EARN A LIVING ON HIS OWN.
HE LIVED OFF OF HIS PARENTS.
>> SO LET’S SEE WHAT SOME VOTERS
IN PENNSYLVANIA HAVE TO SAY
ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW LAST NIGHT
IN THIS SHOWDOWN.
NOREEN JOHNSON IS A REGISTERED
REPUBLICAN, P.J. DOLAN IS AN
INDEPENDENT.
MATT BARRACK IN THE BACK IS A
REGISTERED REPUBLICAN.
ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.
CYNTHIA WATKINS IS A REGISTERED
DEMOCRAT THAT WORKED FOR THE
HOUSE DEMOCRAT CAUSE -- CAUCUS
AND SHANE ELSINGER IS AN
INDEPENDENT.
YOUR A GREAT CROSS SECTION OF
CITIZENS FROM PENNSYLVANIA.
ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS LAST
NIGHT THAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING
ABOUT TODAY, HOW JOHN FETTERMAN
DID.
WHETHER OR NOT HE IS ABLE TO
SERVE AFTER THE STROKE THAT HE
SUFFERED, SOMETHING EVERYBODY IS
SYMPATHETIC ABOUT.
I’M GOING TO ASK FOR A SHOW OF
HANDS.
DO YOU THINK THAT JOHN FETTERMAN
BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW LAST NIGHT
IS ABLE TO SERVE AS A U.S.
SENATOR.
IF YOU SAY YES, RAISE YOUR HAND.
OKAY.
SO NOTHING CHANGED.
CINDY, LET ME START WITH YOU.
YOU’RE COMMITTED TO VOTING FOR
JOHN FETTERMAN.
WERE YOU SYMPATHETIC, CONCERNED
ABOUT HIM UP THERE?
>> I WASN’T SYMPATHETIC.
I WAS SOMEWHAT CONCERNED.
BUT KNOWING WHAT I KNOW ABOUT
STROKES, I KNOW THAT IT TAKES
AWHILE TO RECOVER.
BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS NOT FINDING
WORDS OR STUMBLING OVER WORDS
DOESN’T MEAN THAT THEY’RE
INCAPABLE OF SERVING.
>> SO P.J., YOU PUT YOUR HAND
HALFWAY UP.
WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND
AS YOU WATCHED HIM ANSWERING
THOSE QUESTIONS LAST NIGHT?
>> A LOT, MARTHA.
NUMBER 1, AS CINDY SAID, YES, HE
COULD BE CAPABLE OF THE JOB.
HOWEVER, MY TAKE ON IT IS IF
YOU’RE GOING FOR THE JOB OF U.S.
SENATE, YOU NEED TO EFFECTIVELY
COMMUNICATE ON THE SEVENTH
FLOOR.
IF HE CAN’T DO THAT PHYSICALLY,
THAT’S A BIG ISSUE.
>> YOU’RE AN UNDECIDED.
A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT,
UNDECIDED VOTER.
DID YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND?
>> IT PUSHED ME MORE TOWARDS OZ.
I HAVEN’T MADE THE DECISION YET
TOTALLY.
WHAT WE SAW LAST NIGHT WAS SAD
TO SAY THE LEAST.
I FELT FOR HIM.
I FELT EMPATHETIC FOR HIM, AND
AT THE SAME TIME CONCERNED.
I’M CONCERNED THAT THEY EVEN PUT
HIM OUT THERE TO BE HONEST WITH
YOU.
I MEAN, WE’RE SEEING THAT TWICE
NOW.
>> Martha: ONE OF THE TOUGH
MOMENTS WAS HIS ANSWER ON
FRACKING.
LET’S WATCH THAT ANSWER WITH ALL
OF YOU.
>> I DO SUPPORT FRACKING.
I’VE NEVER TAKEN ANY MONEY FROM
THEIR -- THE INDUSTRY.
I SUPPORT HOW CRITICAL IT IS
THAT WE PRODUCE OUR OWN ENERGY.
>> THERE IS THAT 2018 INTERVIEW
THAT YOU SAID "I DON’T SUPPORT
FRACKING AT ALL."
SO HOW DO YOU SQUARE THE TWO? >> I DO SUPPORT FRACKING.
>> I DO SUPPORT FRACKING.
AND OWN -- I DON’T -- I SUPPORT
FRACKING AND I STAND AND I
SUPPORT FRACKING.
