let's not about jose rodriguez he was apparently the man in charge of the
c_i_a_ program
uh... that uh...
used portrait
and he calls it of course enhanced interrogation techniques
but it is most definitely torture he went on sixty minutes
to talk about his new book hard measures i've seen many bragging throughout a got
a minha you know is
camaro driving on the street on about how he had to tell the guys
high-resolution friends down here
what's amazing is he just admits all these war crimes on national tv
cassie realize in the u_s_ down
there's no consequences
into that war crimes all day long
so unless uh...
with uh... approx are of the reporting here with that that was the stall
as request
we had enemy come into
our homeland
and killed three thousand people
pappas huge
people jumping
from the power standard death
people running away from the crowd was dust terrified of them fine
dismisses
had to throw everything act
yet to a choice a notion sure like it was a threat
also of course by the way it was a threat
before nine eleven
which unfortunately the bush administration did you too much about
but actually campbell does a rotary is responsible for that at all
as it turns out the was in encounters
after nine eleven
volunteered to go uh... into the counter-terrorism department somehow he
was a binge art
now why is it wide open charge when he's got no experience
this he's the guy who can repeating the portrait
his oh my god we were talking with three thousand people were killed
that's horrible right
but you know what we were attacked on world war two pearl harbor
and overall thirty million people were killed by the nazis
alone without any talk of the soldiers but civilians
but we didn't quarter the nazis
'cause we were better than that
but allie jose rodriguez and all this bodies there in the government or not
better than that
the minute they were attacked
they thought well i'm gonna go to torture zone
i don't know how to do any other way i'm not smart enough to figure it out
by the way when they were
interrogating up was divided one of the top
people that we capture
well f_b_i_ first got too old and i got a lot of information from m before this
kitty and jose rodriguez comes in this part of all of us lazy akash
so start really and gotten up in front of
if you were on the program and that the i was doing what we're getting good
information when i was a vibe
but this guy wasn't picked
despite the fact that he's stupid
he respect because he's stupid and what it push for torture wednesday cheney
wanted obviously
so he continues
if there was going to be another
against the u_s_
we would have block grants because we would not have been able to extract that
information from him
so we started to talk about an alternative said
of interrogation
procedures
we needed to get everybody in government to put their big boy hands off
and provide the authorities that we did
all because if you do torture you're a big board
a you don't get any of the information you need you're a real big boy get your
big board and suck
but if you like at the end at six tracking information from one of the
most important as the week lot
well you don't have your big board bedside osb auto auto where do you know
are you going to torture anybody
conduct would look at the mentality here
his pills back a current resume thing like
c_i_a_ you've seen the movie is that all my time here
hanging off of buildings he is a good time cruzan mission impossible rosa what
do you think anticommunist comes and you sort of a different image in his ipod
ipod mpeg board anson o let's go get the guys you gtm any idea whether that's a
fact that were not
by the way you know where they got
the different
methods that they use
rodriquez admits today kata from
uh... or enemies during the cold war
which we already know detainees admitted it
it was a chinese torture
documents is how you talk to remove we can't do that before from the chinese
and we use it to make sure our guys didn't get torture rodriguez pulls those
guys in this is ok now reverse it
and let me do the same time
toward to the chinese promises to do
might not even not now back in a bad old days
this guy isn't
national embarrassment
now look at some of the taxes that they use
was he make it
uh... in many cases nobody was uh... was used to expensive and it worked well
wires nudity in active it is effective because a lot of people feel very
vulnerable when they're new
and also because of the culture
are nudity it is not something
that is common
see there's another one of those in the case is the guys that that bright
whose leg it all in their culture they're not new dolphin yelling our
culture were also not be lost
more on the desire on those he doesn't know anything about muslims so he's at
all muslims they don't like you really don't like sides are up almost unrelated
isn't based on size the based on any kind of intelligence gathering take
these reviews before
always like a ride but the bad boy but it's not that i take it made more pants
off haha
it drive you watch this kind of pill by the trend you go on tape
the guys running this program or solve fundamentally
unintelligent and unqualified
okay now here's other tactics they
wasn't waterboarding broke the damn with i wasn't there
i think he was more taken aback
insults lap
uh... what's the insults
just slapping somebody with an open hand so that you don't
by her do you mean you didn't bring it on british jock
we'll break is drawing indian
objective he's not too
to conflict
that's not detected objective is to let him know
uh... that
he there's a new share of in town
and that uh... he better pay attention
this guy watch tombstone
and then he went and use it as if it was uh... really
bilateral branislav morrison family although he she has added our
the network now we can work and all of you get any information they
waterboarding collegiate want a hundred in eighty three times
they didn't let him sleep for a hundred many straight hours
seven-and-a-half days of those sleep
a human being almost cannot stand that i think it's
that's the kind of torture and they used to do back in apartheid south africa
any and the guys the any k_g_b_
and there's a report from both says he will that guy that kind of
enhanced interrogation from the apartheid government
and k_g_b_ saying it was the worst torture we got
it was worse than not eating not sleeping deadbeat et cetera was a sleep
deprivation now so they do all that need doesn't work anyway miss connie has no
reason to dallas reid slapping them
well no
and lesley stahl system he wait a minute
your own inspector general at the c_i_a_ their report on this and concluded
that none of these tactics work
so what's your reaction that
bears' rack
here's something
that was told to me
hubble's a beta story sent the c_i_a_
around the globe
not a single plot was foiled
we spent millions chasing phantoms
there was a rollback
that allowed us to capture
a bunch of a cut-out senior uh...
