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MELISSA: SIGN OF THINGS TO COME.
LORI LOUGHLIN IS DOUBLING DOWN
PLEADING NOT GUILTY TO NEW
FEDERAL BRIBERY CHARGES BROUGHT
AGAINST HER AND HER HUSBAND IN
THE COLLEGES ADMISSIONS SCANDAL.
HERE IS TO REACT DOUG BURNS,
FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR.
WOW, THEY ARE TURNING UP THE
PRESSURE AND SHE IS NOT GIVING
IN.
DO YOU THINK THIS IS SMART MOVE?
>> THEY ARE TURNING UP THE
PRESSURE.
MANY OF US IN OUR FIELD FEEL IT
IS A UNFAIR THE GOVERNMENT CAN
RETURN SUPERSEDING INDICTMENTS,
THEY ARE ADDING.
YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT TO INDUCE A
PLEA, BRING THE PERSON DOWN.
IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN LOGICALLY,
MELISSA, A, SHE IS FACTUALLY
INNOCENT OR B, THAT THEY CAN'T
PROVE IT LEGALLY OR C, SHE HAS
HUBRIS, I DON'T WANT TO BE
UNFAIR AND ARROGANT.
IT IS HARD TO HANDICAP THIS.
FROM 34 YEARS DOING THIS EVERY
SINGLE DAY IN FEDERAL COURT, IF
YOU TAKE ON CITY HALL AS THEY
SAY, IT IS AT GREAT RISK, YOU DO
INTEND TO GET PUNISHED IF YOU
LOSE THE TRIAL.
I DON'T PREJUDGE THE CASE.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF COOPERATORS
THAT WILL TESTIFY LIVE.
MELISSA: SOME PEOPLE SAID MAYBE
HER KIDS COULD END UP GOING TO
JAIL.
IS THERE ANY LOGIC IN THAT?
>> PROBABLY NOT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT PECKING ORDER
OF CULL PANT.
YOU HAVE THE MAIN GUY, RICK
SINGER, COACHES WITH THE
UNIVERSITIES, THEN YOU HAVE THE
PARENTS.
BUT I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO
THINK THEY WOULD BRING IN THE
ACTUAL STUDENTS.
MELISSA: DOES IT SEEM INSANE TO
YOU NOW, WHEN OTHERS HAVE BEEN
SENTENCED, IT IS SO FAR ALONG,
THAT SHE WOULD STILL KEEP
HOLDING OUT?
>> WELL, IT IS FUNNY THAT YOU
ASKED ME THAT.
IN MY CAREER I HAVE HAD MANY,
MANY INSTANCES FOR WHATEVER
REASON, IT IS GENERALLY
STATISTICALLY IN THE MINORITY,
MELISSA, PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW,
MAINTAIN INNOCENCE, GO TO TRIAL.
TAKE THE PUNISHMENT.
VERY HARD TO HANDICAP WHAT SHE
IS THINKING.
MELISSA: YEAH.
>> AGAIN I DON'T PREJUDGE IT.
BUT THE OTHER POINT OBVIOUSLY,
IN THIS NEW WORLD WE'RE IN, YOU
ARE SEEING PRISON SENTENCES.
THE REASON I SAY IN THE NEW
WORLD WE'RE IN, GENERALLY 20
YEARS AGO, QUITE HONESTLY A LOT
OF LAWYERS WOULD TELL YOU ON
THIS FACT PATTERN YOU PROBABLY
WOULD HAVE SEEN PROBATIONARY
TERMS.
MELISSA: RIGHT.
>> IT IS ANOTHER WHOLE SEMINAR
WHY THEY'RE GIVING SHORT PRISON
SENTENCES.
REALITY, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT
PUZZLING HONESTLY.
MELISSA: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT
THIS ONE.
NEW YORK CITY MAYOR
BILL DE BLASIO JOINING CHORUS
QUESTIONING DEATH OF JEFFREY
EPSTEIN.
>> SURE.
>> SOMETHING DOESN'T FIT.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT THE
HIGHEST PROFILE PRISONER IN
AMERICA, SOMEONE FORGOT TO GUARD
HIM.
SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND,
EVERYONE WANTS TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.
MELISSA: WHAT WHAT YOU DO I THIK
MELISSA: WHAT WHAT YOU DO I THI?
>> I DON'T AGREE WITH
MAYOR DE BLASIO THAT MUCH BUT I
AGREE WITH HIM HERE AND I'LL
TELL THEM WHY.
I HAVE BEEN IN THE SPECIAL
HOUSING UNIT.
YOU CAN'T SNEEZE WITHOUT PEOPLE
MONITORING IT.
MULTIPLY THAT BY 10, MELISSA,
WHEN YOU HAVE THE MOST
HIGH-PROFILE PRISONER IN THE
ENTIRE BUREAU OF PRISONS.
I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR, WAIT A
MINUTE, WHAT HAPPENED?
WHERE ARE THE SURVEILLANCE
TAPES, OKAY?
WHERE ARE INTERVIEWS OF PEOPLE
INVOLVED, THE GUARDS, THE PEOPLE
THAT WERE IN THE CELL WITH HIM?
NOW AGAIN, I DON'T JUMP RIGHT
INTO A WILD CONSPIRACY THEORY,
START PONTIFICATING YES HE WAS
MURDERED, I DON'T KNOW THAT BUT
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS
ABOUT WHAT TOOK PLACE THERE.
THEN YOU HEARD NO LESS FIGURES
THAN MICHAEL BADEN WHO TO BE
FAIR WAS HIRED BY EPSTEIN'S
BROTHER.
SO YOU HANG THAT FOOTNOTE.
YOU HAVE DR. CYRIL WECHT.
BOTH OF THEM, MELISSA SAY WITH
THE BREAKAGE OF HYOID BONE, I'M
NO DOCTOR, EARTH BONES IN THE
NEXT AREA, SEEMS MORE CONSISTENT
WITH HOMICIDE THAN SUICIDE THAT
HAS TO BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY
OBVIOUSLY.
MELISSA: DO YOU THINK WE'LL EVER
KNOW THE TRUTH?
IF YOU HAVE MAYOR DE BLASIO THIS
LOOKS FISHY, WHO IS IN CHARGE OF
INVESTIGATING THIS?
WILL WE EVER REALLY KNOW?
>> A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE IT
IS HARD TO ANSWER.
THE POINT IS, LOOK, 50 YEARS
FROM NOW, MAYBE, WRITING BOOKS,
20 YEARS FROM NOW.
FOR RIGHT NOW THOUGH HONESTLY
SOMETHING ABOUT THE MCC, WHAT
WENT ON THERE, GUARD SUPPOSEDLY