THE FINANCIAL TIMES, EDWARD LOOSE JOINS US AND HEIDI WILL BE
HERE IN JUST A MOMENT.
WE’VE GOT A LOT GOING ON, BUT
WHY DON’T WE START OFF WITH THE
POLL.
POLL. >> WHY DON’T WE DO THAT.
IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE
PRESIDENT’S TWITTER ACCOUNT, YOU
JUST LOOK AT THE VERY DRAMATIC
OH
OH -- I WOULD SAY RADICAL SHIFT IN
PUBLIC OPINI TOWARD
IMPEACHMENT JUST OVER THE PAST
FIVE OR SIX DAYS, IT IS
STUNNING.
STUNNING. >> AND THAT MATTERS TO THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS SAY
THEY APPROVE OF CONGRESSIONAL
DEMOCRATS PUSH TO IMPEACH
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP. 55% SAID THEY’D BACK HOUSE
DEMOCRATS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY
INTO TRUMP ACCORDING TO A NEW
CBS NEWS POLL.
45% SAZID THEY DO NOT APPROVE OF
THE POLL.
THE POLL. THIS FOLLOWS THE POLL LAST WEEK
THAT SHOWED 15 POINT SWING IN
FAVOR OF IMPEACHMENT WHILE NPR
FAVORED IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY THAN
OPPOSED IT.
OPPOSED IT. THIS MATTERS IN A LOT OF WAYS,
BECAUSE HE WATCHES PUBLIC
OPINION IN SOME WAYS SEEMINGLY
FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, BUT
IT COULD MOVE THE METER.
>> THAT’S ACTUALLY ALL THE
PRESIDENT DID.
PRESIDENT DID. REMEMBER EARLY IN THE CAMPAIGN
THE ENTIRE JUSTIFICATION OF HIS
CAMPAIGN WAS JOE BIDEN’S
JUSTIFICATION, I CAN WIN, I’M IN
FIRST PLACE IN THE POLLS.
JONATHAN, YOU JUST LOOK AT THE
SHIFTS, AND WE CAN GO BACK EVEN
TO THE BEGINNING OF LAST WEEK, I
THINK IT WAS A "Q" POLL THAT
SHOWED APPROVAL FOR IMPEACHMENT
DOWN IN THE 30s BY THE END OF
THE WEEK WE WERE IN THE 40s.
NOW THIS WEEKEND AFTER AMERICANS
HAVE HAD TIME TO DIGEST ALL OF
THE INFORMATION, THE FLOOD OF
INFORMATION COMING AT THEM, NOW
IT’S 55%, WELL OVER HALF OF
AMERICANS WANT TO SEE THIS
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY MOVED
FORWARD.
FORWARD. MOST TROUBLING FOR THE PRESIDENT
I WOULD THINK IS THAT 20% OF
THOSE ARE 20% OF THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY NOW ALSO WANTS TO SEE AN
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. >> THERE’S BEEN A REAL SEAT
CHANGE HERE, JOE AND MIKKA.
FOR MONTHS SPEAKER PELOSI WANTED
TO STAY AWAY FROM IMPEACHMENT IN
PART BECAUSE OF -- SEEING THAT
THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS DIDN’T
WANT TO GO THERE AND NOW THAT
HAS CHANGED.
HAS CHANGED. THE HOUSE IS ON RECESS.
MEMBERS ARE BACK IN THEIR
DISTRICTS TAKING THE
TEMPERATURES OF THEIR
CONSTITUENTS AND MAY FIND WHAT
IS REFLECTED IN THIS POLLING,
THAT MORE AND MORE AMERICANS
WANT TO GO THERE.
THIS IS A WHITE HOUSE THAT NOW
FEELS UNDER SIEGE.
HE’S TWEETING SUPPORTERS TALKING
ABOUT CIVIL WAR, DEMANDING TO
MEET THE WHISTLE-BLOWER AND
WHOEVER SUPPLIED THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER WITH INFORMATION
BECAUSE HE FEELS LIKE HE SHOULD
BE ABLE TO MEET HIS ACCUSERS.
