NOVEMBER.
JACKIE?
JACKIE: MIKE EMANUEL, THANK YOU
SO MUCH.
WITH US FORMER ACTING I.C.E.
DIRECTOR, HERITAGE FOUNDATION
VISITING FELLOW TOM HOMAN.
ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE YOU, TOM.
I REMEMBER ON THE 2020 CAMPAIGN
TRAIL WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS TALKING
ABOUT THIS HE WOULD SAY NOT
ANOTHER FOOT, YET HERE WE ARE
THIS HAPPENED QUIETLY ON
THURSDAY AND IT SEEMS TO BE A
FLIP-FLOP BUT TO THE POINT MIKE
MADE IN HIS REPORT IT ALSO COULD
BE A LITTLE BIT AFTER POWER GRAB
AHEAD OF THE MIDTERMS.
YOUR THOUGHTS WHAT IS HAPPENING
IN ARIZONA RIGHT NOW?
>> IT ABSOLUTELY IS POLITICS.
LOOK THEY HAVEN’T DONE ONE THING
TO SECURE THE BORDER.
NOW THEY’RE WAITING FOR THREE
MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION TO
SAY THEY DID SOMETHING.
THIS IS ABOUT DAMAGE CONTROL.
THE BORDER, THAT THE BORDER IS A
BAD ISSUE FOR THEM AND THEY KNOW
IT.
EVERY MONTH ANOTHER HISTORIC
CRISIS.
THEY HAVEN’T TAKEN THIS
SERIOUSLY AT ALL THIS IS ABOUT
MARK KELLY THIS IS ABOUT TRYING
TO KEEP HIS SEAT IN THE SENATE.
AND THIS IS, IT IS REALLY,
THEY’RE NOT GOING TO BUILD MILES
OF WALL.
THEY MAY CLOSE SOME OPEN AREAS
WHERE THE GATES WERE NEVER
INSTALLED BUT LOOK, THIS
ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT WANT TO
SHUT THIS DOWN.
THEY HAVEN’T DONE A SINGLE THING
TO SLOW THE FLOW.
THE SECRETARY JUST LAST WEEK
SAID THE BORDER IS SECURE AND IS
CLOSED.
SO THEY DON’T THINK THERE IS AN
ISSUE THIS IS EXACTLY THEIR
PLAN, OPEN BORDERS.
THIS IS NOTHING BUT A POLITICAL
PLOY JUST LIKE, LET ME TALK
ABOUT MURIEL BOWSER IN D.C.
ABOUT HER ISSUES.
SHE IS A SANCTUARY CITY.
IF SHE WANTS TO STOP ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION IN HER CITY GIVE
AWAY THE SANCTUARY CITY STATUS
THAT PROTECTS ILLEGAL ALIENS
EVEN IF THEY GET ARRESTED FOR
CRIME.
WHETHER THE GOVERNOR OF TEXAS IS
SENDING THEM TO HER OR NOT, SHE
IS GETTING A LOT OF ILLEGAL
IMMIGRANTS COMING TO D.C.
BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY’RE
PROTECTED BY THE CITY
GOVERNMENT, EVEN IF THEY GET
ARRESTED THEY’RE NOT CALLING
I.C.E.
GET RID OF SANCTUARY CITY
POLICIES.
RATHER THAN CALL OUT NATIONAL
GUARD, MAYBE A PHONE CALL DOWN
THE STREET TO THE PRESIDENT,
TELL HIM TO SECURE THE BORDER.
YOU WOULDN’T HAVE THIS ISSUE.
JACKIE: YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT
THIS OUTCRY FOR EXAMPLE, FROM
BOWSER FOR THE NATIONAL GUARD,
SHE DOESN’T GET THE HELP SHE IS
SAYING WE NEED RIGHT NOW.
SEE I ASKED FOR HELP.
I DIDN’T GET THE HELP I NEEDED.
WHAT YOU’RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO
GET DOWN TO THE ROOT CAUSE OF
THE PROBLEM.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO ARIZONA FOR
A MOMENT.
THIS IS ALSO AN ADMINISTRATION
THAT SAID WALLS DON’T WORK.
BARRIERS DON’T WORK THAT IS NOT
THE ANSWER, THAT IS NOT THE
SOLUTION.
WHETHER THEY’RE FILLING IN SOME
GAPS, REPLACING THOSE GATES,
WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, IS
THIS EVEN POSSIBLY A STEP IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION FOR THE NEXT,
YOU KNOW, 2 1/2 YEARS?
>> LOOK I’M SUSPICIOUS.
I AGAIN, I THINK THEY RAN ON
OPEN BORDERS.
THEY HAVEN’T DONE A SINGLE THING
TO SLOW THE FLOW BUT WALLS DO
WORK AND FOR THEM TO SAY WE’RE
GOING TO BUILD, FILL IN THESE
GAPS IN YUMA, AREN’T THEY REALLY
ADMITTING WALLS WORK, BARRIERS
WORK?
JACKIE: EXACTLY.
>> WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS A SENATOR,
WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS A SENATOR HE
VOTED FOR BROADER BARRIERS
SEVERAL TIMES ESPECIALLY DURING
THE 2006 SECURE FENCE ACT.
SO DID CHUCK SCHUMER AND SO DID
BARACK OBAMA, SO DID HILLARY
CLINTON.
WALLS WORK, DATA CLEARLY SHOWS
IT.
THE HOUSE SPOKESMAN THE OTHER
DAY SAID THEY’RE TRYING TO FIX
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WALLS
WERE NOT INEFFECTIVE.
THAT IS A LIE.
WALLS WORK.
GO TO THE CBP WEBSITE.
EVERY PLACE THERE IS BORDER
BARRIER ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
DECLINED.
JACKIE: YOU BRING UP A GREAT
POINT.
ARIZONA OBVIOUSLY HARD HIT BY
THE CRISIS AS WELL.
WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION
CIRCULATING THAT MAYBE IT’S
PRESSING TIME OR RIGHT TIME TO
DECLARE THIS INVASION STATUS, AT
LEAST THAT IS HOW IT FEELS TO
THEM DOWN THERE, TOM.
FINAL WORD?
>> LOOK, YOU KNOW, I READ IN THE
PAPER A LOT PEOPLE ARE SAYING
WELL APPARENTLY TRUMP’S WALL
DOESN’T WORK BECAUSE WE HAVE
HISTORIC IMMIGRATION.
THE QUESTION IS WHERE ARE THE
LARGE GROUP COMINGS RIGHT NOW?
WHERE THERE ISN’T A WALL.
JUST LIKE YUMA.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAD IT
RIGHT.
THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAD IT
WRONG FROM DAY ONE.
THEY STILL HAVEN’T DONE A SINGLE
THING TO SECURE OUR SOUTHERN
BORDER.
JACKIE: GREAT TO SEE YOU.