>>> WE HAVE COMMUNITIES PARTICULARLY COMMUNITIES OF
COLOR AND DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THIS
COUNTRY WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM
ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE.
ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE. I ASSURE YOU I LIVED IN GROSSE
POINT.
POINT. WHAT HAPPENED IN FLINT WOULD NOT
HAVE HAPPENED IN GROSSE POINT.
THIS IS PART OF THE DARK
UNDERBELLY OF AMERICAN SOCIETY.
>> 2020 CANDIDATE MARIANNE
WILLIAMSON GETTING CHEERS AND
APPLAUSE YOU HEARD IN DETROIT
HAS A LOT OF FOLKS THINKING
ABOUT HER TODAY.
SOME CALLING HER THE BREAKOUT
WINNER AND THE STANDOUT
PERFORMANCE.
PERFORMANCE. TRENDING ON TWITTER AND THE MOST
SEARCHED DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE ON
GOOGLE IN FACT, LOOK AT THE MAP
IF YOU WANT TO WIN THIS COUNTRY.
SHE WAS THE MOST SEARCHED NAME
IN 49 STATES THANKS TO LAST
NIGHT’S PERFORMANCE.
NIGHT’S PERFORMANCE. THERE WERE MANY PASSIONATE
ANSWERS INCLUDING THIS MOMENT ON
PREPARATIONS.
PREPARATIONS. >> WHAT MAKES ME QUALIFIED TO
SAY $200 BILLION TO $500
BILLION?
BILLION? IF YOU DID THE MATH OF THE 40
ACRES AND A MULE GIVEN THAT
THERE WAS 4 MILLION TO 5 MILLION
SLAVES ATTED THE END OF THE
CIVIL WAR AND THEY WERE PROMISED
40 ACRES AND A MULE FOR A FAMILY
OF FOUR, IF YOU DID THE MATH
TODAY, IT WOULD BE TRILLIONS OF
DOLLARS.
DOLLARS. >> THANKS FOR COMING BACK.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING
ME, ARI.
ME, ARI. >> OF COURSE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU GOT ACROSS
LAST NIGHT?
LAST NIGHT? >> WELL, I HOPE I GOT ACROSS A
MORE MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION ASK
OF RACE.
OF RACE. YOU HAVE SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF
TIME.
TIME. BUT I HOPE WITH THE ANSWERS THAT
I GAVE ABOUT RACE, ABOUT FLINT,
ABOUT HEALTH, ABOUT THE
ENVIRONMENT, AND ABOUT POLITICS
IN GENERAL, THAT I THINK WAS A
LARGER THEME WHICH IS THAT WE
HAVE TO GO DEEPER THAN JUST
TALKING ABOUT EXTERNAL FIXES.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A POLITICS THAT
SPEAKS TO MORE THAN JUST
WATERING THE LEAVES.
WE HAVE TO WATER THE ROOTS.
I THINK THE THEME CAME THROUGH.
>> YOU MENTIONED ROOTS.
YOU’RE CLEARLY TAPPING WHEN WE
MENTIONED FOLKS SEARCHING.
THEY’RE WATCHING AND LOOKING FOR
MORE.
MORE. THAT SUGGESTS DEPTH AS YOU SAY
LONGER THAN THE SHORT ANSWERS
THESE DEBATES REQUIRE.
AND WITH THAT IN MIND, I WANT TO
PLAY ONE OF YOUR OTHER ANSWERS
LAST NIGHT WHERE YOU TALKED
BEYOND JUST WHAT MANY DEMOCRATS
SEE AS THE CRISIS OF TRUMPISM
AND ABOUT WHAT’S REALLY GOING
ON.
ON. TAKE A LOOK.
>> RACISM BIGOTRY AND THE ENTIRE
CONVERSATION THAT WE’RE HAVING
HERE TONIGHT, IF YOU THINK ANY
OF THIS WONKINESS IS GOING TO
DEAL WITH THIS DARK PSYCH SOURCE
OF THE COLLECTY ADVISE THE
HATRED THIS PRESIDENT IS
BRINGING UP IN THIS COUNTRY,
THEN I’M AFRAID THE DEMOCRATS
ARE GOING TO SEE VERY DARK DAYS.