HE FEELS THAT THERE’S A SENSE
THERE AND NO FORMAL WAR ROOM,
NOT YET.
NOT YET. TO THIS POINT THE WHITE HOUSE
RESPONSE HAS BEEN TO DISPATCH
SENIOR AIDES TO TV SHOWS.
WE SAW STEVEN MILLER AND RUDY
GIULIANI OVER THE WEEKEND AND
RELYING ON THE PRESIDENT’S OWN
TWEETS.
TWEETS. THERE IS A SENSE THEY’RE SIMPLY
NOT READY FOR WHAT’S COMING.
>> WE SAW THIS WEEKEND DISMAL
PERFORMANCES BY MEMBERS OF THE
PRESIDENT’S TEAM.
PRESIDENT’S TEAM. IF THAT’S ANY INDICATION OF HOW
PREPARED THEY ARE FOR
IMPEACHMENT, THE PRESIDENT’S IN
TROUBLE.
TROUBLE. YOU HAVE THE MINORITY LEADER OF
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES NOT
EVEN KNOWING WHAT WAS IN THE
TRANSCRIPT THAT THE WHITE HOUSE
ITSELF RELEASED.
ITSELF RELEASED. >> IT’S ONLY A FEW PAGES LONG.
>> DAVID, AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT
THESE NUMBERS, YOU LOOK AT THE
SHIFT.
SHIFT. THIS IS MOVING VERY QUICKLY.
YET THE WHITE HOUSE STILL SEEMS
ILL PREPARED.
ILL PREPARED. NOTHING LIKE THE CLINTON WHITE
HOUSE WITH THEIR IMPEACHMENT WAR
ROOM.
ROOM. NOTHING LIKE NIXON’S WHITE HOUSE
AS WELL.
AS WELL. THIS REMAINS EVEN IN THE MOST
DIRE OF TIMES FOR THIS PRESIDENT
AND THIS ADMINISTRATION A
ONE-MAN CIRCUS ACT.
>> JOE, YOU PUT IT RIGHT.
HE’S HIS OWN WAR ROOM.
HE’S MAKING HIMSELF IN EFFECT
HIS OWN LAWYER.
AS THIS GETS MORE SERIOUS, HE’S
CERTAIN TO TAKE ON COUNSEL AS HE
DID DURING THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. GIULIANI’S ROLE IS ALREADY
PROBLEMATIC.
PROBLEMATIC. HE’S ONE OF THE TARGETS IN
EFFECT OF THIS INQUIRY.
THE CONTRAST TO ME THAT’S MOST
INTERESTING AFTER THIS LAST WEEK
IS THE CAREFUL AND QUITE
METHODICAL WAY THAT DEMOCRATS
ARE PROCEEDING.
ARE PROCEEDING. PELOSI’S TONE IS MORE SORROW
THAN ANGER.
THAN ANGER. THIS IS OUR LAST RESORT, WE
DON’T WANT TO MAKE THINGS WORSE,
AND SHE’S CHOSEN ADAM SCHIFF TO
MADE THIS INQUIRY, A PERSON WHO
IS VERY CONTROLLED, DOESN’T GET
SPUN OFF, DOESN’T APPEAR AS
POLITICAL AS SOME OF HIS
COLLEAGUES, AND I THINK THAT
CONTRAST BETWEEN A WHITE HOUSE
THAT’S IN A FEVER AND DEMOCRATS
WHO ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE FEVER
DOWN IS ONE THING WE SHOULD KEEP
OUR EYE ON.
I THINK PELOSI HAS CONCLUDED THE
POLITICAL DAMAGE FROM THE
DEMOCRATS WILL BE SEEMING TO
JUMP INTO AN ANTI-TRUMP CIRCUS
AND THEY’RE GOING TO AVOID THAT.
I THINK THEY’LL GO DELIBERATELY,
BUT I DON’T THINK THEY WANT TO
SEEM IN A RUSH AND THEY’RE GOING
TO GO NARROWLY.
