THEY DO EVERY DAY ALMOST.
ALL RIGHT, SUSAN, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
ACTING DEPUTY HOMELAND SECURITY
SECRETARY KEN CUCINELLI WAS RUN
OUT OF A BAR BY MARYLAND'S
FORMER DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR
MARTIN O'MALLEY.
O'MALLEY HOUNDED HIM FOR
CARRYING OUT TRUMP'S IMMIGRATION
POLICIES.
MR. CUCINELLI CALLED IT, QUOTE,
SAD AND SHOCKING.
GUESS WHAT?
KEN CUCINELLI IS WITH US ON THE
PHONE.
MR. SECRETARY, THANK YOU SO
MUCH.
I READ THIS STORY TWICE BECAUSE
I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT THE FIRST
TIME.
BUT JUST IF YOU COULD --
[LAUGHTER]
EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU CAME UNDER
ATTACK AND HOW DID YOU REACT TO
THAT.
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I DID NOT
LEAVE THE PUB.
ASHLEY: OKAY.
>> I WENT AND GOT MY BEER.
[LAUGHTER]
I STAYED RIGHT THERE.
BUT, YEAH, THAT'S GIVING IN TO
JUVENILE TERRORISM ON THE PART
OF MARTIN O'MALLEY.
SO EVERY NIGHT BEFORE
THANKSGIVING ALL OF US WHO
GRADUATE FROM GONZAGA HIGH
SCHOOL NEAR UNION STATION IN
D.C. INCLUDING MARTIN TO
O'MALLEY AND MYSELF HAVE AN
ALUMNI EVENT.
A LOT OF US GO TO DUBLINER
BEFORE THE EVENT.
STARTED HEARING, LIKE, SCREAMING
AND CUSSING BEHIND ME.
DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF IT OFF THE
BAT AND THEN TURNED TO LOOK AND
SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND THIS
IS THE FORMER ABOVE OF MARYLAND,
VEINS BULGING OUT OF HIS NECK,
SCREAMING AND CUSSING AT ME AND
THE PRESIDENT AND WHATEVER ELSE
HE COULD THINK OF.
AND AS I WAS GOING TO GET MY
GUINNESS, I JUST SORT OF SHOOK
MY HEAD AND WENT OVER TO THAT
PARTICULAR BAR WHICH,
UNFORTUNATELY, HAD CLOSED DOWN,
SO I HAD TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE IN
THE PUB TO GET MY GUINNESS.
BUT AS I WAS WORKING TO WALK
AWAY, OTHERS OF HIS FRIENDS HAD
TAKEN UP THE CHEERS WHICH WE
CAN'T REPEAT BECAUSE OF FCC
RULES, YOU KNOW, DIRECTED AT ME.
TO OCCASIONALLY HE MADE
IMMIGRATION POLICY COMMENTS
WHICH, MY PERSONAL FAVORITE WAS
ABOUT THE 2014 PAGES AND HIS
ASSERTION THAT WE WERE USING
THOSE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION
WHICH, OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT.
I REMINDEDDED HIM THAT PRESIDENT
OBAMA BROUGHT THOSE PAGES AND
USED THEM, AND HE DIDN'T REALLY
APPRECIATE PESKY LITTLE FACTS
LIKE THAT GETTING IN THE WAY OF
HIS JAMISON.
HE HAD SOME OTHER COMMENTS.
GOT RIGHT IN MY FACE, LIKE,
LITERALLY INCHES FROM MY NOSE,
BUMPING UP ON ME AND INVITED ME
TO TAKE A SWING AT HIM.
ASHLEY:
[INAUDIBLE]
>> OH, IT WAS VERY TEMPTING.
OF COURSE IT WAS TEMPTING, BUT
IT WAS NEVER A SERIOUS
CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW?
AND AT THAT POINT, I LITERALLY
SAID TO HIM, MARTIN, ONE OF US
IS GOING TO HAVE TO RISE ABOVE
US AND, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING
TO BE YOU.
[LAUGHTER]
STUART: GOOD LINE.