ESWE NEED TO SAY IT LIKE IT IS,
IT’S BIGGER THAN PLINT.
IT’S ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
IT’S PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO DO
NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO FIGHT
BACK.
BACK. IF THE DEMOCRATS DON’T START
SAYING IF WHY WOULD THOSE PEOPLE
PEOPLE VOTE FOR US.
>> HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT
COLLECTIVIZED HATRED AS YOU PUT
IT.
IT. >> WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM ON
OUR HANDS.
OUR HANDS. YOU TAKE RACISM AND BIGOTRY AND
HOMOPHOBIA AND XEN KNOW PHOBIA
ANISE LAM PHOBIA ALL THOSE WORST
ASPECTS OF HUMAN CHARACTER, YOU
PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER IN A
COLLECTIVE FIELD AND SOCIAL
MEDIA AND THEN YOU HAVE A
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
WHO IS NOT ABOVE HARNESSING ALL
THOSE THINGS FOR POLITICAL
PURPOSES, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM ON
YOUR HANDS.
YOUR HANDS. THAT BROB CANNOT BE DEFIVED IN
STRICTLY POLITICAL TERMS.
THIS MAN, OUR PRESIDENT IS A NOM
NONAND AN INSIDER POLITICS GAME
WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DEFEAT THAT.
WE NEED TO CREATE A POLITICS
WHICH IS A PHENOMENON OF EQUAL
STRENGTH AND POWER.
AND THAT WILL ONLY COME FROM A
DEEPER CONVERSATION, A DEEPER
LEVEL OF TRUTH TELLING, A
WILLINGNESS FOR AMERICA TO GET
REAL ABOUT TELEPHONE SELF IN A
WAY THAT THE CURRENT POLITICAL
ESTABLISHMENT IS NOT USED TO
DOING.
DOING. >> YOU SAY ALL THAT.
THERE IS THAT DEPTH.
YOU’RE WHAT MANY WOULD CALL AN
UNTRADITIONAL CANDIDATE.
UNTRADITIONAL CANDIDATE. YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT.
THERE’S QUESTIONS WHAT YOU
BELIEVE IN YOUR POLICIES.
LET ME PLAY SOMETHING THAT YOU
SAID THAT’S GOTTEN SOME REAL
CRITICISM ABOUT DEPRESSION.
TAKE A LISTEN.
>> I’VE LIVED TWO PERIODS OF
TIME THAT BY ANY BY ANY MEANS
TODAY WOULD BE CALLED CLINICAL
DEPRESSION.
DEPRESSION. EVEN THAT’S A SCAM.
ALL THAT MEANS IS SOMEBODY IN A
CLINIC SAID IT.
>> SHOULD PEOPLE TAKE FROM THAT
THAT YOU DON’T BELIEVE THERE IS
REAL CLINICAL DEPRESSION AND HOW
WOULD YOU APPROACH WHAT DOCTORS
AND SCIENCE SAYS IS DEPRESSION
AS PART OF MENTAL HEALTH
TREATMENT IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT?
>> YES, THAT CLIP THAT YOU JUST
SHOWED WAS A PODCAST I DID WITH
RUSSELL BRAND.
RUSSELL BRAND. MAYBE I WAS TRYING TO IMPRESS
RUSSELL BRAND.
RUSSELL BRAND. I WAS SPEAKING GLIBLY.
I WAS NOT A CANDIDATE YET.
WHEN I SAID THAT OF ITSELF IS
SUCH A SCAM, THAT WAS WRONG OF
ME TO SAY.
I’M SORRY THAT I SAID IT.
THERE IS SUCH A THING AS SERIOUS
SERIOUS DEPRESSION FOR WHICH I’M
SURE THAT PSYCHOTHERAPEUTIC
DRUGS ARE HELPFUL AND LIFE
SAVING.