THEY’RE NOT GOING TO SPREAD THIS
TO EVERYTHING THAT DRIVES US
CRAZY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THAT’S
GOING TO BE SPECIFIC TO THE
UKRAINE WHISTLE-BLOWER
UKRAINE WHISTLE-BLOWER ALLEGATIONS.
ALLEGATIONS. >> AND ED, ONE OF THE BIGGER
PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW OF THE WHITE
HOUSE AND MORE TO THE POINT,
REPUBLICANS ON THE HILL ARE
FACING IS THE PERFORMANCE OF
RUDY GIULIANI IN PUBLIC.
REPUBLICANS STARTING TO COMPLAIN
BITTERLY THAT GIULIANI JUST
NEEDS TO BE QUIET.
AND YET EVERY TIME HE GOES ON A
TELEVISION SHOW HE DOES MORE
DAMAGE FOR THE PRESIDENT MAKING
CLAIMS THAT CAN HURT THE
PRESIDENT DOWN THE ROAD.
>> HE DOES.
HE’S ACTUALLY BEEN GIVEN, IF
YOU’VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION
BEFORE THIS SCANDAL BLUE UPEW UP
THE LAST WEEK WHEN IT WAS JUST
SIMMERING, HE’S BEEN GIVING
INTERVIEWS ALL ALONG BASICALLY
MIXING THE REAL PLAYBOOK WITH A
BUNCH OF DECOY STORIES MIXED UP
TOGETHER FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS
AND MONTHS ON UKRAINE.
AND OF COURSE TRUMP WATCHES HIM.
TRUMP APPROVES OF HIS
PERFORMANCE, AND THEN HE TAKES
LINES FROM HIM.
SO GIULIANI HAS MORE THAN ONCE
HINTED THAT DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY
WILL BE THREATENED BY AN
IMPEACHMENT PROCESS.
IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. TRUMP, OF COURSE, HAS BEEN
PICKING UP ON THIS CIVIL WAR.
IT’S NOT JUST GIULIANI TRUMP IS
PICKING UP ON.
STEVE BANNON WHO IS RUMORED TO
BE BACK INTO THE WHITE HOUSE IF
THERE IS TO BE SOME KIND OF A
DEFENSE TEAM, A REBUTTAL UNIT,
TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST SHOT AT
FT. SUMTER BEING FIRED LAST
WEEK.
WEEK. GIULIANI IS OFF THE CHARTS IN
SOME RESPECTS.
SOME RESPECTS. AMAZINGLY UNKNOWING IN TERMS OF
HOW MUCH HE GIVES AWAY, BUT IT’S
NOT JUST GIULIANI.
THERE IS A SWELL OF REALLY,
REALLY DISTURBING, REALLY FETED
AND HEATED RHETORIC AROUND THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. HE’S CLEARLY NOT LISTENING TO
PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE THAT
UNANIMOUSLY ADVISED HIM NOT TO
MAKE THAT CALL ON THE 25th.
HE’S LISTENING TO THE MORE
EXTREME VOICES ON TV WHO USED TO
ADVISE HIM OR IN GIULIANI’S CASE
ACT AS HIS PERSONAL LAWYER.
IT’S VERY TROUBLING TO SEE REAL
TIME A PRESIDENT SHARE HIS
DEEPEST FEARS AND PARANOIAS ON
TWITTER.
TWITTER. I’M SURE JOHNSON AND CLINTON AND
WE KNOW NIXON WERE DEEPLY
PARANOID ABOUT THE SITUATION
THEY WERE IN.
THEY WEREN’T TWEETING IT LIVE.
WHAT’S IN TRUMP’S HEAD IS COMING
TO US LIVE ON OUR TWITTER FEEDS.
AND IT’S BEING SUPPLIED BY THE
LIKES OF RUDY GIULIANI, STEVE
BANNON, AND OTHERS WHO TRUMP
TAKES HIS QUE FROM, NOT BALANCED
MINDS.
