In the case where child abuse is fatal, obviously it's not good for the child, but
it's actually a benefit to society because there aren't needs for
government services and whatnot over the whole course of that child's life.
>> That was an Alaska state representative named David Eastman,
a Republican, literally claiming that child abuse fatalities
could actually have a silver lining less of a cost on society.
>> I don't hear you rebutting his argument, Anna, dude made a point.
What's your counter?
Does he think that devil's advocate is like an actual job that you can get and
he's trying out.
That was insane.
Also, he doesn't even understand what he's saying,
he's wrong as well, but also morally aberrant.
[LAUGH] >> I think he understands what he's
saying.
He was asked by other lawmakers because the first time he said it,
they're, must of misheard.
>> But I would argue that he has the stat, which I think you're gonna get to, about
the additional cost that child abuse that doesn't result in death can additionally
cost to the family and to society in that the child needs treatment or whatever.
But it's also, in theory, let's say, you're gonna be horrific and
say it's better if they die, there's still tons of costs on the family and
on people who know them and the lost productivity of the person's life.
So even inside of the demonic logic, he's trying to use,
he doesn't even understand what he's saying.
>> So we did a little digging to learn more about this state lawmaker in Alaska.
Stay tuned for that.
But first we gotta give you more context about the video?
So Eastman was asking a series of questions during this hearing on adverse
childhood experiences such as physical and sexual abuse on children or
growing up in a household with domestic violence, okay?
And the whole point was to see how it could
negatively affect a person throughout their lives.
As part of the presentation documents given to legislators estimated that
when child abuse is fatal, it could cost the family and
broader society 1.5 million in terms of trauma and
what the child could potentially have earned over their lifetime.
Okay, [CROSSTALK] let's pause for a second.
Okay, why are we doing a freaking cost benefit analysis on this?
Like what? >> No,
I don't think that what they were doing was a cost benefit analysis.
I think they were referencing research which tries to give a holistic idea of how
devastating this sort of abuse is.
>> Got it. >> It's not to make decisions about
which would be better.
He's adding that front layer on top.
>> I get it, but it's just really interesting how they gotta talk about
the financial cost rather than really just being concerned about the human cost.
You get what I'm saying?
It's, [CROSSTALK] all right, kids, kids be getting beaten up by their family,
sometimes their parents, sometimes they die.
Now we could maybe talk about the morality of that and
the importance of government actually protecting human lives.
Or we could run some numbers, why don't we run some numbers?
F, your numbers, what are we doing right now?
>> Yeah, again, I don't think the original researchers are doing that.
>> No, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it.
I hate the framing of this entire discussion, that's my point.
>> Yeah, I mean, we've heard a lot of really crazy things come out of the mouths
of, especially state legislators, mounting cameras in these state
legislatures was an interesting idea- >> It's the best idea.
>> It's exposed to a lot of.
Yeah, definitely, yeah, we've just heard such horrific stuff and
it it makes me wonder, so anybody can become a state legislator?
There's literally no bar whatsoever.
The dumbest, craziest people in the country.
>> John, anyone can be president.
>> That's true.
>> Okay, let's just- >> Yeah, but
he was a billionaire at least.
That chucklehead I'm assuming does not have billions of dollars and
a decade of an NBC reality show.
>> [SOUND] So with the context that I just gave you,
why don't we go to his exchange with Trevor Stores?
He is the president and Ceo of the Alaska Children's Trust.
>> Through the chair, can you say that again, you said a benefit for society?
>> Talking dollars, now you've got a $1.5 million price tag here for
victims of fatal child abuse.
It gets argued periodically that it's actually a cost savings because that child
is not gonna need any of those government services that they might otherwise,
be entitled to receive and need based on growing up in this type of environment.
>> Through the chair representative, I guess that would be the idea,
if I can use a really bad analogy.
When you hit somebody always back up cuz it's cheaper to insurance.
I don't pertain to that.
And I'm really, I'm not even sure how to answer that,
that there's a cost saving to the death of a child.
The impact that that has on a family in us as a society when a child is lost,
especially to child abuse neglect is unmeasurable.
And it's hugely tragic.
>> Listen, I get that we're trying to have a civil conversation here,
but how do you maintain your calm- >> Decorum.
>> Yeah, your decorum, your calm demeanor when this guy is,
actually turns out that it could be a huge cost savings if the abused child dies.
What about that?
And by the way, that was bad enough, it's about to get worse believe it or not.
Let's watch.
>> And the way that you're calculating this 1.5 million, I don't wanna say you,
I mean, the people who did calculate it.