box office
for so i love his reaction to our terms katyusha printout reports
usually reports goes
but when it was your faxes like
uh... well it didn't lead to the capture of this leaders
it led to a role model
before that happened that lend it to the possible capture of some of those
alligator guys or you gotta come better than that
i want to get out here with the roadmap you know emigration maman he resisted
resisted resisted
out of the torture was over a monster out there that people and you never
mentioned when they went back
proven interrogation tactics
you know what you said you were the nazis to break them
they would have d
eat dinner with them
and he played ping pong within that sounds like that's not something or zero
trays with a disease that show how tough he is or cut edges god right
but then afterwards announces we feel like all these are my friends and they'd
give the information we needed
which would help us to feed on sea german
see that's that's why it's proven custody suit results that you need is
not just about revenge is not just
about trying to wrap up your ideas on our meeting the
okay and so with that's exactly what we did later with khalid sheik mohammed we
got the information this guy's approving the loser
brian dot how did the snake continues
so sleep deprivation
dietary manipulation
and ministers or welling and stuff
the united states is into it
periods
on national t_v_ say aria malawi torture people now
wouldn't you know we put diapers on only don't let him sleep we do the stress
positions
uh... we throw them against the wall we saw a slap them
you know that we've solved them we do the waterboarding
except that we don't know how we don't work america is a torturing country
that's what he's saying italy's bragging about our national does
you know
that we have hung people for waterboarding the past
one week after the japanese and water were some of our soldiers
we hung up
so the word sent into
uh... labor camps but some of them were actually executed
for the crime of waterboarding
and here's a sky coming from of course that we want to board up
and we're gonna continue to do it
uh... if we get up another chance
now vic
began talking about that swatch
trophy is about
khalid sheik mohammed
to really didn't break up
plays well you didn't tell you about of some of the money to tell you how to get
at me and tell you how to find them
some of these people were not going to tell us
so you don't break them and alice
there is a limit to what people tell us
that was the one
secret he was going to take to the gray
and that was the protection of the sheik
he was not gonna palace
bristled i was on the one thing you can tell you can tell you anything
the entire time you waterboarding
you didn't get
any useful information from
and then the second of all bananas they love you know
we get a hundred eighty three times
turns out there's a limit any so wouldn't outs
yeah by the way i think i will return rewrite the c_s_o_ sounded a lot
itineraries
you didn't do it you fail you failed you're miserable failure towards her
that's who you are okay
and i'll i'll get the radio to live in a big deal with and then bring well though
one of the week i will more done
buying the house
you know that he destroyed the tapes
on the opposite by them
he destroyed ninety two tapes
that that's destruction of evidence
so why do you do that
there we were having
but you then ordered these tapes destroy correct
body to tapes
ninety two dash why did you order that they be destroyed
the people
who worked for me and who were at both black sites and whose faces a bush all
of the key
protect them from what protect them from al-qaeda ever getting their hands on
this
tapes and using them to go after them and their families
well really
because that's not the reason you gave in internal c_i_a_ me maps
there's another serious wrote in internal emails
that he was certain that the heat from destroying the tapes
would be nothing compared to what it would be interchange spelled out in to
the public domain
so militant and they knew of protecting the accident they would pay for your own
acts
that he did you would take the public domain or
but if there was a clear enough here's a second email
they would make us look terrible
you would be
devastating to us
however i thought you said the reviewer probable this
so why jeff to destroy tapes i mean you look terrible
art pieces they resign to cover a watch
there were people
who feel that you did it
as a cover-up
everything that was on those tapes or authorized activities but the u_s_
government
there was nothing to cover up
there is going to cover up except when you were writing internal mic email
sorry about howden
devastating you would be to u if people find out what was on those tapes
you see working a lot of this guy is
so we're trying to judge who's right the f_b_i_ or the c_i_a_
and what kind of interrogation techniques they use
personally to listen to the onus pekka gentle
of the c_i_a_
who concluded that it didn't work at all
and you can see if the guy implies over and over again
but now we get to some might be reports
alright let's watch again him talking about police april
i can't tell you
this is an individual prolly didn't give up
i walk on water for his face
he never believe for one second with an account
let me just tell you
conceit mohammed used his fingers to cut the number of seconds because he knew
that in all likelihood we would stop it
this doesn't sound like a person who is afraid of dying
well the reason i show you that in the reason i beat
keep calling him stupid
is because the snowy just that
now there's a person is a morass ass about having water poured on his face
so then why did you do and a hundred and eighty three times
if you thought that it didn't matter at all is counting the seconds
and he's fine and that wasn't a break in the didn't break and a hundred and
seventy nine or eighty alternating lady breakout annually has enough access
about so why did you keep doing it
there is no rational answer for that
except he got off on
which is what all torturous to is it never lisa correct information in fact
kpit he admits
that uh...
