>> Sandra: MORE TURMOIL AS
"THE NEW YORK TIMES"
"THE NEW YORK TIMES," CHANGING A
FRONT-PAGE HEADLINE ON
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SPEECH
FOLLOWING THE RECENT SHOOTINGS
IN EL PASO AND OHIO.
NOW THEY HAVE DEMOTED THEIR
EDITOR FOR CONTROVERSIAL TWEETS
ABOUT RACE AND POLITICS.
"THE NEW YORK POST" COLUMNIST
AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR MICHAEL
GOODWIN IS HERE.
HE SAYS THAT THEY HAVE AN ISSUE.
IN YOUR PIECE, YOU WRITE "TRUMP
SELECTION IN INFERIOR RATED
DOMINIC DOMINIC INFURIATED THEM.
EVERY ARTICLE IS AN OPINION.
AND NEGATIVE."
>> I THINK IF YOU READ THE TIMES
ANY DAY FROM FRONT-PAGE TO LAST,
TELEVISION COVERAGE, IT'S ALL
ANTI-TRUMP.
AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE HEADLINES.
IT'S NOT SUBTLE.
IT'S RIGHT UP FRONT EVERY DAY.
AND I THINK THIS IS A TOTAL
CORRUPTION OF JOURNALISM NOW.
THIS IS NO LONGER ABOUT COVERING
THE NEWS.
THIS IS ABOUT HAVING A POLITICAL
AGENDA, CULTURAL AGENDA.
AND AN EDUCATIONAL AGENDA.
AND IT IS JUST THROUGHOUT THE
PAPER, AND I THINK THAT THE OLD
STANDARDS OF FAIRNESS THAT
SOMEHOW YOU AT LEAST LOOK AT THE
OTHER SIDE, YOU LET THE READER
DRAW THE CONCLUSION, NOT JUST
TALKING ABOUT THE OPINION PAGES.
TALKING ABOUT THE NEWS PAGES,
THE FRONT PAGE.
I THINK IT HAS JUST LOST ITS WAY
NOW.
>> Bill: HERE IS THE LATEST
DUSTUP.
WE WILL CALL IT THAT.
A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, HERE IS
THAT HEADLINE.
"TRUMP URGES UNITY VERSUS
RACISM."
THIS IS ON MONDAY.
SORRY, TUESDAY.
THAT RAN FOR A VERY SHORT TIME
BECAUSE THEY CHANGE THE
HEADLINE.
IF YOU GO BACK TO HEADLINE
NUMBER ONE, UNITY VERSUS RACISM,
IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> YES, IT IS ACCURATE.
IT IS SOMEWHAT BENIGN, BUT THIS
WAS A DAY OF NATIONAL MOURNING
AND GRIEF.
AND THE PRESENT DOWN MY
PRESIDENT I THOUGHT TOUCHED OFF
OF ALL OF THE ISSUES.
IT WAS VERY SOBERING, IT WAS
FITTING FOR THE EVENT.
>> Bill: YOUR ANALYSIS ON
THIS, WHY IS THE FIRST LINE NOT
GOOD ENOUGH?
>> BECAUSE IT WAS DEEMED
INSUFFICIENTLY HOSTILE TO THE
PRESIDENT.
THERE WAS I TWITTER UP OR,
PEOPLE IN THE PAPER WHO INSISTED
THAT THE HEADLINE BE CHANGED,
AND IT WAS BETWEEN ADDITIONS.
VERY DIFFERENT TO TAKE A WHOLE
DIFFERENT TONE IN YOUR HEADLINE
BETWEEN ADDITIONS.
>> Sandra: NOT ONLY THAT, BUT
AN APOLOGY FOR IT CAME FROM THE
EDITOR.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, THEY CONVENE A
STAFF MEETING BECAUSE EVERYBODY
IS UPSET.
HE DESCRIBES IT AS OF DOMINIC A
MESS.
THEY ARE NOW BEING SHAMED WITHIN
THE PAPER.
THE EDITOR SAYS THAT HE FEELS
SICK.
HE FEELS TERRIBLE ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, MY GOODNESS.
WHAT IS GOING ON THERE?
>> Bill: THE ENTRANCES THAT
THEY WANT THEM TO BE MORE
AGGRESSIVE.
>> I THINK IT IS MORE THAN JUST
AGGRESSIVE, HOWEVER.
YOU MUST HAVE A NEGATIVE
CRITICAL TOWN EVERY DAY ON
EVERYTHING.
THIS IS NOW PARTY LINES,
THROUGHOUT THE PAPER.
THAT'S WHERE I THINK YOU SEE THE
SIGN THAT THE TRADITIONS OF
FAIRNESS HAVE TOTALLY BROKEN
DOWN.
THERE IS NO CALL ANYMORE FOR
FAIRNESS.
THERE IS SIMPLY WE DON'T LIKE
DONALD TRUMP.
WE HATE HIM.
WE SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON.
THEY LOVED BARACK OBAMA.
THEY ARE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING
THAT THEY CAN TO MAKE
DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T GET FOUR
MORE YEARS.
THAT IS NOT JOURNALISM.
>> Sandra: 2020 IS QUICKLY
APPROACHING.
HOW DO YOU SEE THEIR COVERAGE?
>> I THINK THAT THEY WILL PICK A
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE AT SOME
POINT, AND THEY WILL RUN WITH
THAT CANDIDATE.
THEY WILL BE THE PROPAGANDA ARM
OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
TRYING TO DEFEAT THE PRESIDENT.
>> Bill: DEPUTY EDITOR.
HE HAS BEEN DEMOTED WITHIN
"THE NEW YORK TIMES," DEMOTED
FOR SOME OF HIS TWEETS.
HOW COME?
>> AS I GATHER, SOME OF HIS
TWEETS WERE AGAINST
RASHIDA TLAIB AND ILHAN OMAR.
AND HE WAS ARGUING WITH THEM.
NOW, MANY TIMES, REPORTERS ARE
ON TWITTER, SAYING VERY CAUSTIC
THINGS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT.
THEY DON'T GET DEMOTED.
ONLY THE ONES WHO ARE SORT OF
BREAKING RANKS WITH THE OTHERS.
>> Bill: THAT'S HOW YOU SEE
IT?
>> THAT'S HOW I SEE IT.
YOU WILL SEE ALL THE TIMES THAT
THE REPORTERS ON TWITTER, THEY
SAY THINGS -- THEY DON'T PUT
THEM IN THE PAPER, NECESSARILY,
BUT THEY ARE DISPARAGING THE
PRESIDENT.