hey guys jay here welcome to eons of battle
kill team knackman is out and i want to talk about
it i think it has some great things going for it and a few negatives too
i love kill team 21 it's my favorite game right now and i really like how
much support it's getting from games workshop it dropped with rules for all the factions
we got white dwarf alternative teams now and we're getting quarterly doubles boxes
it all started with octeris with the orcs in krieg then chow nap with sisters in tao and now
with chaos space marines and eldar corsairs and these boxes are great although not essential in
my opinion the best way to get into kill team is to go over to warhammerpedia look through all the
rules and pick a box or two of your favorite models what these double boxes are good for is
roping in friends tabletop wargaming is a social hobby and these boxes are meant for going halfsies
splitting the contents of the box down the middle and that is exactly what i did i'm
keeping the eldar corsairs and nick is getting the chaos-based marines what i love about knackman
is the eldar corsairs and the continuation of this trend of getting a one reimagining and one
brand new thing we saw it in chao math with the sisters in tao and now we're seeing it nachman
and so i hope in the next box which i'm sure will be called frederick or something similar we're
going to get another team that already exists but upgraded and updated and then we're gonna
get one brand new thing i really hope this trend continues because that means that we're gonna get
four kind of weird and wacky things a year brought to us by kill team i'm very excited for the eldar
course hairs in fact i actually have an alternate model this is the eldar vizark and i'm going to
be using him as my captain or my lieutenant the guy in charge of all of my other eldar corsairs
and i don't really like the eldar and so i think it's a testament to how good this how
good of a job they did with it and where they've roped me in because it's the best of both worlds
between the dark aldar and the eldar you get the coolest parts of the armor the coolest weapons all
shoved into the same kill team and even though i don't have really any interest in the eldar i'm
pumped i am pumped to get some eldar going and i think that's the great thing about kill team
is in a 40k there's only like 20 some factions but in kill team it looks like there's going to be
every faction for 40k including crew for some reason and then we're gonna every now and then
get a brand new faction now none of these things are completely new they all exist in the lore
but it's gonna be cool to see them brought to the table top with kill team and i can't wait
to have my corsairs all painted up once again it's a close combat kill team and i really really enjoy
close combat although it looks like they're going to have some pretty sick shooting options as well
i can't wait to get this guy painted up with that lovely lovely sword and have this guy
leading the charge the chaos side of the box is actually pretty epic it's the first time we're
seeing games workshop tackle an elite force kill team seems to work really really well when you
have about 10 guys in the battlefield fighting each other because objectives are so important
and the secondary objectives a lot of them really really focus on getting bodies to the right places
holding onto objectives grabbing objectives doing different mission actions
and you don't have a lot of bodies on the field it can be a little bit tricky
really elite teams like custodies chaos space marines regular space marines primary
space marines they have a hard time doing the things they need to do on the tabletop and so
i'm really looking forward to seeing how the new this new cast based marine kill team does on the
battlefield with brand spanking new rules i bet i bet they're pretty good i bet they can do the
work and i can't wait to see the rest of the elite teams get updated but enough about the
positives i want to talk about the negatives of this box and that would be the terrain
the problem with this terrain is it's good to rain but it's 40k terrain this terrain is the sector
mechanical strain that gamesworkshop has been selling for quite a while and it's been repackaged
in this box and i think it's not the best choice it works really well for 40k but i don't see this
working great for kale team it has a couple of pieces that work really really well like the
thermal pipes and the plasma generators i think those are wonderful pieces of terrain we actually
have a set of the plasma generators and we use them in pretty much every game of kill team they
make a really really good vantage point but some of the other pieces have me a little bit worried
i think one of the biggest draws for this box is actually the crane but the crane in my opinion is
not an amazing piece of kill team terrain i think it'll add some nice flavor to your board a nice
tall crane just sitting right in the middle it won't provide much cover you could probably hide
one or two operatives behind it but sometimes big train like this can kind of get in the way kill
team you really gotta kind of snake your arms in there and move your guy around and sometimes
larger terrain pieces can definitely get in the way i don't think this train is nearly as obtuse
as the chao math terrain which used some of the classic games workshop destroyed gothic ruins
which is still once again good terrain games workshop makes very good terrain at a very steep
price but i'm a part of tons and tons of facebook groups and discords and stuff about kill team
and i've seen a lot of people assemble a channel nap terrain i haven't seen a lot
of people paint it and play with it because i think it's just not designed for kill team
the octarus terrain absolutely was designed for kill team and it works so well you've
got lots of small short pieces of terrain that make really really good cover and light cover
and traversable cover and then you've just got a couple of pieces for vantage points and i don't
know if the nachman terrain is really well suited for that but i do think it can be i've seen some
people do some interesting stuff with this type of terrain online because it is fairly modular
particularly this piece this is a kind of a bunker with a landing pad on top but i've seen people
actually assemble this as two halves and then lay the two halves flat and then put
the the walkways on top of the flat side and i think i'm gonna be trying to do something similar
to kind of get the terrain a little bit shorter because not every piece of terrain and kill team
needs to be a vantage point in fact i think most of it shouldn't vantage points should be
a little bit rare and sporadic and asymmetrical in my opinion to have the best results because