khalid sheik mohammed told him about subcarrier semana wild goose chase turns
out was the case at all
is a good deal
but let's try it again
sicko alright was a key kiki to go and uh... here's another lie
but he says watch
uh... we don't know we don't know in for example or cut out with the table
too
continue on with their affects program uh... or nuclear program or the second
wave of attacks or the sleeper agents that they had said the united states
were working with khalid sheik mohammed to uh... take down the brooklyn bridge
for example
its easy years later to say well you know no ticking time bomb about that was
stopped
because lesley stahl arrested paying you inside ready attacks
so how do you expect are submitted any other information you say you've got
led to any evidence is a well you know i've noting time bomb i guess and by the
way they waited for months to get authorization so without a ticking time
bomb
do you have if you can wait months for authorization so you know cover your own
acts while you pretend to be a hero
and then that
he what programs he's on a personal anthrax
we concluded rightly or wrongly was done by a professor in the united states of
america having nothing to do with out there
salem or the sleeper cells what like that uh... they're ready bomber jose
padilla we found out later was in a dirty bob moore at all in fact
was in attempting to hit us at all had something you would
totally different countries central asian countries
okay all right but you know what you might say that there was a guy's a
brooklyn senate senate but nuclear program that's why i said all my god
this guy is so painfully ignorant he still talking about something that was
discredited
what eight years ago nine years ago
who still thinks it out they had a nuclear program
we're talking about that we had in charge of counterterrorism
he doesn't know anything or he knows of the things i want to scare the american
people don't there was a nuclear program an hour
you know the c_i_a_ and you may cancel i got on national tv
actress already been discredited for nearly a decade that's embarrassing
uh... we go to
how we arrived at the conclusion that his illegal destroying of the tapes was
in fact legal this is precious watch
someone that you just said that i love that i'd i have this authority i'm going
to do it
one day and finally called in
uh... my advisers and lawyers and see tell me
tell me again
that this is
and tell me
that i have the authority to towards
well the answer i received was yes and yes
and i said well aya point
make this decision to proceed
form they were destroyed
and i just love the way he returned
i pulled the my lawyers and as their boss i told them tell me that i had the
authority to do it
and they said yes
so i got it
all that's how accountability works
well i'm glad you had your lawyers check in on it
charlie i can do it
absurd by the way if he can go and talk about classified evidence all day long
do you write a book about it
as always you just like to introduce perfectly fine
kevin go solo firedoglake makes a great point he says how about the at least six
different people were trying to publish books but the c_i_a_ will not allow does
is auto that's classified intelligence
'cause you're talking about what a way that we do not like
how about that is a great example former c_i_a_ agent jonc recap who is now
facing prosecution
for talking about his role in water board
bussy
exactly jose rodriguez is there
on the but he was a gas water park
if your guests waterboarding then we can look backwards and not ford's been
prosecuted
but if you are four waterboarding
well no no we can't look backwards
you go and write a book and to release all the classified information you like
will back you up everything will be final prosecutor everyone who disagrees
with you
so don't believe the obama administration when they say hey you
know one when i prosecuted for that they are
if your guests waterboarding
now despite all that you think that this guy is in favor president bamaca the guy
who've allowed them to do all this without prosecuting any of their
crimes i mean this guy is anemic is it did many on national t_v_ that he is
broken war-crimes that is considered by the whole world ever united states of
america
to be war-crimes and by the way as i told you before things that we have hung
people for
that's how serious is were crimes
he says thank you obama for letting me get away with that he never actually
says that implicitly saying that but then he says are you know what all bomb
a broker code i can't believe you would even call the torture whether tiber the
spirit he should be protecting us all the way but he did and then the final
insult to injury is this
president obama
has said that what we did was torture
president obama is entitled to
that's like your opinion man
as he would say the big one basket
and that's what he saw the president
hey you know what
says he didn't prosecute me haha it's your opinion
that i broke the law or that i am a war criminal or i'm doing something wrong
and by the way they may need your out of office word or write back the portrait
because that's your opinion man
and art bean is that iraq's
and we can't wait to get our baby boy pants back on
thanks president while my really appreciate that thank you for holding
these guys accountable
you can see how full of remorse there