BRIAN: MATTHEW ALBENCE IS
THE ACTING ICE DIRECTOR.
IF WILL IS A HOTTER ISSUE
THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED
IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION I DON'T KNOW
WHAT IT IS THE FLOOD COMING
ACROSS SOUTHERN BORDER.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, I
APPRECIATE IT?
>> GOOD MORNING, THANKS FOR
HAVING ME.
BRIAN: WHEN "60 MINUTES"
DOES A FEATURE.
WHEN MARIA BARTIROMO GOES
DOWN THERE.
WHEN THOMAS FREIDMAN WRITES
A COLUMN.
TALKING ABOUT A CRISIS AT
THE BORDER.
DOES IT CHANGE ANYTHING?
>> I LIKE TO HOPE SO.
AS WE HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING
FOR A BETTER PART OF A YEAR
IF NOT LONGER THERE IS AN
ABSOLUTE CRISIS AT THE
BORDER.
NOT JUST A HUMANITARIAN
CRISIS.
NOT JUST A BORDER SECURITY
CRISIS.
ALSO A PUBLIC SAFETY AND
NATIONAL SECURITY CRISIS.
STEVE: SURE.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF
THE NUMBERS, MATTHEW.
THE NUMBER OF FALSE CLAIMS
OF FAMILY UNITS BETWEEN
OCTOBER 2018 AND MARCH OF TO
192700 MIGRANTS SAID THEY
WERE PART OF A FAMILY BUT
WEREN'T.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT 62% OF
SOUTHWEST BORDER
APPREHENSIONS INVOLVE FAMILY
UNITS OR UNACCOMPANIED
CHILDREN WHO WERE
APPREHENDED.
THAT'S BECAUSE THE FOLKS IN
THESE OTHER COUNTRIES WHO
ARE LOOKING FOR A BETTER
LIFE OR ARE TRYING TO GET TO
THE UNITED STATES THEY KNOW
HOW OUR LAWS WORK.
RIGHT?
>> THEY DO.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THE
SMUGGLERS ARE COACHING THEM
ON THOUSAND MANIPULATE OUR
LAWS.
THAT'S WHY WHAT WE'RE
CURRENTLY DOING IS SURGING
RESOURCES FROM HOMELAND
SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS TO
THE BORDER.
WE'RE SENDING HUMAN
TRAFFICKING EXPERTS,
DOCUMENT FRAUD EXPERTS.
FORENSIC INTERVIEWERS.
VICTIM ASSISTANCE
SPECIALISTS BECAUSE OUR
FIRST AND PRIMARY GOAL IS
THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF
THESE CHILDREN.
THESE CHILDREN ARE BEING
VICTIMIZED.
WE KNOW THEY ARE BEING
TRAFFICKED.
WE KNOW THEY ARE BEING
RECYCLED AND SENT BACK
ACROSS THE BORDER NUMEROUS
TIMES BY CARTELS TO BE
UTILIZED AGAIN AND PLACED
WITH A NONRELATIVE ADULT
JUST SO THAT ADULT CAN BE
RELEASED BECAUSE THEY KNOW
WE CAN'T HOLD THEM.
THESE ARE THE LOOPHOLES THAT
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
WE HAVE ASKED CONGRESS TO
MAKE CHANGES AND THEY
REFUSED TO DO SO AT THIS
POINT.
AINSLEY: AFTER WATCHING
MARIA'S INTERVIEW OVER THE
WEEKEND MY HEART BROKE WHEN
I SAW THOSE TWO LITTLE
GIRLS.
I THINK THEY WERE AGE 6 AND
10.
MOM WAS GOING TO GO GET SOME
FOOD AND NEVER CAME BACK AND
JUST LEFT THE GIRLS.
WHAT HAPPENS?
WHAT DOES OUR COUNTRY DO IN
THOSE SITUATIONS?
WHERE DO THE GIRLS GO?
>> WELL, THOSE CHILDREN,
UNFORTUNATELY WILL BE
PROCESSED BY CBP AND PLACED
WITH HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES.