SAVING. I BELIEVE THAT ABOUT BIPOLAR AND
SCHIZOPHRENIA.
SCHIZOPHRENIA. HOWEVER, WHAT I HAVE TALKED
ABOUT AND WRITTEN ABOUT AND
STAND BEHIND IS THE IDEA THAT
THERE HAS BEEN A MEDICALIZATION
YOU HAVE WHAT HAS TRADITIONALLY
BEEN CONSIDERED A SPECTRUM OF
NORMAL HUMAN DESPAIR.
AND ABOUT THAT, I FEEL THAT
THERE IS A VERY LEGITIMATE
CONVERSATION IN THIS COUNTRY
WHEN YOU SEE YOU KNOW, JUST THE
IDEA AS I’VE SAID IT BEFORE, A
DIVORCE, A HEART BREAK BECAUSE
SOMEBODY THAT YOU KNOW LEFT OR
DIED OR YOU WENT THROUGH A
FINANCIAL HARDSHIP OR BREAKUP OR
YOU’RE IN YOUR 20s.
THESE THINGS ARE DIFFICULT BUT
NOT MENTAL ILLNESS.
THE IDEA OF TURNING EVERYTHING
THAT IS A SAD DAY INTO A REASON
FOR SUCH A QUICK JUMP AND A KNEE
JERK JUMP THAT IS OFTEN PLAYED
TODAY TO THE QUESTION OF
PHARMACEUTICALS, THAT IS A VERY
LEGITIMATE QUESTION.
LEGITIMATE QUESTION. WE’RE LIVING AT A TIME WHEN
ATTORNEY GENERALS ALL OVER THIS
COUNTRY ARE INDICTING BIG
PHARMACEUTICAL EXECUTIVES FOR
THEIR ROLE IN THE OPIOID CRISIS.
PREDATORY PHARMA IS A SERIOUS
SERIOUS ISSUE.
SERIOUS ISSUE. IT IS A LEGITIMATE THING TO TALK
ABOUT IN OUR COUNTRY.
AND I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY
ANYONE WOULD THINK THAT NOW
GIVEN EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT
THE ROLE OF BIG PHARMACEUTICAL
EXECUTIVES IN THE OPIOID CRISIS,
WHY SHOULD WE JUST ASSUME IN
EVERY OTHER AREA THEY’RE A
PARAGON OF VIRTUE AND PURE
INTENT AND CONCERNED FOR COMMON
GOOD.
GOOD. IF YOU ADD TO THAT THE LACK OF
REGULATORY OVERSIGHT THAT I
THINK MOST AMERICANS ASSUME ON
THE PART OF THE FDA, 75% OF THE
REVIEW PROCESS FOR DRUGS IN OUR
COUNTRY IS DONE BY BIG PHARMA.
SO I THINK THAT THE AVERAGE
AMERICAN IS COMING TO REALIZE
THAT THE ROLE OF OUR REGULATORY
AGENCIES IN MANY AREAS NOT ONLY
HAVING TO DO WITH BIG PHARMA AND
THE ENVIRONMENT, WHEN YOU LOOK
AT SOMETHING LIKE THE EPA
OVERTURNING THE BAN ON THE SALE
OF PESTICIDES THAT WE KNOW HARM
A CHILD’S BRAIN BECAUSE OF OUR
CURRENT HEAD OF THE EPA OR THE
ONE BEFORE THAT, WHETHER IT WAS
THE CHEMICAL EXECUTIVE, THE OIL
COMPANY EXECUTIVE MET IN A
HOUSTON HOTEL ROOM WITH DOW
CHEMICAL EXECUTIVES, I WOULD
THINK AMERICA WOULD GO WANT A
PRESIDENTS WHO LOOKS INTO THESE
THINGS DEEPLY.
THINGS DEEPLY. >> YOU LAID OUT A DETAILED
ANSWER AND YOU APOLOGIZED FOR
THE WORDING THERE.