>> AND INTERESTINGLY, AT THAT
POINT A GUY I'D SERVED IN THE
VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY,
DEMOCRATS FRIEND OF MINE --
STEVE SHANNON, WHO I RAN AGAINST
FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL IN 2009 WHO
I DIDN'T REALIZE WAS THERE WHO
ALSO SPENT A YEAR AT GONZAGA --
POKED HIS HEAD IN BETWEEN US IN
WHAT LOOKED LIKE A PRETTY CLEAR
EFFORT TO DEESCALATE OR SEPARATE
MARTIN FROM HIS SCREAMING,
CUSSING BIT.
HEY, KEN, HOW YOU DOING, HOW'S
THE FAMILY WHICH WAS, I THOUGHT,
WERE WISE OF IM-- I THOUGHT VERY
WISE OF HIM.
IT ISN'T EVERY DEMOCRAT, BUT
THIS SORT OF ANTIFA-LIKE TACTIC
YOU SAW WITH SARAH SANDERS, TED
CRUZ, ETC., AND LIKE I SAID, I
WASN'T GOING TO LEAVE THE PUB
AND DIDN'T.
AND WHEN I WENT TO THE OTHER
SIDE AND ACTUALLY FOUND MY
CLASSMATES AND GOT MY GUINNESS,
I LEARNED THAT THEY COULD ALL --
ACROSS THE PUB, AND WE'RE
TALKING, LIKE, AROUND THE CORNER
FROM A WALL --
ASHLEY: YEAH.
>> -- THEY WERE HEARING HIM
SCREAMING AND YELLING NOT REALLY
KNOWING WHAT WAS GOING ON.
BUT I THINK MARTIN WOULD LIKE TO
PLAY IT TODAY LIKE HE WAS A
COOL, CALM ASSESSOR OF TRUMP
IMMIGRATION POLICY.
AND THE PRESIDENT, LOOK, HAS
BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE IN THE
FAILURE OF CONGRESS TO ACT, AND
THIS IS THE KIND OF RESPONSE
THAT WE GET.
ASHLEY: RIGHT.
>> INSTEAD OF CONSTRUCTIVE
PARTICIPATION, PEOPLE LIKE
MARTIN SCREAM, AND THEY COME
RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF
VIOLENCE.
AND, OF COURSE, SOME OF THEM
ACTUALLY CROSS THAT LINE.
I THINK MARTIN WAS PRETTY
TEMPTED HIMSELF.
ASHLEY: HAVE YOU HEARD FROM,
HAVE YOU HEARD FROM MR. O'MALLEY
AT ALL --
>> OH, NO.
ASHLEY: -- WITH SORT OF AN
APOLOGY?
>> NO.
MARTIN ISN'T GOING TO APOLOGIZE.
MARTIN WAS OUT OF CONTROL, AND
HE BELIEVED WHAT HE WAS CUSSING.
AND, YOU KNOW, STARTED IN ON MY,
YOU KNOW, HE DRAGGED EVERYTHING
IN THERE.
NOT JUST ME AND THE PRESIDENT,
HE STARTED IN ON MY ITALIAN
GRANDPARENTS --
ASHLEY: OH, MY GOD.
>> YEAH, THAT WAS A JOY.
AND, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW,
PHYSICALLY RIGHT IN MY FACE,
FINGER, FINGER IN THE CHEST KIND
OF THING, BUMPING UP ON ME.
AND HE OBVIOUSLY WANTED TO FIGHT
SINCE HE INVITED ME TO TAKE A
WING AT HIM.
ASHLEY: RIGHT.
>> BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE
LEVEL OF BEHAVIOR.
HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING
CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY.
MIND YOU, THIS IS A GUY WHOM THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY THOUGHT HE
COULD BE PRESIDENT.
[LAUGHTER]
BUT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS
A JOKE FOR EVERYONE EXCEPT
MARTIN O'MALLEY AT ALL POINTS IN
TIME.
ASHLEY: WELL --
>> YOU KNOW?
IT'S SAD AND PATHETIC, AND I'M
GLAD WE HAVE LARRY HOGAN IN
MARYLAND AND NOT MARTIN
O'MALLEY.
ASHLEY: THE GOOD NEWS IS, KEN,
YOU DIDN'T GIVE UP ON YOUR
GUINNESS, AND YOU CAME OUT OF
IT.
>> HELL, NO.
[LAUGHTER]
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
ASHLEY: MAN AFTER MY OWN HEART.
I HEAR YA.