Hey Youtubers, it's Charlie, happy Thanksgiving, Kevin Feige was recently talking about the
state of comic book filmmaking Marvel versus DC, so I wanted to make a video about that
but Marvel and DC characters literally fought each other in the Amalgam universe, so I'll
explain that to, so here we go
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I thought she was with you?
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Hey everyone.
So let's start with the fun stuff first, open pitch battle between Marvel and DC characters in the Amalgam universe if you
never heard of it.
It was a limited series in the mid-90s where DC and Marvel wrote a story that was like
out of the main continuity where the characters from the different companies learned of each
other's existence and then fought this battle the losers universe would die off.
So like if the Marvel characters one Mortal Kombat style DC's universe would be killed
off but it was out of continuity.
So is just a fun way to say this isn't really happening in spoiler warning for the end of
that story.
I'll just wait a second or because while escape for in the video like 30 seconds.
So what ends up happening is is it becomes this situation whereby they combine the two
universes despite Marvel characters having won the battle but there's like a big twist
whereby they allow the two universes to be fused it becomes the Amalgam universe with
you know both Marvel and DC characters in it, but the actual battles that they thought
were Aquaman versus name or, Elektra versus Catwoman flash versus Quicksilver Robin versus
Jubilee silver surfer versus Green Lantern Thor versus Captain Marvel Superman versus
the hold Spider-Man versus Superboy Batman versus Captain America Wolverine versus Lobo
in store versus wonder woman.
So like when you see Superman holding Thor's hammer and Captain America's shield going
on and on about how amazing it feels.
That's from the a Amalgam comics but as for whether they would ever do that in the movies
I don't think there's ever a chance for that.
Maybe they might make an animated movie, but that seems like a long shot, there's always
lots of jokes and references that Marvel makes the DC characters and its titles DC does the
same thing with Marvel characters I think is just gonna stay at that level for the time
being, but I told think it's possible they could revisit this idea in some like alternate
form a media even if they can't do it in the live-action films but the ongoing debate Marvel
versus DC has largely just been a comic book thing you know thanks to the efforts of Stanley
and the people at DC in the past 40 to 50 years.
So as was the case then you know typically the people of the top like Stanley like Kevin
Feige nowadays which as you know most of my reason for making this video were really cool
with the competition, despite it being very friendly like a football match.
You want your team to win, but that doesn't mean that you hate the other team.
So maybe this is a surprise to you.
Maybe it's not a surprise but Kevin Feige said that he is a fan of all superhero films
like all studios who are adapting from what he says the comic book medium so that includes
like Fox that includes the Sony people but obviously they board he made the arrangement
for Spider-Man, but you know Kevin Feige just seems like a really cool dude who really loves
comic books and really loves to make movies so there isn't like an ounce of hate inside
his heart for any of his suppose it competitors certainly each comic book studio has its own
criticisms Marvel and DC are just like the two big ones, just because the IP that they
control no fox X-Men universe is still really big to but comparatively there's fewer movies
that they could make, but even though they share some of the same issues as DC's films.
Criticisms are actually very very different like when you look back at the old Marvel
films a lot of them almost look like TV shows, just because the way they film them, they've
largely try to change that.
But they had phase 1 phase 2 phase 3 they had a lot of movies to kind of tweak the way
they make their films look so because DC chose to start its film universe the DCEU with Zack
Snyder and probably his biggest skill is his visual style like the DC movies that we've
seen so far look amazing, but the problem is is there's like a billion different things
that make a really good film.
So even if it looks amazing that doesn't necessarily guarantee that it's going to be an amazing
experience and really I think that's the most important thing is like what you feel like
when the movies over and I think in each case like Marvel even like the X-Men films and
DC films are all really fun to watch.
But the problem is is that there are certain films in each of their libraries the just
like art really fun to rewatch again and again, so really the mark of a really good comic
book film is something that you can rewatch like a billion times that when I was a little
kid I was able to rewatch the Star Wars films over and over because they were pretty good
films with a pretty good story and they visually looked really interesting at least for the
time.
I mean obviously film has evolved a lot since the original Star Wars movies have been made
2016 in particular is been a really hard year for comic book films just because of what's
going on in the world what's happening in the United States.
So get people just get angrier and angrier.
So you look to films like these to make you feel better about existence and light so when
you see a film with a really dark tone that doesn't necessarily help us with a the greatest
crimes against comic book films this year were mostly crimes of tone not so much of
story because there are always story problems and comic book films Captain America Civil
War very fun film to watch with a very hopeful twist at the end but it also has all kinds
a story problems along the way so you look at a film like Deadpool, the kind of terms
that on its head, which is why think it did so well because it had just the right tone
for the right story for the right character at the right time and I think the answer to
that like the tone problem of this year and you know where Deadpool got right in 2016.