I INTERVIEWED CANDIDATES.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT’S A LITTLE
DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HEAR FROM
CERTAIN CANDIDATES.
CERTAIN CANDIDATES. I GUESS TO PRESS NEW THE
FOLLOW-UP AND TO BE HAVE THIS
CONVERSATION IN THE DEPTH THAT
IT WARRANTS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS
IS ONE THAT’S OFTEN POSED
SOMETIMES ABOUT REPUBLICANS
KNOCKING, FOR EXAMPLE, CLIMATE
SCIENCE WHICH IS THESE ARE YOUR
VIEWS.
VIEWS. WHERE DO YOU COME DOWN ON HOW
GET YOUR CUES FROM ON MEDICINE
OR SCIENCE.
OR SCIENCE. IN A RELATED ISSUE, THERE WAS
THIS IS QUESTION ON
VACCINATIONS.
VACCINATIONS. YOU JUST MENTIONED THE
WELL-BEING OF CHILDREN AND
PESTICIDES.
PESTICIDES. YOU HAD CAST SKEPTICISM ON
VACCINATIONS.
VACCINATIONS. I WONDER IF YOU COULD BETTER
EXPLAIN WHERE YOU COME DOWN ON
THAT GIVEN THE SCIENCE AND
CONCERN THAT VACCINATIONS DO
WORK AND PEOPLE NEED THEM TO
KEEP THESE COMMUNITIES SAFE.
>> WELL, ONCE AGAIN, IT’S AN
OVERSTATEMENT TO SAY THAT I CAST
SKEPTICISM ON VACCINATIONS.
ON THE ISSUE OF VACCINATIONS I’M
PRO VACCINATION.
PRO VACCINATION. I’M PRO MEDICINE AND PRO
SCIENCE.
SCIENCE. ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES WHAT I’M
BRINGING UP THAT IS VERY
LEGITIMATE AND SHOULD NOT BE
DERIDED OR MARGINALIZED IN A
FREE-THROW SOCIETY IS QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE ROLE OF PREDATORY BIG
PHARMA.
PHARMA. >> I’M GOING TO JUMP IN AND LET
YOU RESPOND.
YOU RESPOND. JUST SO MY VIEWERS ARE KEEPING
UP WITH US, I’LL READ A LITTLE
BIT OF WHAT YOU SAID SINCE
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT THE
DEPICTION.
DEPICTION. THE QUOTE HERE WAS "IT’S NO
DIFFERENT THAN THE ABORTION
DEBATE.
DEBATE. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT DOESN’T TELL
A CITIZEN IN MY BOOK WHAT THEY
HAVE TO DO WITH THEIR BODY OR
CHAIR CHILD.
CHAIR CHILD. VAC EVEN MAN THE DATE WERE IN
YOUR VIEW AT THE TIME DRACONIAN
OR ORWELLIAN."
OR ORWELLIAN." I HAND IT BACK TO YOU.
>> THE SISH OF DRACONIAN OR
ORWELLIAN.
ORWELLIAN. THIS IS THE ISSUE, WHEN I WAS A
CHILD WE TOOK FAR FEWER
VACCINES.
VACCINES. THERE WAS MUCH LESS BUNDLING AND
MUCH LESS CHRONIC ILLNESS.
I DON’T KNOW WHY, THIS IS NOT A
TOPIC THAT I HAVE CONSCIOUSLY
CHOSEN, THIS IS NOT A BIG TOPIC
FOR ME.
FOR ME. >> DO YOU THINK VACCINATIONS ARE
CONTRIBUTING TO THINGS BEING
WORSE NOW?
WORSE NOW? IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE SUGGESTING?
>> NO, WHAT I’M SAYING IS THAT
IN 1986, THERE WAS THIS VACCINE
PROTECTION LAW.