>> SHANE, YOU’RE A REGISTERED
LIBERTARIAN.
I BELIEVE YOU’RE A VETERAN AS
WELL.
ENERGY IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG ISSUE.
SO HIS FLIP-FLOP ON FRACKING,
WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE?
>> WELL, AS FAR AS FRACKING IS
CONCERNED, PENNSYLVANIA NEEDS
IT, ESPECIALLY IN THE ENERGY
PROBLEMS WE’RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.
SO IT’S VERY POSSIBLE THAT
BEFORE IN 2018, MAYBE HE WAS
LIKE YEAH, WE HAVE TO END THIS.
NOW THAT WE’RE IN THE ECONOMIC
CLIMATE, HE MAY HAVE JUST
CHANGED HIS MIND. SO THAT WASN’T AS HURTFUL OF AN
SO THAT WASN’T AS HURTFUL OF AN
EXCHANGE FOR FETTERMAN AS SOME L
>> Martha: DID OZ PERSUADE YOU?
>> SEND IT TO THE STATES WHERE
IT BELONGS.
THAT’S A LIBERTARIAN KIND OF
THING TO DO.
AS AN ELECTRICIAN, HE PUSHED THE
TRADES SEVERAL TIMES.
HE MENTIONED ABOUT HELPING BRING
THAT ALONG, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS
A VERY GOOD THING FOR HIM AS
WELL.
>> Martha: LET’S WATCH THE
RESPONSE ON ABORTION FROM
DR. OZ.
>> THERE SHOULD NOT BE
INVOLVEMENT FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT IN HOW STATES DECIDE
THEIR ABORTION DECIDES.
I WANT WOMEN, DOCTORS, POLITICAL
LEADERS LEADING THE DEMOCRACY
THAT HAS ALLOWED OUR NATION TO
THRIVE TO PUT THE BEST IDEAS
FORWARD SO STATES CAN DECIDE FOR
THEMSELVES.
>> Martha: SO NOREEN, YOU HAVE
SAID YOU SUPPORT DR. OZ.
IN THAT ANSWER, HE TALKED ABOUT
IT BEING DECIDED BY WOMEN AND
THEIR DOCTORS AND LOCAL
POLITICAL OFFICIALS, WHICH HE’S
GETTING SOME BLOW-BACK FOR
TODAY.
WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THE
ANSWER THERE?
>> WELL, OBVIOUSLY MOST
CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS,
ANYONE, ARE VERY, VERY PRO LIFE.
THAT BEING SAID, HE’S ALSO A
DOCTOR.
SO HE VERY MUCH SPEAKS FROM A
MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK THAT’S WHAT HE WAS DOING
LAST NIGHT.
HE WASN’T NECESSARILY DRAWING A
LINE BETWEEN EITHER SIDE.
HE WAS MORE DEFINING THE FACT
THAT HE’S A DOCTOR AND KNOWS
SOMETIMES THERE’S MEDICAL
REASONS WHY IT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE.
>> Martha: SO I WANT TO ASK YOU
ABOUT THE GOVERNOR’S RACE AS
WELL.
WE’VE BEEN HEARING THERE’S SOME
SPLIT VOTE.
MASTRIANO AND OZ ON THE
REPUBLICAN SIDE.
HOW ABOUT YOU?
>> I WOULD NEVER SPLIT MY VOTE
BECAUSE I’M A PARTY VOTER.
I ALSO KNOW THAT OUR COUNTRY
RIGHT NOW IS A DISASTER.
THERE’S ONE PARTY FOR ME.
THAT’S REPUBLICAN.
>> Martha: A DISASTER IN WHAT
SENSE?
>> DO YOU HAVE ABOUT A WEEK TO
TALK ABOUT IT?
EVERYTHING FROM INFLATION TO CRIME.
EVERYWHERE LAST NIGHT?
>> GOING INTO LAST NIGHT, I
WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT BOTH
OF THESE GUYS.
SPECIFICALLY OZ.
FETTERMAN HAS A BIT OF A RECORD
WHERE WE’VE SEEN WHAT HE’S DONE
IN GOVERNMENT.
OZ NOT SO MUCH.
AS P.J. MENTIONED EARLIER, GOING
IN, I WAS A BIT EMPATHETIC
WATCHING HIM BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE
HE NEEDS TO MAKE DECISIONS.