it can be pretty brutal when you know you've got you're up against a team that's all in cover and
concealed and so they think that they're safe but then you just hop top up on some vantage points
and all of a sudden it all becomes open season i definitely think this i like this terrain more
than the channel nap terrain but i do think it is going to require a little bit of work to get
the best out of it and i hope what i hope happens because games are trapped is kind of used up the
terrain that they have the terrain sets that they have available for 40k i hope that while they've
been recycling some of the train that they already have in their web store i hope that they've been
working on some dedicated kill team terrain and speaking of dedicated kill team terrain
i want to show off this piece this is a perfect example of what i think kill team terrain should
be this is an eons of battle terrain available at our patreon and what's great about this is
it is it is light and traversable but it is also a line of sight blocking because it's short and
so if the two space marine operatives are here they can't see each other and so they can't draw
a line of sight and they can't fire each other but they could both have engage orders you don't
have to use conceal and be hiding you can be engaged but still be outside of line of sight
and if this space marine decides to move up here all of a sudden you can draw a line of sight i
think that this is a super super simple piece of terrain and it doesn't really take advantage of
the terrain rules in kill team like a lot of games workshops pieces do but i actually think it works
better just to use the basic line of sight rules to make terrain that is interesting and usable
as opposed to having to make every single piece of terrain either have its own unique rules like some
of the octures terrain or have everything be of vantage points because this isn't a vantage point
it but it does give you some really really good options while you're playing the game he can go up
here and shoot down he can move over the terrain piece you can kind of run up to the terrain piece
and hide behind it it's just this piece this little thing this little l-shaped barricade
offers so much potential in the game of kill team where something like a three-inch tall bunker
is just kind of it's more of a blunt instrument where something like this available at ann's
battle patreon is just a little bit more perfect it's a little bit more like specific to the game
of kill team and so i'm hoping that whatever games workshops got cooking because i bet they do
especially since they're basically out of terrain i bet they have something in the works
specifically for kill team the octarus terrain was great and so i hope we get a little bit more
terrain like that i think also gamesworth trap just needs to offer more scatter terrain and
incidental terrain in general because a lot of their pieces are like this is the servo hauler
fortress it's here it is it's a big lump of plastic for 60 dollars whereas i would love
to see some more kind of simpler pieces maybe just some barrels and boxes a couple of smaller
plants because those are the things not only are they super effective in kilting because kill team
is a lot more every model is an individual and so it's much more important how they interact
with the train but in big games of 40k it just looks better you know instead of having six large
pieces of terrain keep the six large pieces of terrain but then you need a whole you know 20 30
pieces of incidental terrain to really liven up the board and make it come to life and that is
what i hope that they're doing also speaking of nachman there was a little bit of a controversy
this crane kit is technically not complete when this was released individually it came with
one more sprue that came with a little taller vehicle but it also came with the two antenna
that go onto the back of this crane and they did not include it in this box now i don't think it's
that big a deal two little antennas i don't think make or breaks it i would much rather i would much
rather have the crane than the sprue that has the two antennae and this box is so completely
full to the brim of plastic they definitely could not have included one more sprue but
it's just kind of an interesting thing to know it kind of proves what an afterthought this terrain
was that they're like oh god what do we have the box is coming out next weekend what do we do well
we grab the we have the sprues that we already sell in the store and we just throw it in a box
but it was just fun it was just fun to see a little bit of the controversy because
when the when this box was announced a lot of people were super super hyped about the crane
because it is a really cool terrain piece and then it was really really fun to watch that hype turn
into controversy as people were like it's missing the two antennas what are we ever gonna do just
cut the top off of a paper clip like what you know what are we possibly gonna do and i know a
bunch of people have just sent emails to games workshop and i'm sure they're getting ignored
because it's it's just an antenna and it was never meant to be included although it was included in
the the material surrounding the game the the advertising material surrounding the game because
they just used the studio crane to take the photos and the studio crane has the two antennae
so if games earthshop was really on their a game they would have snapped the antennas right off of
their studio model before taking the pictures but whatever it's a little antenna it's still a really
cool crane and i have two now so i'm gonna be able to have dueling cranes on my mund team board so
overall even though i'm not super impressed with the train i'm still glad i have it and i'm still
going to put it together and enjoy it i'm super duper excited about the actual kill teams in the
game the rules for them look really really fun and really solid and i can't wait to get more games
of kill team in and if any of you fine folks who are looking to pick up nahmund you can get it from
valhalla hobby which is where i got my box it's a wonderful game store in verona wisconsin and they
do online sales you can check them out linked in the description below and if you want to support
us and check out some of the super cool terrain you can do so over on our patreon we have lots and
lots of really cool terrain sales perfect for kill team and for 40k we also have one extra episode of
eob a week live hobby hangouts voting on models i paint live here on youtube and more and if you're
not into that we also have merch link in the description below but i'm super excited to get
to work on all of this wonderful new plastic i have some elves to paint thanks for watching