PROTECTION LAW. THERE WAS AND THERE HAVE BEEN $4
BILLION IN VACCINE COMPENSATION
PAYMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
THERE WAS MUCH LESS CHRONIC,
SOMETHING LIKE 12% CHRONIC
ILLNESS AMONG OUR CHILDREN
PREVIOUS TO THAT LAW AND THERE’S
54% NOW.
54% NOW. I DON’T SEE WHY IN A FREE
SOCIETY YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING
ON HERE?
ON HERE? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT
BIG PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES
LOBBY CONGRESS TO THE TUNE OF
$284 MILLION LAST YEAR ALONE AS
OPPOSED TO OIL AND GAS WHICH HAS
LOBBIED CONGRESS TO THE TUNE OF
$125 MILLION LAST YEAR, WHEN YOU
LOOK AT ALL THE MONEY SPENT BY
PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES EVEN ON
OUR NEWS CHANNELS, WHEN LOO YOU
LOOK AT THE FACT THERE ARE TWO
PHARMACEUTICAL LOBBYISTS FOR
EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS AND
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TENS AND
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
PAID INTO THE COFFERS OF EVEN
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES, WHY ARE
WE -- WHY ARE WE SO OKAY WITH
THE COMPLETE SHUT DOWN OF ANY
CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS
TOPICING?
TOPICING? ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD THINK THAT
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> I WOULD ARGUE, IT’S NOT THAT
WE’RE SHUTTING DOWN THE TOPIC
BUT ENGAGING IT AS WE DO.
>> I HEAR THAT.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. I WASN’T SAYING THAT YOU WERE
SHUTTING IT DOWN.
>> I APPRECIATE YOU ON THAT.
IS THE SCIENCE AND THE MEDICINE
IN A POTENTIAL ADMINISTRATION OF
YOURS GOING TO BE GUIDED BY THE
SURGEON GENERAL BY DOCTORS, ET
CETERA, OR IS IT --
>> I’LL TELL YOU WHO.
I’M PRO -- I WANT MORE
SCIENTIFIC, MORE SCIENTIFIC
RESEARCH.
RESEARCH. I WANT MORE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH
THAT IS NOT PAID FOR BY BIG
PHARMA.
PHARMA. IN A WILLIAMSON ADMINISTRATION,
THERE WILL BE MORE SCIENTIFIC
REVIEW, MORE SIGNS.
WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING AND YOU
CAN SEE THIS WITH THIS PRESIDENT
IS ABOUT CUTTING MONEY TO THE
FDA LIKE HE WANTS TO CUT MONEY
TO THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE
CONTROL AND TO THE NATIONAL
INSTITUTE OF HEALTH, WHAT I WANT
IS MORE SCIENTIFIC REVIEW.
I WANT LESS SCIENTIFIC REVIEW
PAID FOR BY BIG PHARMA.
>> MY LAST QUESTION JUST SO
WE’RE CLEAR, YOUR VIEW OF
FEDERAL OR STATE GOVERNMENT
VACCINATION REQUIREMENTS IS THEY
ARE VALID OR YOU MAY OPPOSE
THEM?
THEM? >> THERE ARE -- THERE ARE WITH
ANY MEDICAL INTERVENTION, THERE
ARE BENEFITS AND RISKS.
THE GOVERNMENT ALWAYS HAS TO
COME DOWN ONSIDE OF THE PUBLIC
GOOD.
GOOD. ABSOLUTELY.
ABSOLUTELY. I WAS VACCINATED.
MY DAUGHTER WAS VACCINATED.
OF COURSE, I AM.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHEN IT
COMES TO REVIEW OF OUR DRUGS AND
ALL ISSUES RELATED TO DRUGS,
JUST AS WE HAVE TO LEARN WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN THE OPIOID CRISIS,
I WANT INDEPENDENT REGULATION
CONDUCTED BY THE GOVERNMENT NOT
PAID FOR BIG PHARMA.
>> MARIANNE WILLIAMSON, YOU
APPRECIATE YOU COMINGS BACK ON
"THE BEAT."
"THE BEAT." MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT YOU HAD A