Does that 1.5 million get higher or lower,
depending upon the age at which the child is killed?
>> So again, there's multiple factors and a number can definitely increase,
but again, I don't believe it's gonna matter if they're older or younger.
Again, a loss of a child is really unmeasurable.
>> What the hell.
>> We live in hell, guys,
all your religious folks out there who are restricting yourself from pleasure and
whatever because you think you wanna go to heaven?
No, it's over, you're already in hell, you're here, you're here.
I can't believe that exchange happened.
>> You could have let me guess a 1000 things he would ask.
I would not [LAUGH] have guessed that.
We constantly beg of people on this little screen right here to ask follow up
questions.
I don't want them anymore.
No more fall of questions.
They're too crazy.
That guy is basically cards against humanity as a human.
Like he's just trying to freak out everyone in the room with him.
Why, what does it matter?
What does he think the end goal of this?
Them deciding which year to finish the kid off?
>> My God.
>> What do you work?
What's your project, man?
Why are you asking [LAUGH] about this?
>> By the way?
You want to take a stab at- >> The kids seven,
it's not even worth it to use a bullet at this point.
>> No pun intended, I apologize for that, but
you wanna take a guess at where Representative David Eastman
falls in the reproductive rights argument?
>> I'm gonna guess, have mandated execution of abortioners,
I don't know, what?
>> Well, in June- >> Well, wait, how old is the abortioner?
[LAUGH] Where do we stand on teen doctors?
>> Would society save more money if we call for
the murder of the doctor when they're older or when they're younger?
>> What is his position?
>> Let's go to this Facebook post from June 2020, Babies Lives Matter.
But do they?
Representative Eastman?
Do they?
Because it seems when money's involved, they don't matter at all.
>> No babies lives matters, toddlers?
[SOUND] >> No, no, fetus, zygote, embryo.
Anything prior to exiting the womb.
>> Yeah, really fast though,
cuz I wanna help him because he's provided entertainment for him.
>> No, I don't wanna help him.
>> So he had good material, I think for that.
But now that we're watching, he's not gonna use the same material.
So, I wanna get him started.
I wanna set his mind ablaze.
If you can take one child and think about the cost savings if they
weren't alive rather than if they were alive.
Imagine how much money could be saved if no humans were ever born again.
I mean, we're gonna be flush with cash.
>> Flush with cash, if you watch Parks and Rec, you know what that is.
No, no, it's such a great point.
That's such a great point.
>> He's just so stupid.
It's not even how it works, man.
>> Listen- >> Can I move and run against him now?
>> Yes. Cuz I feel like I need to.
>> Do you wanna live in Alaska?
Not that there's anything against Alaska it's just very cold.
>> I'm a fan of puffins- >> They are cute.
>> And not killing abused kids.
So I think I'm gonna do well there.
>> Now, you should find some solace in the fact that it seems as though
even his Republican colleagues in the State House don't like him.
Eastman was not invited to join the House majority and
his request to join the caucus were rebuffed.
Veteran lawmaker said he has alienated every caucus he has joined with
his no compromise approach to legislating and
his tendency to use his newsletters to harangue his GOP colleagues.
>> We gotta get those newsletters.
>> Yes, how do we get those newsletters?
That's such a great point.
Also, he is a lifetime member of the Oath Keepers.
So, and he attended the January 6th, riots.
Yeah, mm-hm.
>> It's a long trip, but worth it.
>> Asked about his involvement with the Oath Keepers, he says this.
I joined the Oath Keepers when it first started and
will always consider it a privilege to stand with those in the military and
first responders who strive to keep their oaths to the Constitution.
Except he also faced trial last year for betraying his oath to office for
his role in the Capitol Riot.
So there's that, seems like you're a bit of a traitor.
And he has shown zero remorse for his actions.
The trial he said in an interview, amounted to,
you went to a political event that was a no-no, and now we're going to punish you.
And that's fundamentally not American.
Apparently, what is American is attempting to undo the results of
our democratic process because you didn't like the results, right?
I mean, what a clown.
>> Yeah, it is, once again, his logic was faulty.
It might have made sense financially to end America as an experiment like 100
years in but it's too old now.
The cost savings just aren't there.
>> And unfortunately, by the way, [CROSSTALK] I can't,
I just don't wanna hear from any Republican or
any conservative media judging women who practice their reproductive rights,
because you guys don't give a damn about human lives at all.
Here he is openly and very honestly talking about the cost
savings associated with abused children dying from their abuse.
>> Save the Children or not.
>> Hashtag keep your kids away from Republican lawmakers.
How about that