IT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THE
THIS CRITICAL INTELLIGENCE
INFORMATION WILL VINDICATE THE
CLAIMS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY SO
MANY AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY
ESSENTIAL THAT WE SHARE IT WITH
ALL AMERICANS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FIGHTING FOR
IN THE CONGRESS.
TELL YOU I AM AS CERTAIN AS EVER
THAT THE CLAIMS WE HAVE BEEN
MAKING ARE ACCURATE CLAIMS, THAT
THAT THERE HAS BEEN A REAL
ATTEMPT TO UNDERMINE THIS
PRESIDENT AND IT HAS COME FROM
THE SCARIEST OF PLACES.
LIZ: THAT'S FLORIDA REPUBLICAN
MATT GATES.
HE ALSO SAID HE THINKS PEOPLE
WILL GO TO JAIL OVER THIS STORY.
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE THAT
SUGGESTS AND REVEALS ALLEGE ED
WIDESPREAD FISA ABUSE BY THE
OBAMA-ERA JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND
JAMES COMEY'S FBI.
IT ALLEGEDLY OUTLINES HOW THE
ANTI-TRUMP DOSSIER THAT FILE WAS
USED AS A PRE-TEXT BY THE FBI IN
ORDER TO GET FISA WIRE TAPS ON
CALL IT SHOCKING AND TROUBLING.
HOW SERIOUS IS THIS SITUATION
WITH THIS MEMO?
>> I THINK IT'S PRETTY SERIOUS,
LIZ.
THE WHOLE THING SOUNDS LIKE A
NOVEL COME TO LIFE AND I THINK
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS A COUPLE
OF THINGS.
THE WHOLE THING ORIGINATES IN
WHAT I WOULD CALL THE TRUMP
PANIC.
ELECTION.
THOSE OF US WHO ARE AROUND
POLITICS REMEMBER THAT ARE EVEN
IN LIKE A CITY LIKE THIS WHEN
TRUMP GOT ELECTED PEOPLE WERE IN
A PANIC THAT THIS GUY HAD
SOMEHOW A SENDED TO THE AMERICAN
PRESIDENCY.
IT WAS TOO MANY PEOPLE UTTERLY
UNTHINKABLE.
WHAT'S GOING TO BECOME OF THE
COUNTRY, AND THE NEW YORK TIMES
REPORTED EARLY LAST YEAR THAT
THERE WAS THIS, THERE WERE THESE
INTELLIGENCE THINGS GOING AROUND
INSIDE THE INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY WHICH THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION DECIDED TO
DISBURSE WIDELY THROUGH ALL 17
INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES IN THE
TIMES REPORTED THIS EXPLICITLY
BECAUSE THEY FELT THE OBAMA
PEOPLE FELT THERE WAS EVIDENCE
HERE OF TRUMP COLLUSION WITH THE
RUSSIANS AND SOMEHOW I'M SURE
EVEN THEY WERE IN A PANIC ABOUT
THIS.
IN THE FBI CROSSED THE LINE IN
TRYING TO PUSH THIS STORY IN A
WAY THAT WOULD SUPPRESS THE
TRUMP PRESIDENCY.
LIZ: WE KNOW THAT THE DNC AND
THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN HELPED PAY
FOR THE ANTI-TRUMP FILE PREPARED
BY CHRISTOPHER STEEL.
FBI FORMER DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY
TO THIS DAY WILL NOT ANSWER
QUESTIONS WHETHER THE FBI ALSO
HELPED PAY FOR IT.
A DAILY BASIS THEY WERE UNMASK
ING AND REMEMBER IT'S ALSO
BRUCE OHR AT THE DOJ AND SO
FORTH.
THE FISA COURTS ARE VERY SERIOUS
OPERATION AND THERE ARE RULES
WARRANTS AND SO FORTH AND I
SUSPECT THAT PEOPLE INSIDE THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, INSIDE THE
OBAMA WHITE HOUSE, THE
INTELLIGENT AGENCY AND THE FBI
WENT OVER THE LINE IN SOME
INSTANCES TO TRY TO GET DEEPER
ABOUT TRUMP AND THE RUSSIANS AND
I'LL TELL YOU, WHEN I SAY NOT
THE FBI IS GOING TO SHOW ITS
EXTRAORDINAIRE EXTRAORDINARILY
EMBARRASSED BY RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE.
LIZ: YOU THINK IT'S COLD WAR
STUFF BY THE WAY I NEED TO
CORRECT MYSELF: THE UNMASKSING
WHEN I SAID BRUCE OHR AT THE DOJ
I MEANT THAT BRUCE OHR'S WIFE
WORKED FOR FUSION GPS AND HE WAS
LET GO BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
LIZ: THAT'S RIGHT.
>> AND PETER STRZOK AND BRUCE
OHR AND NOW WORKS FOR MR.
MUELLER WHO SENT OUT A MEMO
SAYING THAT SALLY YATES WAS
RIGHT TO OPPOSE PRESIDENT TRUMP.
I MEAN PEOPLE WERE BESIDE
THE QUESTION NOW IS WHETHER THAT
DOSSIER WAS IN NO SMALL PART
DISINFORMATION THAT WAS PLANTED
BY THE RUSSIAN FSB AND THEY JUST
SIMPLY PLAYED OUR SIDE OF THE
GAME AND THAT NOW LED TO THE
POINT WHERE I THINK THE FBI IS
EXTREMELY EMBARRASSED ABOUT
WHAT HAS GONE ON HERE.
THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU
DISCIPLINE THEM FOR DOING THESE
SORTS OF THINGS.
SIMPSON, HE'S ONE OF THE CO-
SO-CALLED ANTI-TRUMP FILE.
GLENN SIMPSON DISCLOSED FOR THE
FIRST TIME IN TESTIMONY THAT HE
DID MEET JUST AFTER THE ELECTION
POINTED OUT HE WAS
MONTH AFTER HIS MEETING WITH
GLENN SIMPSON WAS DISCLOSED AND
HE ALSO TESTIFIED THAT BRUCE OHR
MET WITH THE AUTHOR OF THAT FILE
CHRISTOPHER STEEL BEFORE THE
ELECTION.
WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT
REVELATION ABOUT THIS SIMPSON
TESTIMONY?
>> WELL THAT SIMPSON WAS ENGAGED
IN SUCH CLOSE CONTACT WITH
OFFICIALS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE.
I MEAN SOMEONE LIKE GLENN
SIMPSON IS USUALLY INVOLVED WITH
REPORTERS AND TRYING TO DIG
STUFF UP BUT HE WAS NOW
DEVELOPING A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
AND AS I SAY, LIZ I THINK
THERE'S A QUESTION HERE.
HOW YOU DISCIPLINE THIS KIND OF
ACTIVITY, COMPARE THAT TO WHAT
MILITARY, YOU GET CALLED TO
ACCOUNT AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY
DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU'RE A FOUR
STAR GENERAL AT THE TOP OF THE
CHAIN OR BRADLEY MANNING A
PRIVATE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
YOU WILL BE DISCIPLINED BUT
INSIDE THE FBI, THE CIA, HOW DO
THEY DISCIPLINE THE KIND OF
BEHAVIOR BY PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY
AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT
THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE
IS TRYING TO COME TO GRIPS WITH.
LIZ: WHAT A STORY WE'RE STAYING