKED.
THERE WAS FRONT RUNNING, PEOPLE
WOULD START A RUMOR AND TAKE
DOWN A BANK.
WELL, THEY DIDN’T WANT
REGULATION IN GOVERNMENT.
I WANT FREE MONEY AND MY MONEY
FREE OF BOARDERS.
WELL, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.
BEFORE YOU GO, MAUREEN, I WANT
TO TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT YOUR
BOOK, AMERICAN PREDATOR, THAT
YOU WROTE ABOUT THE SERIAL
KILLER, ISRAEL KEYS.
I READ ALMOST COMPLETELY
NONFICTION AND I READ A LOT OF
TRUE CRIME BOOKS.
THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST BOOKS
I’VE EVER READ AND I WANT TO
TELL PEOPLE TO READ IT -- WELL,
BUY IT AND THEN READ IT.
DON’T LISTEN TO --
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
DAGEN: DON’T LISTEN TO IT ON
AUDIBLE.
IT’S BETTER IF YOU READ IT.
IT SUCKS YOU IN AND I DON’T KNOW
HOW YOU REPORTED IT.
I REALLY DON’T.
IT’S SO DETAILED AND I JUST
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO READ IT.
I’LL LEAVE THEM WITH THAT .
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.