MINDS. >> NO.
>> NO. JONATHAN MENTIONED THE
PRESIDENT’S TWEETS.
PRESIDENT’S TWEETS. THE PRESIDENT IS NOW DEMANDING
TO MEET THE WHISTLE-BLOWER AND
WANTS TO HAVE HOUSE INTEL
CHAIRMAN ADAM SCHIFF QUESTIONED
FOR TREASON.
FOR TREASON. HE POSTED, QUOTE, LIKE EVERY
AMERICAN, I DESERVE TO MEET MY
ACCUSER, ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS
ACCUSER IS SO-CALLED
WHISTLE-BLOWER REPRESENTED A
PERFECT CONVERSATIONS WITH A
FOREIGN LEADER IN A TOTALLY
INACCURATE AND FRAUDULENT WAY,
THEN SCHIFF MADE UP WHAT I
ACTUALLY SAID BY LYING TO
CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. HIS LIES WERE MADE IN PERHAPS
THE MOST BLATANT AND SINISTER
MANNER EVER SEEN IN THE GREAT
CHAMBER.
CHAMBER. HE WROTE DOWN AND READ TERRIBLE
THINGS, THEN SAID IT WAS FROM
THE MOUTH OF THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES.
I WANT SCHIFF QUESTIONED AT THE
HIGHEST LEVEL FOR FRAUD AND
TREASON.
TREASON. IN ADDITION, I WANT TO MEET NOT
ONLY MY ACCUSER WHO PRESENTED
SECOND AND THIRDHAND
INFORMATION, BUT ALSO THE PERSON
WHO ILLEGALLY GAVE THIS
INFORMATION WHICH WAS LARGELY
INCORRECT TO THE WHISTLE-BLOWER.
WAS THIS PERSON SPYING ON THE
U.S., BLAH, BLAH, BIG
CONSEQUENCES.
CONSEQUENCES. BY THE WAY, THE WHITE HOUSE PUT
OUT A MEMO DESCRIBING WHAT
HAPPENED, WHICH CORROBORATED THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER’S REPORT, SO HE’S
TRYING TO COVER UP HIS OWN WHITE
HOUSE MEMO.
HOUSE MEMO. TAKE THOSE DOWN.
IT’S HONESTLY --
>> IT IS PARANOIA --
>> IT’S ACTUALLY INCORRECT AND A
LITTLE CRAZY.
LITTLE CRAZY. >> IT’S FACTUALLY INCORRECT AND
DEEPLY DISTURBING AND
UNBALANCED.
UNBALANCED. THIS IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES WHO ACTUALLY
SUGGESTED THAT THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER BE TRIED FOR
TREASON AND THEN EXECUTED.
THIS IS A PRESIDENT NOW WHO’S
EXTENDING THAT TO THE CHAIRMAN
OF THE INTEL COMMITTEE TALKING
ABOUT TREASON AS WELL.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES, AGAIN, IT’S GOT TO BE
TIRING FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS AND
REPUBLICANS ON THE HILL TO
LISTEN TO THE PRESIDENT LYING
AND KNOWING THEY HAVE TO GO OUT
AND COVER FOR THOSE LIES AND TRY
TO COVER UP THOSE LIES.
>> AND WHO WOULD DO THAT?
>> I DON’T KNOW.
WELL, ACTUALLY, WE DO KNOW.
YOU CAN SEE THEM THIS AFTERNOON
DOING IT AND SEEING IT
THROUGHOUT THE DAY, BUT THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
AND LINDSEY GRAMHAM AND OTHERS
TALKING ABOUT HEARSAY.
OF COURSE, POOR LINDSEY MAY RUN
THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
HE DOESN’T KNOW THE BASICS ABOUT
LAW AND EVIDENCE AND HEARSAY
EXCEPTIONS, BUT WE’LL LET
LINDSEY WORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES SAYING THAT THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER’S COMPLAINT WAS
SECONDHAND INFORMATION THAT HE
GOT WRONG.
