>>> THIS WEEK, FORMER FOX NEWS CHAIRMAN ROGER AILES DIED AT THE
ALLEGE OF 77. ONCE A CONSULTANT FOR RICHARD
NIXON, GEORGE H.W. BUSH IS KNOWN FOR CREATING FOX NEWS AND HE
ALSO HAD HAND IN THIS NETWORK AND "AMERICA'S TALKING."
HE RESIGNED A YEAR AGO FOR MULTIPLE SEXUAL CLAIMS.
HIS GREATEST CREATION IS NOT JUST A RIGHT WING POWERHOUSE BUT
ALTERNATE REALITY AND FAX THAT MIGHT BE UNCOMFORTABLE FOR
REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS OR EVEN IGNORED.
JOINING ME, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK.
I WANT TO FIRST GO TO YOU ON THIS, KIRSTEN.
IT CAN SEEM HARSH. WE ARE THE COMPETITOR OBVIOUSLY
OF FOX NEWS. THE REALITY OF THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN WHAT PEOPLE WHO WATCH FOX KNOW AND HEAR AND THEY ARE
MORE LIKELY TO ONLY WATCH FOX TO ONLY WATCH FOX OTHER THAN PEOPLE
THAT WATCH MSNBC JUMP AROUND. MEDIA MANAGERS COME PILED 51
SCREEN SHOTS TO SHOW HOW FOX COVERED THE COMEY STORY ABOUT
HOW COMEY FIRED DATING TO WHEN THE STORY BROKE TO THE EVENING
OF MAY 12th. FOUR OF THESE SCREEN GRABS.
YOU SEE THE ONE IN THE LEFT-HAND CORNER, LOCK HER UP, ABOUT
HILLARY CLINTON. MEDIA HYSTERIA OVER COMEY
FIRING. MEDIA MELTDOWN.
DEMOCRATS AND COMEY. AND THE NIGHT ABOUT THE COMEY
MEMO OR ABOUT COMEY, THE COMEY CONVERSATION WITH DONALD TRUMP,
MSNBC RAN A BREAKING NEWS HEADLINE THAT SAID TRUMP ASKED
COMEY TO SHUT DOWN THE FLYNN INVESTIGATION.
CNN, SOURCES COMEY MEMO STATES TRUMP ASKED HIM TO END FLYNN
PROBE. FOX, CLINTON FOUNDATION, WHERE
IS IT NOW? >> HERE'S THE THING.
ROGER AILES WAS GOOD AT CREATING A STYLE AND UNDERSTAND SHOW
BUSINESS AS SHOW BUSINESS AND UNDERSTAND HIS AUDIENCE VERY
WELL AND WHAT SOLD AND THAT'S WHAT FOX CONTINUES TO DO.
IT IS IN THE MODEL OF ENTERTAINMENT CASTING VILLAINS
AND CREATING ROLES FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY AND INSERTING THEM IN THOSE
ROLES. THE REASON IT TOOK ON SO WELL
YOU THINK OF THE 1990s WHEN IT WAS CREATED, I DON'T THINK THEY
CREATED THIS DIVISION BUT IT WAS A RESPONSE TO THE DIVISION WE'RE
EXPERIENCING IN THE COUNTRY WITH THE IMPEACHMENT SCANDAL AND HOW
REPUBLICANS WENT VERY VERY HARD AGAINST DEMOCRATS.
THAT WAS WHEN YOU SAW THIS SPLIT IN THE COUNTRY STARTED TO
EXACERBATE.
WHERE THE AUDIENCE WENT THAT'S WHERE THE BUSINESS GOES.
I WOULD SAY THE LEGACY IS VERY COMPLEX AND GRETCHEN CARLSON, A
VERY GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, FORMER MISS AMERICA, AND HOLD HER IN
HIGH REGARD. THERE IS A LEGACY OF WHAT HE DID
IN BUSINESS AND PEOPLE HE WORKED WITH.
WE SHOULD ALWAYS TRY TO BALANCE AND LACK AT BOTH.
