K: We can give different explanations
why human beings don’t change.
Ten different explanations. What? They are just explanations.
Q: It’s not so much why they don’t change.
Why are we not aware of the destructive tension in our brain?
K: When one puts the question ‘why’, then you’re looking for a cause.
Right?
The discovery of the cause may take time.
You will say one thing, he’ll say another, I’ll say something else,
so we’ll all be fighting over the cause.
Q: Twice in our conversation, we’ve come to a question,
can there be an instantaneous ending, a cutting of something?
A timeless… We keep wondering off.
I don’t know if we know how to even approach a question like that.
K: Don’t approach it. Q: Well, you ask it
and what does one do with it? K: Just look.
You tell me that – what? – attachment is dangerous, corrupts.
You tell me that.
I see your logic, I accept your logic,
I see what you’re saying is true,
but I’m attached at the end of that.
Q: It’s not sufficient. K: I am still attached.
Q: I think you need some sort of deep crisis to have that…
K: Then I’ll wait for time.
I don’t want time to dissolve my problem.
Time won’t dissolve my problem.
Q: But this crisis is perhaps not induced by time.
It could be induced by some shock – suddenly you understand the thing.
K: All right, why doesn’t it take place now?
Q: It could take place now.
Perhaps I’m not sensitive enough. K: Then what? You follow?
Q: But doesn’t that come back to the question, if I may put it?
Doesn’t that come back to what it means to actually be attentive?
I don’t know whether I’m jumping.
K: I’m not seeking a cause. I wonder if you understand that.
Q: Would you say the notion of process is itself disorder?
K: You tell me attachment is corruption.
You explain to me very logically, the whole explanation.
I listen to it.
I don’t ask, ‘Why don’t I change?’
My first question – I won’t ask that.
I’m still attached. I don’t ask, ‘Why don’t I let go?’
If I ask why, I am seeking a cause.
Therefore, what has a cause has an end.
Right?
So, I won’t look at the cause.
You will tell me that the cause is that and that and that.
I won’t do any of that.
I know I am attached. I have listened to you,
listened to you logic, your clarity,
I say, ‘Yes, that is perfectly true.’
But at the end of it, I am still holding on.
Just listen. I am still holding on.
That’s all I know.
Please listen. That’s all I know.
I’m not interested in ending it,
I’m just holding on to that. I see I’m holding on.
I won’t ask why I am holding on, but it is just I am that.
I think it is disastrous to ask what is the cause
– for myself, I’m not telling you to accept this.
The universe has no cause.
We have causes.
If I can not think in terms of cause, time.
Then I am attached.
That very reality of ‘I am attached’ operates.
I don’t have to do a thing.