GORDON CHANG.
IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
THERE'S SO MUCH TO UNPACK.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE AUDIENCE
A SENSE OF SOME OF THE WAYS
THAT THE CHINESE REGIME IS
ENGAGING IN THAT TOTALITARIAN
SURVEILLANCE AND DIRECTION OF
ITS CITIZENS.
>> BY NEXT YEAR, THEY PLAN TO
HAVE A NATIONWIDE SOCIAL
CREDIT SYSTEM IN PLACE.
THIS WILL GIVE EVERY CHINESE
CITIZEN A CONSTANTLY UPDATED
SCORE BASED UPON OBSERVABLE
BEHAVIOR.
JAYWALKING OR SOCIAL MEDIA
POST ABOUT THE CHINESE RULER,
ALL OF THESE WILL CHANGE
SCORES.
PEOPLE WITH LOW SCORES WILL
NOT BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR KIDS
IN PRIVATE SCHOOL, BUY A HOME,
GET ON A PLANE OR TRAIN, THEY
ARE MEANT TO BE ABLE TO JUST
RESTRICT PEOPLE TO THEIR HOMES
WHICH IS WHAT THEY ARE
THINKING ABOUT.
WHEN YOU PUT TOGETHER THE
CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN TIBET,
THIS REALLY IS A SOCIAL
CONTROL, TOTALITARIAN STATE.
>> LET'S JUST LOOK AT ONE BIT
OF THAT.
YOU MENTIONED JAYWALKING.
LET'S UNPACK THAT.
HOW DO THEY KNOW.
HOW CAN THEY USE THAT TO
AFFECT YOUR SOCIAL CREDIT
SCORE.
THEY'RE PUTTING SURVEILLANCE
CAMERAS IN PLACE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOTALLY
OBSERVE SOCIETY AND IT FEEDS
INTO THE SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM
ALONG WITH ALL SORTS OF OTHER
INFORMATION AND DATA.
TECHNOLOGY IS ENABLING THE
CHINESE REGIME TO GO FOR TOTAL
CONTROL.
WE TALK ABOUT THEM AS
AUTHORITARIAN IN THEIR MOVING
BACK TO TOTALITARIAN WHICH IS
SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN
SINCE THE 1950s.
>> WHAT COMPARISON ARE YOU
DRAWING WITH THE 1950s?
THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.
THIS IS A MOST GOING BACK.
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IT SEEMS HARD TO CONSERVE
CONCEIVE OF BECAUSE IT'S SO
MUCH OF A MODERN WORLD.
THERE ABLE TO USE THEIR
TECHNOLOGY AND USING
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
THEY'RE USING AI TO TRY TO
PREDICT WHICH PEOPLE WILL
COMMIT CRIMES.
THIS IS A MINORITY REPORT BUT
IN REALITY.
>> THE SURVEILLANCE IS AMAZING
BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE
CENTERPIECES IN 1984 WHEN THEY
HAVE CAMERAS IN YOUR HOME AND
THEY MONITOR WHAT YOU DO AND
REPORT ON ANY TRANSGRESSION
BEHAVIOR.
THIS IS REAL IN CHINA.
>> IT IS.
IN THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF
CHINA WHICH THE MUSLIM LEADERS
SAY IS EAST TURKESTAN THEY'RE
NOW PUTTING CHINESE OFFICIALS
INTO PEOPLE'S HOMES TO MONITOR
THEM.
THIS IS 24-7.
THIS IS NOT JUST THE CAMERA IN
YOUR HOME BUT THEY HAVE THE
CONCENTRATION CAMPS WHERE YOU
HAVE AT LEAST 1.1 MILLION
CHINESE.
THIS IS JUST TERRIFIC.
THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THIS
REGIME BEHAVING LIKE THIS AND
EXTENDING ITS CONTROL AND VERY
CLEARLY WANTING TO EXPORT THIS
AROUND THE WORLD AND WANTING
TO BECOME A DOMINANT
SUPERPOWER IS SOMETHING THAT
SHOULD FRIGHTEN US ALL, DON'T
YOU THINK.
>> CERTAINLY.
THEY'VE GOT THIS, THEY ARE
BUILDING THIS IN THE
SOUTHWEST, YOU WILL PROBABLY
SEE THEM THROUGH THE REST OF
THE COUNTRY AS WELL AND THEY
ACTUALLY SCORE IN FOREIGN
COMPANIES.
THIS IS AN IMPRESSION TO
ACTUALLY DOMINATE THE WORLD
WITH THEIR SURVEILLANCE, AND
OF COURSE THEY ARE SURVEILLING
US IN OUR OWN COUNTRY SO WE
HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY CONCERNED
ABOUT CHINA'S REACH BEYOND ITS
OWN BORDERS.
>> JUST QUICKLY ON THAT POINT,
GIVE US SOME OF THE WAYS
THAT'S HAPPENING, HOW ARE THEY
SURVEILLING US HERE.
>> STATES CURIA OFFICIALS HAVE
BEEN OPERATING IN THE UNITED
STATES, ESPECIALLY ON COLLEGE
CAMPUSES WHERE THERE ARE LARGE
NUMBERS OF CHINESE STUDENTS.
WE KNOW THE CHINESE DIPLOMATS
AND THEIR AGENTS MONITOR AND
SURVEILLED STUDENTS AND TELL
THEM WHAT TO THINK OF WHAT TO
DO, AND WE'VE ALLOWED THAT SO
THIS IS ON US.
THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS CHINA
ACTUALLY PEAKS INTO THE U.S.
THROUGH ITS NETWORK OF SPIES,