let's start with chad pergram live with
our top story
chat good morning harris well the vote
yesterday that you talked about in the
senate that was really the first metric
to gauge where senators are
on this second impeachment trial of
president trump rand paul
he basically challenged if the trial was
constitutional he said you don't have
chief justice john roberts presiding
over this trial he says president trump
is no longer in office
and he says that there could be
consequences
hyper-partisan democrats are about to
drag our great country
down into the gutter of rancor and
vitriol
the likes of which has never been seen
in our nation's history
senate majority leader chuck schumer
moved to table or kill paul's point of
order
that the trial was unconstitutional so
the vote was actually one step
away from getting senators on the record
if they agreed with paul
the theory that the impeachment of a
former official is unconstitutional
is flat out wrong by every frame of
analysis
constitutional context historical
practice
precedent and basic common sense
the vote to kill paul's point of order
was 55 to 44.
for 55-45 that's notable as only five
republicans
went along with democrats now as we
always say harris it's about the math on
capitol hill you need two-thirds
of all senators to vote to convict
former president trump this was not a
vote to convict
but it is an early yardstick it's a long
way from 67
but they may be closer to two-thirds
this time around
than they were in the trial last year
and something else that's notable here
tim kaine the democratic senator from
virginia indicates because they might
not be anywhere in the ballpark getting
close to two-thirds
he is considering prepping a censure
resolution
for the former president he says there
may be more interest in that
harris yeah you know that's something i
want to get into with my first guest
because there are
other things that can be done that won't
so further divide the country and take
up so much time every day
by one o'clock for six days in a row
unless they choose to change that
chad pergram thank you very much i want
to bring in now karl rove
former deputy white house chief of staff
and fox news contributor hello and great
to have you on the program
thank you harris great to be here let's
let's
start with what else could be done
besides impeachment and why it might be
a good idea to look at some of those
things
well it's a good idea to look at those
things if people object to the
president's conduct because they're not
going to impeach him i think chad is
absolutely right 67 votes
are required let's assume all 50
democrats vote for it that means you
need to have 17 republicans
vote to impeach the president five
yesterday indicated a willingness to
do so by saying we're willing to proceed
with the impeachment
45 said this is unconstitutional so
you're going to have to have 12
of the 45 who said it's unconstitutional
say
it may be unconstitutional but i'm going
to go ahead and vote to and
to convict the president of the charges
raised by the house and what we
have already voted for as an
unconstitutional hearing so
that ain't going to happen but accenture
resolution may happen
and we've had it done before to
presidents
uh and uh president jackson had such a a
censure motion passed against him
uh but uh uh there there would clearly
be as soon as the majority is
required well a simple majority is
required for that and it would simply be
you know on the historical record that
the president was censored so he
his record would be his copy book would
be blotted as they say
uh forever until someone gets together
the votes to remove that censure which
is what actually happened with president
jackson as well
interesting it couldn't stop him from
running again though
no it couldn't and look that at this
point that's the only thing
that that uh in a concrete fashion that
impeachment will do is it will block the
president from running
in 2024. so think about this for the
average american's not paying a lot of
attention to this
but they they'll pick up that the house
did this in a hurry
that there was no due process that
there's issues about whether it's
constitutional
they'll say really is it good for our
country to do this now that he's out of
office
and oh the only reason you're really
doing this is in order to keep him from
running in 2024
when we the voters get to make our
opinion known about whether or not we
want him
as our president at that time so i just
think the average american is going to
look at this and say
once again washington is wasting its
time while we're trying to get our
economy back on the feet
and defeat the coronavirus well you you
you you guys and gals are simply
uh engaged in a political food fight
whatever the merits are
of the judging the president's conduct
on january
6 this is not going to work when you
talk about political food fight
congresswoman maxine waters said this
about impeachment
we cannot afford to allow this president
uh to leave here without being impeached
and you know absolutely convicted he now
knows
he has a population he's going to expand
that
he will be attempting to take over
legislatures little towns
and cities and he doesn't give a dawn
about the constitution
and so our democracy is at stake we must
convict him
and we must take away his power
congresswoman not a senator the house
already impeached him
carl well she's one of my favorites you
know how right now there's an effort by
democrats to sanction
senators cruz and holly for attempting
to not certify
the results of the 2020 presidential
election in the senate
they want him ousted from the united
states senate in 2001 and 2005 maxine
waters
wanted to it was lead helping lead the
effort to not
certify the results of the two elections
that put george w bush in the white
house
and what do they do they got her as
their spokesperson on impeachment in
front of the country in fact
one of her co-leaders in the 2001 john
conyers of michigan was rewarded by
being made the chairman of the house
judiciary committee so
look she is a you know she if i don't
care if if if jesus came
and was elected as a republican
president she would find fault with him
and call for their impeachment or not
for their certification of the election
she's a backbencher for a reason and
it's that she keeps saying crazy stuff
like this
wow karl rove great to get things kicked
off with you
this hour thank you for being with me
thank you harris you bet