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
WILL WORK TO FIND A SPONSOR
FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS GLT
COUNTRY.
A LOT OF TIMES OTHER FAMILY
MEMBERS HERE.
USUALLY HERE ILLEGALLY.
OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS TRY TO
TAKE THOSE CHILDREN.
IF NOT WE WILL TRY TO FIND A
FOSTER FAMILY FOR THEM.
BRIAN: LAST NIGHT ON "60
MINUTES" THEY DID A FEATURE.
TALKED ABOUT BORDER PATROL
AGENT RUDY ABOUT WHAT'S
GOING ON AT THE BORDER.
LISTEN.
>> MY WORKFORCE IS DEDICATED
TO THE PROCESSING, TO THE
CARE AND FEEDING TO THE
HOSPITAL WATCH.
THAT TAKES THAT 40% AWAY
FROM BORDER SECURITY
MISSION.
>> THEY ARE MAKING FORMULA.
THEY ARE BRINGING JUICE.
THERE IS A PILE OF DIAPERS
RIGHT THERE.
>> YEAH.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO
DO.
>> IS THAT THE BEST
UTILIZATION OF YOUR TIME
GETTING JUICE AND DIAPERS?
IS THAT WHY YOU WERE HIRED?
NOT THAT IT'S NOT IMPORTANT.
BUT IS THAT UTILIZING YOUR
SKILLS?
>> WELL, THE CHIEF IS RIGHT.
HIS PEOPLE ARE BEING TAXED
TO DO TASKS THAT THEY
WEREN'T TRAINED TO DO AND
NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR.
WE HAVE THE SAME
RESPONSIBILITY WITH ICE.
WE HAVE HAD RESOURCES.
WE HAVE SURGERY MORSEFUL
OPERATION.
RESOURCES TO THE BORDER.
JUST TO DEAL WITH THESE
CRUSH OF BODIES THAT ARE
COMING IN AND PROCESS THEM.
TO THE DETRIMENT OF PUBLIC
SAFETY IN THE COUNTRY.
THOSE OFFICERS THAT
ORDINARILY WOULD BE OUT
THERE ARRESTING CRIMINALS,
ARRESTING GANG MEMBERS,
ARRESTING PUBLIC SAFETY
THREATS OUT THERE ON THE
STREET, THEY ARE NOW AT THE
BORDER EL PASO AND RGV
PROCESSING FAMILIES AND
RELEASING THEM.
STEVE: SURE.
MATTHEW, YOU JUST MENTIONED
ICE.
WHAT'S YOUR MESSAGE TO THE
POLITICIANS IN THIS COUNTRY
WHO HAVE SUGGESTED OVER THE
LAST NUMBER OF MONTHS
ABOLISH ICE BECAUSE THOSE
JOBS CAN BE DONE BY SOMEBODY
ELSE?
THEY REALLY CAN'T.
ONLY ICE AGENTS HAVE THE
EXPERTISE AND TRAINING TO
ENFORCE THE IMMIGRATION LAWS
OF THIS COUNTRY.
COUNTRY.
YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY
DISCUSSION ABOUT BORDER
SECURITY IF YOU ARE TALKING
ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH THE
INTERIOR ENFORCEMENT
COMPONENT.
AS LONG AS THERE IS NO
INTERIOR ENFORCEMENT
COMPONENT TO ITS IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT, YOU WILL NEVER
HAVE BORDER SECURITY.
YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE THAT
PULL FACTOR.
INDIVIDUALS THAT WANT TO
COME TO THIS COUNTRY
ILLEGALLY MUST KNOW IF THEY
DO BY THE BORDER PATROL
THERE IS AN ENTITY LOOKING
FOR THEM LOCATE THEM AND
ARREST THEM AND IF ORDERED
REMOVED BY IMMIGRATION JUDGE
EFFECTUATE THAT REMOVAL.
BRIAN: MAKING YOU GUYS THE
BAD GUYS.