GOT WRONG. HEIDI, YOU CAN -- DONALD TRUMP
SHOULD SAY ARE YOU GOING TO
BELIEVE ME OR YOUR LYING EYES
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MEMO THAT
THE WHITE HOUSE ITSELF PUT OUT
THAT CONFIRMS JUST ABOUT
EVERYTHING THAT THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER SAID ABOUT THIS
UKRAINIAN CALL THAT’S AT THE
CENTER OF THE IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY.
INQUIRY. >> IT WAS A LITTLE SURREAL TO
SEE THE PRESIDENT’S DEFENDERS
THIS WEEKEND DENY WHAT WAS IN
THE WRITTEN TRANSCRIPT.
THERE WERE NOT ONLY DENYING WHAT
WE’VE ALL READ WITH OUR OWN
EYES, BUT THEY WERE PROFOUNDLY
TWISTING THE ENTIRE NARRATIVE OF
WHAT HAPPENED IN UKRAINE TO
SOMEHOW SUGGEST THAT JOE BIDEN
WAS ADVOCATING FOR SOME KIND OF
NEFARIOUS PURPOSE IN GETTING
THIS PROSECUTOR FIRED WHEN I
THINK WE NEED TO RESTATE THIS
OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE ENTIRE
WESTERN WORLD WAS ON THE SAME
PAGE, THAT THIS PROSECUTOR
NEEDED TO GO.
HE WAS A KREMLIN ALLY HOLDOVER
WHO WAS HIMSELF BEING ACCUSED OF
CORRUPTION.
CORRUPTION. IN FACT, IT WAS SO BAD THAT YOU
HAD THE WORLD BANK, THE IMF, THE
EU, YOU HAD THE IMF TALKING
ABOUT WITHHOLDING AID TO
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE. IT WAS THE UKRAINIAN PARLIAMENT
THAT THEN VOTED TO OUST HIM.
SO JOE BIDEN WAS SIMPLY THE
MESSENGER FOR THE ENTIRE WESTERN
WORLD AND YOU SAW LINDSEY GRAHAM
AND OTHER PROPONENTS FOR THE
PRESIDENT ESSENTIALLY TWISTING
THOSE FACTS IN A VERY DISTURBING
WAY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT, BUT YOU
HAVE THIS CAMPAIGN TO REALLY
MESS UP WHAT ARE
INCONTROVERTIBLE FACTS THAT THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD
UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
ANOTHER THING THAT IS BEING
TWISTED, WE CAN TALK ABOUT
HUNTER BIDEN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT
ANY NUMBER OF FAMILY MEMBERS OF
HIGH RANKING OFFICIALS GETTING
JOBS ON THE BOARDS OF COMPANIES.
THAT’S A WHOLE SEPARATE
CONVERSATION HERE.
CONVERSATION HERE. BUT THIS INCIDENT WITH HUNTER
BIDEN, HE DIDN’T SERVE ON THE
BOARD UNTIL TWO YEARS LATER
AFTER THIS COMPANY HAD BEEN
CLEANED UP AND THE ISSUE OF
CORRUPTION AT HEART THAT WAS
BEING INVESTIGATED HAD OCCURRED
TWO YEARS BEFORE.
SO I WANTED TO SET THOSE FACTS
STRAIGHT.
STRAIGHT. >> AND AS HEIDI WAS GOING DOWN
THE LIST OF ALL THE FOREIGN
COUNTRIES AND THE IMF AND ALL OF
THE EUROPEAN INSTITUTIONS THAT
WERE DEMANDING THE FIRING OF
THIS PROSECUTOR, THAT BIDEN WENT
IN FOLLOWING BARACK OBAMA’S
ORDERS AND PUSHED THE PROSECUTOR
TO BE FIRED, THAT IS ALSO DONALD
TRUMP’S JOE BIDEN THEORY, THAT’S
ALSO BEEN DISCREDITED BY RUPERT