AS INDIVIDUALS WHEN WE'RE REMEMBERED WE WANT TO BE
REMEMBERED MORE THAN OUR DEMONS. >> YOU SAID SOMETHING VERY
IMPORTANT TO ONE OF MY FAVORITE BOOKS I KEEP ON SELLING THIS
BOOK AND NOT GETTING A COMMISSION FOR IT.
JOAN, YOU WROTE A BOOK "WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH WHITE PEOPLE."
WHAT KRISTEN JUST SAID YOU HAD THIS GROUP OF AMERICANS THAT
CAME TO BELIEVE THE MEDIA WERE CONSPIRING AGAINST THEM.
NEW DEAL DEMOCRATS THAT BECAME REAGAN REPUBLICANS AND FOX
SERVED THAT CONSTITUENCY. >> KIRSTEN IS BEING MORE
CHARITABLE TO ROGER AILES THAN I WOULD BE.
NOT AS THOUGH THE WALKED IN AND FOUND THIS DIVIDED THIS COUNTRY.
HE DIVIDED IT AS A POLITICAL CONSULTANT AND WORKED WITH
RICHARD NIXON AND HELPED HIM TAP INTO THE CIVIL RIGHTS AND
ANTI-WAR BACKLASH SPLITTING THE COUNTRY IN THE '60s, HE HELPED
NIXON BECOME PRESIDENT AND DID IT WITH LESS OVERT RACISM.
THERE IS A FAVORITE STORE WHERE HE SAYS WE WILL GET THIS GUY WHO
WILL ASK NIXON AT A TOWN HALL, WHAT ABOUT THOSE N WORDS AND
WILL GIVE NIXON A CHANCE TO SAY, HOW DARE YOU, SIR AND PIVOTS TO
LAW AND ORDER AND DID IT IN THE
SAME THINGS AND BUILT A BUSINESS ON IT IN THE '90s.
>> IT IS THE WAY HE HELPED H.W. BUSH GET ELECTED.
THE BLACK BODY A SCARY THING, YOU HAVE TO VOTE WITH IT
DANGLING OUT THERE IS PART OF HIS LEGACY, TOO.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THE WORD WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT
IS GRIEVANCE. ROGER AILES BUILT AN ENTIRE
NETWORK AROUND GRIEVANCE WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
IN THE OP-ED PAGE, THEY TALK ABOUT HE AND ROGER AILES WOULD
GO TO LUNCH AT MICHAELS AND HAVE THE PREMIER TABLE WITH A VAST
VIEW OF THE ROOM WITH ALL THE MEDIA ELITE WHO LUNCH AT
MICHAELS, PARTICULARLY ON WEDNESDAYS, PEOPLE COMING UP TO
THE TABLE, KISSING HIS RING, GIVING HIM COMPLIMENTS AND
SINGING HIS PRAISES. THE THING JOHN KLINE FOUND MOST
REMARKABLE, EVEN THOUGH THE MEDIA ELITE OF THE COUNTRY WERE
BOWING DOWN TO ROGER AILES AT THIS RESTAURANT, HE FELT
AGGRIEVED. HE SAID, THEY'RE SAYING THESE
NICE THINGS BUT THEY HATE DOING IT.
I PIGGYBACK ON WHAT JOAN SAID, I'M NOT AS INCLINED TO BE AS
CHARITABLE TO ROGER AILES. I DON'T BEGRUDGE HIM HIS
BUSINESS SUCCESS BUT I DO TAKE ISSUE WITH WHAT IT HAS DONE TO
AMERICA AND THE DISCOURSE. WE HAVE A PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES WHO REALLY CHALLENGES NOT ONLY WHO WE ARE
AS A COUNTRY BUT OUR VERY DEMOCRATIC SMALL D INSTITUTIONS.