I UNDERSTAND TODAY YOU ARE
MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON
CHILD SMUGGLING AND WITH
YOUR NEW APPROACH TO THAT AS
OF TODAY.
WHAT COULD YOU TELL US?
>> RIGHT, RESOURCES FROM HSI
FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF
WEEKS.
JUST THAT SHORT TEARED
PERIOD OF TIME WE HAVE
IDENTIFIED 3 DOZEN CASES FOR
PROSECUTION.
SMUGGLING.
THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THESE
CHILDREN, THESE ARE
INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE 23, 24
YEARS OLD TRYING TO POSE AS
IF THEY'RE 16 OR 17 BECAUSE
THEY KNOW THEY WILL BE
RELEASED AS A UAC.
UNFORTUNATELY THOSE
INDIVIDUALS GO INTO HHS
SHELTER.
23, 24-YEAR-OLDS IN A
SHELTER WITH 10 AND
12-YEAR-OLD KIDS THAT IS NOT
A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THOSE
CHILDREN.
WE ARE TACKLING IT.
AINSLEY: HOW ARE ARE YOU
ABLE TO TELL THEIR REAL AGE
IF IT'S NOT TRUTHFUL?
>> AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE
INDIVIDUALS HAVE DOCUMENTS.
A LOT ARE FRAUDULENT.
WE WORK WITH THE FOREIGN
GOMPLETSMENT ASUBSTANTIAL
SHAE OFFICES IN NORTHERN
TRIANGLE HELP US WORK ON
THESE CASES.
WE HAVE VERY TRAINED
INTERVIEWERS ARE ABLE TO
FERRET OUT THIS INFORMATION
FROM THEM.
SO WE WILL ATTACK IT FROM
ALL FRONTS.
WE ARE ALSO NOT GOING AFTER
THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
THERE IS ORGANIZATIONS
SUPPLYING THESE DOCUMENTS.
THERE IS ORGANIZATIONS
BRINGING THESE PEOPLE TO THE
BORDER.
GUIDES THEM ACROSS.
WE WILL ATTACK THESE
ORGANIZATIONS BOTH
DOMESTICALLY AND
INTERNATIONALLY.
STEVE: GOOD.
MATTHEW, OVER THE LAST
COUPLE OF WEEKS WE HAVE
HEARD ABOUT HOW BECAUSE YOUR
FACILITIES AT OUR SOUTHERN
BORDER IS COMPLETELY MAXED
OUT.
THEY ARE DROPPING PEOPLE OUT
BY THE THOUSANDS AT BUS
DEPOTS AND DIFFERENT PLACES.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE, YOU
KNOW, SUDDENLY FLOODED WITH
A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY
BUT NONETHELESS THE
GOVERNMENT HAS PLACED THEM
IN THEIR TOWNS?
WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT IN THE
FUTURE?
>> WELL, UNTIL CONGRESS
CHANGES THE LAWS, AND FIXES
THESE LOOPHOLES, AND
PREVENTS US FROM BEING ABLE
TO DETAIN THESE INDIVIDUALS,
DETAIN THESE FAMILIES
TOGETHER, ALLOW THEM TO HAVE
THEIR DUE PROCESS IN
ACCELERATED FASHION AND
REMOVE THEM AT THE END OF
THAT PROCESS IF SO ORDERED
BY A JUDGE OR RELEASE THEM
IF SO ORDERED BY A JUDGE, WE
WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS
PROBLEM.
CONGRESS HAS YET TO FUND AT
A LEVEL WE NEED FOR
DETENTION.
THEY HAVE YET TO FUND AT THE
LEVEL WE NEED FOR
TRANSPORTATION.
WHAT I WOULD SAY TO YOU IS
THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO THE
BORDER.
PEOPLE THINK THIS IS JUST A
BORDER SECURITY ISSUE.
IT'S NOT.
THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT
STAYING AT THE BORDER.
THEY MAY BE THERE FOR A DAY
OR TWO WHILE THEY ARE
WAITING FOR TRANSIT.
THEY ARE COMING TO EVERY