Spider-Man Homecoming will get it right in 2017 along with Justice league, we can talk
about what happened to Superman at the end a Batman v Superman, and I think most of us
have a pretty good idea of what can happen with his arc during Justice league, but you
maybe some people haven't read the comics.
They don't know the death of Superman arc let's just say there's gonna be some really
exciting stuff happening in Justice league and don't forget, there is a Star Wars movie
happening at the end of the year.
There's a very small Star Wars episode eight movie.
Very quiet in the production, so a lot of the pessimism that you see in the fandom now
will largely be gone by the time that gets here, just because of the things that are
coming in 2017 in the fact that the studios have seen like the way people reacted to all
the movies that come out this year is that okay work and listened we understand you really
liked these characters but you're not super happy with the way they treated them in these
movies so Marvel versus DC at the box office Marvel crush that this year DC crusted this
year to despite what people thought about each of their films like they were people
that hated the Marvel films this year it will people that hated the DC films this year but
they still make billions of dollars all around.
That is because one they have really good marketing machines so regardless of the quality
of films that will always be people that will show up for Ben Affleck Henry Cavill Robert
Downey Jr, but the reason why you see all kinds of movies make crazy money even if they're
not the greatest films ever is because people love those characters so will show up for
their movies, which is that they'll be a lot of complaining after the fact like I can't
believe that movie was so terrible but they'll still go see the next movie with that character
even if the previous movie wasn't that great.
So the city is pick up on that the like okay people of Batman people love Captain America.
We understand you're not super satisfied with the last movie we made will do better next
time so they go back to the kitchen they bring the meal out they try to make it better.
This actually played out pretty early on with Marvel's films.
If you member the Incredible Hulk not the greatest film ever.
But I think it's been long enough that people largely give Marvel a pass just because there
been so many Marvel films since then they've had enough time to hit their stride they found
the right actors like they started to land some really big a list talent like Cate Blanchett
is in a Thor movie that just seems ridiculous and exciting, but ridiculous that she would
sign on after seeing the first to Thor movies, but DC has only just started like it took
him a long time to make Batman v Superman, so that you know the problem with making films
is that it will take you a couple years.
So you're making this huge bed so you don't get feedback till the movie drops they got
their feedback.
Now they can go back make a better film bring it back it just that Marvel has been through
that grinder.
So many more times than DC has so far the DC will get there.
Geoff John's is the new Kevin Feige there's a comic book guy up at the top of his neck,
let them drag the characters through the mud, though it is gonna take a little while to
make these movies so you know that's why I think a lot of people were disappointed this
year because it's like hey you know we want a better movie in the like okay will make
a better movie but it just takes a couple years to get there.
Mark my words and like the next five years what you're gonna see is Josie like the slate
of Geoff John's pioneer DC films in the be a much more equal consensus from Marvel quality
and DC quality.
So I think of the Marvel films that people will be really satisfied with in the next
couple years will be Spider-Man Homecoming Thor Ragnarok Black Panther in both infinity
war films on the DC site I think those films of people will be most happy about.
After leaving the movie theater will be Justice league the flash Aqua man you can't decant
not like Jason Momoa is like one of the best actors that they've ever landed in the man
of steel SQL Superman films more than anything that your DC's opportunity to make heartwarming
films that are really exciting, you could rewatch a billion times and you guys can let
me know in the comments like which Marvel and which DC films.
Do you think will be the most re-watched in the next five years there will be like the
flash film will be the Justice league film infinity war there like certain films there
just so much more fun to watch from Marvel and DC and have already re-watched most of
the Marvel films so many times that it started to be like a song that you can't get out of
your head.
So attend appreciate the smaller ones like ant Man Doctor strange things that do really
weird different things which is why am super excited about Thor Ragnarok, so it's a little
bit easier to rewatch stuff you haven't already seen a billion times which is why Kevin Feige
said that they're trying to do so many different things and phase 3 and phase 4 that they've
never done before, which is the same for the other studios.
So like Kevin Feige said he's really excited about the films his competitors are making
he's really excited about DC films.
I think it's the same thing from Geoff John's and the DC people know most of the comic book
guys that you run into are actually really cool dudes there are like a few Mr. Burns
type people up at the top it all the studios, but largely like they're getting pushed out
the door.
So like Kevin Feige was able to take Marvel studios off on their own so that.
Not to worry too much about that the DC people may Geoff John's one of the new gods of their
film universe the just so much exciting stuff happening it's gonna be dropping next year
literally next year like you not have to wait that long, and another is a lot of rumors
about trailers for like Justice League Spider-Man dropping in the next couple weeks, but be
sure to subscribe to get everything I will be doing a Spider-Man Homecoming Carnage video
later tonight so that will post in a couple hours but if there are any comic book bonus
videos that you guys want me to do or movie bonus videos this weekend.
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