COMMITTEE?
BECAUSE I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE
TO KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THOSE
QUESTIONS THAT YOU JUST ASKED.
>> I THINK WERE GOING TO PROBE,
HARD, ON THIS.
I KNOW THAT I HAVE A LOT OF
QUESTIONS, FOR INSTANCE,
ABOUT -- YOU KNOW, HE BROUGHT UP
JIM JORDAN IN THAT CONVERSATION.
HE BROUGHT UP RON JOHNSON.
THE SENATOR FROM WISCONSIN.
WHO HE SAYS, QUOTE/UNQUOTE, GETS
TO THE BOTTOM OF THINGS.
AND UM, WE JUST DONT KNOW WHAT
THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO RIGHT
AFTER THIS.
HOWEVER, NOW THAT THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT HAS, BASICALLY,
ALLOWED THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE
AND US TO DO OUR INVESTIGATION,
UNIMPEDED BY THE PROSPECT OF
EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, WE CAN GET
AT THE E-MAILS.
WE CAN GET AT OTHER DOCUMENTS.
NOW, WE CAN BRING WITNESSES IN
AND ACTUALLY HAVE HEARINGS AND
SO FORTH.
>> WHY DO YOU THINK -- YOU KNOW,
WHEN WE WERE ALL PLAYING THIS
OUT, THE WAY THINGS GO OVER THE
LAST FOUR YEARS.
THERE WAS AN ASSUMPTION,
CERTAINLY, WITH ME AND SOME
OTHER PEOPLE.
WHO THOUGHT THERELL BE SOME
INJUNCTION TO GETTING THESE
NOTES RELEASED.
THAT TRUMPS PEOPLE WOULD ACT ON
IT.
AND THEY DIDNT.
IS IT THEY DONT THINK ANYTHING
IS WRONG WITH IT?
WHAT HAPPENED HERE?
HOW DO YOU THINK THESE NOTES
WENT FROM BEING REPORTED AND
LEAKED AND TO YOUR COMMITTEE AS
FAST AS THEY DID?
>> UM, I DONT KNOW ALL THE
BEHIND-THE-SCENES ACTION.
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS RICHARD
DONOGHUE AND THE AUTHORS OF
THESE NOTES KNEW EXACTLY WHAT
THEY WERE DOING IN TAKING THEM
BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT WHAT WAS
GOING ON WAS -- DIDNT MEET THE
SMELL TEST, TO SAY THE LEAST.
AND LIKELY, COULD RAISE LEGAL
QUESTIONS AND ILLEGALITY ON THE
PART OF THE PRESIDENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU
DIDNT MENTION, BEFORE, IN
DRAWING ANALOGIES WAS THE BRAD
RAFFENSPERGER CALL.
>> UH-HUH.
>> WHERES PRESIDENT TRUMP ASKED
BRAD RAFFENSPERGER TO FIND
11,780 VOTES TO OVERTURN THE
GEORGIA ELECTION.
>> YEP.
>> AND IN GEORGIA -- AND
BASICALLY, ELECTION EXPERTS, AT
THAT TIME, DID NOT THINK THAT
FOLKS WOULD PROSECUTE THAT
PARTICULAR BEHAVIOR, IN THAT
CALL, UNDER THE STATE AND
FEDERAL-ELECTION LAWS.
BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE WASNT WHAT
THEY WANTED.
BUT NOW, THE -- THE EVIDENCE IS
STARTING TO PILE UP.
AND UM, WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES
THE QUESTION, WHAT OTHER TYPES
OF CALLS EXIST?
WE KNOW ABOUT THE RAFFENSPERGER
CALL.
WE KNOW ABOUT THIS DOJ CALL.
WHO ELSE DID HE TALK TO?
AND WHAT DID HE ASK THEM TO DO,
AS WELL?
>> YEAH, YOURE RIGHT, IN THAT
THERE ARE SIMILARITIES TO THAT
CALL, AS WELL.
PLAY THIS OUT FOR ME.
LETS SAY HE HAD CALLED ROSEN AT
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
AND ROSEN HAD DONE HIS BIDDING.
UM, OR SOMEONE HAD DONE HIS
BIDDING OR -- OR TRUMP PUT HIS
GUY IN PLACE AND DID THEIR --
WHAT -- WHAT WOULD THE EFFECT OF
THAT BE?
END OF DECEMBER, 2020.
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE COMES OUT
AND SAYS WHAT TRUMP WANTS EM TO
SAY.
THE ELECTIONS WERE CORRUPT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS IN --
IN AN INSTANCE LIKE THAT?
>> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
DISASTROUS, ALI.
YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, WHAT IT
WOULD HAVE DONE IS THROWN THE
WHOLE ELECTION AFTERMATH INTO
EVEN MORE CHAOS.
AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE
PRELUDE FOR, BASICALLY, GOING TO
EACH OF THE STATE CAPITOLS WHICH
THEY, ALREADY, WERE DOING, THE
TRUMP FOLKS.
AND BASICALLY, ASKING THEM TO
BASICALLY UNDO THE
DECERTIFICATION OR DECERTIFY
THEIR ELECTIONS.
AND, OF COURSE, IT WOULD HAVE
PROVIDED MORE GRIST FOR WHAT
THEY WERE DOING ON JANUARY 6th.
TO ME, THIS CALL -- YOU KNOW,
ITS ALMOST LIKE DONALD TRUMP --
YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE A BANK
HEIST, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP
WAS BASICALLY TELLING PEOPLE,
OKAY.
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, YOU DRIVE
THIS CAR.
CRASH IT THROUGH THE WINDOWS OF
THE BANK WINDOW AND THE VAULT.
AND ILL TAKE IT FROM HERE.
SO MUCH DAMAGE WOULD HAVE
HAPPENED, HAD THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT CARRIED THIS OUT.
I SHUDDER TO THINK OF WHAT MORE
WOULD HAVE HAPPENED ON JANUARY
6th.
A DAY THAT I LIVED THROUGH, AS
WELL AS MY COLLEAGUES AND THE