>> THAT SENSE OF GRIEVANCE, IT SOUNDS LIKE DONALD TRUMP, VERY
SIMILAR, DONALD TRUMP IS A GREAT CONSUMER OF FOX NEWS, HE IS A
BIG FAN OF IT AND ECHOS THAT SAME -- THEY'RE NOT BEING NICE
TO ME AND EVEN IF THEY AREY THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
IT DOES SEEM AILES TRANSMITTED THAT SENSE OF GRIEVANCE DOWN THE
LINE. GABE SHERMAN HAD THIS TWEET, A
LONG TIME BIOGRAPHER OF AILES. DURING THE EULOGY FOR ROGER
AILES, HIS SON APPARENTLY THREATENED THE WOMEN WHO ALLEGED
HARASSMENT AGAINST HIS FATHER. THE QUOTE WAS I'M COMING AFTER
THEM AND HELL IS COMING WITH ME. THAT KIND OF ANGER IS
INTERESTING. >> IT'S SAD.
FRANKLY, IT'S UNACCEPTABLE IN LIGHT OF EVERYTHING THAT
HAPPENED. I WILL SAY I TRULY DO BELIEVE
THERE IS AN EFFORT WITHIN FOX TO CHANGE.
THERE IS A KNOWLEDGE THINGS NEED TO CHANGE, CULTURE NEEDS TO
CHANGE WITH THE MURDOCH BOYS COMING IN AND TAKING THINGS IN A
DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE THEIR AUDIENCE
IS GOING, GETTING OLDER AND OLDER.
YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE NETFLIX AND HULU AND EVERY OTHER KIND OF
MEDIA SCREAMING DEVICE IN THEIR HAND, HOW DO WE ENGAGE THOSE
YOUNGER VIEWERS. I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THAT
DEMOGRAPHIC IS SHIFTING. IT'S A TRANSITION PHASE AND I
THINK EVERYONE IS WORKING TO THAT SO THEY DON'T GET THROUGH
THIS AGAIN. >> BOB BECKER WAS FIRED FOR THE
SECOND TIME. HE SAID I MADE AN AUDIENCE FOR
PEOPLE 55 TO DEAD, WHITE MEN SITTING ON THEIR COUCHES WITH
THE REMOTE CONTROL ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT AND HE LOOKED AT ME
AND SAID, THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU, THEY DON'T WANT TO KNOW YOU
EXIST. I DIDN'T KNOW -- ALL THE THINGS
THAT THAT MEANT. >> RIGHT.
IT WAS A PICTURE HOW HE WAS CATERING TO A CERTAIN KIND OF
GRIEVANCE. I HOPE THE MURDOCH BROTHERS
REALIZE THAT IS A DECLINING AUDIENCE AND THEY CHANGE THEIR
PRACTICES RADICALLY. >> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT
HASN'T CHANGED OVER THERE AT THE HOUSE THAT ROGER AILES BUILT IS
THIS IDEA OF DEFLECTING BAD NEWS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP INTO
SOMETHING ELSE. THE CURRENT ONE IS TRAGIC, THE
FAMILY OF SETH RICH SENT A SEAT AND DESIST ORTS -- CEASE AND
DESIST ORDER TO FOX NEWS. THEY DECIDED TO TURN HIS PAIN
ABOUT CONSPIRACY THEORY INTO SOMETHING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON
AND HER CAMPAIGN. >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT'S
ABOUT. IT SHOWS A LACK OF SHAME.
I WROTE A PIECE SAYING PRESIDENT TRUMP LACKS THE ONE THING HIS 44
PREDECESSORS HAVE, A SENSE OF SHAME.
SHAME IS THAT EMOTION THAT BLOCKS YOU FROM DOING SOMETHING
THAT YOU SHOULD LATER REGRET OR YOU SHOULDN'T DO TO BEGIN WITH.
THE FACT THAT A GRIEVING FAMILY NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME HAS TO
DEMAND FOX DOING THIS IS REALLY
TRAGIC. WHY FOX DOES THIS IS BEYOND ME.
>> I THINK THEY SHOULD LISTEN TO KIRSTEN.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. >>> MIKE