I’M NOT CERTAIN LOOKING AT HIS
PERFORMANCE LAST NIGHT THAT WE
CAN COUNT ON HIM AS
PENNSYLVANIANS TO MAKE GOOD
DECISIONS AND REPRESENT US.
THERE WAS A NEUROLOGIST ON LAST
NIGHT SAYING SHE DOESN’T KNOW
ANY MORE THAN THE REST OF US BUT
TYPICALLY THE THERAPY IN THE
FIRST SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS IS
ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS.
HE’S BEEN 5 1/2 MONTHS POST
STROKE TO THINK THIS MAY BE AS
GOOD AS HE’S GOING TO GET IS
VERY CONCERNING.
>> Martha: CINDY, YOU RAISED
YOUR HAND THAT YOU FEEL LIKE THE
COUNTRY IS HEADED IN THE WRONG
DIRECTION.
IN WHAT WAY?
>> SPEAKING AS AN AFRICAN
AMERICAN, SECONDLY AS A WOMAN
AND THIRDLY AS A SENIOR, I SEE A
LOT OF RACISM, SEXISM AND
AGEISM.
THAT’S AFFECTING EVERYBODY.
>> Martha: WHAT ABOUT YOUR
FEELINGS ABOUT THE CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION?
ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF PRESIDENT
BIDEN?
DO YOU THINK HE SHOULD RUN
AGAIN?
>> I’M NOT SURE THAT HE SHOULD
RUN AGAIN, BUT I’M SUPPORTIVE OF
WHAT HE IS ATTEMPTING TO DO.
>> Martha: HOW WOULD YOU -- AND
WHAT IS THAT?
WHEN YOU LOOK AT INFLATION, LOOK
AT CRIME, DO YOU FEEL LIKE HE’S
ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH THOSE
TWO THINGS?
LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY.
>> I THINK SO.
I’M ALSO AWAY THAT ONE MAN
CANNOT FIX ANYTHING, NO MATTER
WHAT PARTY.
>> Martha: SO WHEN I ASK YOU
ABOUT CRIME, HOW HIGH ON THE
LIST IS CRIME?
DO YOU FEEL SAFE IN THIS COUNTRY
TODAY OR DO YOU FEEL UNSAFE?
WHO WANTS TO --
>> UNSAFE.
>> TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, MY
TEEN DAUGHTER WANTED TO GO WITH
A FAMILY THAT I TRUST TO NEW
YORK CITY.
HERE AGAIN, WE’RE TALKING
PENNSYLVANIA, NOT NEW YORK.
I HAD NO ISSUE WITH THE FAMILY
SHE WAS TRAVELING WITH, HAD NO
WORRIES ABOUT THE DECISIONS THAT
THEY WERE MAKING BUT SEEING THE
NEWS REPORTS OF WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN OUR INNER CITIES
GAVE ME COMPLETED PAUSE IN
ALLOWING HER TO GO.
THAT SHOULDN’T BE SOMETHING THAT
YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
IF YOU’RE OKAY WITH EVERYTHING
ELSE, IT’S SAD TO THINK IN
AMERICA NOWADAYS YOU HAVE TO
WONDER WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN JUST
GOING TO VISIT A PLACE.
>> Martha: IN TERMS OF ENERGY,
HOW IS INFLATION IMPACTING YOUR
DAILY LIFE AND MAYBE SHANE, YOU
CAN TALK ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS AS
AN ELECTRICIAN.
YOU RUN YOUR OWN COMPANY.
>> YEAH, DRIVING A LARGE TRUCK
SUCKS UP THE GAS MILEAGE.
IT CERTAINLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE
ON HOW FAR YOU WANT TO TRAVEL TO
TAKE A JOB AND DO THINGS LIKE
THAT.
YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN MORE
CONSIDERATIONS THAN YOU USED TO
BEFORE.
>> Martha: ARE YOU MAKING
DIFFERENT PERSONAL DECISIONS
ABOUT TRAVEL OR BUYING A HOME,
ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES?
>> I TOOK A DIFFERENT JOB
BECAUSE THE COMMUTE MAINLY.
AND THE VIOLENCE.
I ALSO TEACH SCHOOL IN THE INNER
CITY.
I TRAVEL NINE MONTH AND TAKES ME
AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES TO GET
HOME.
THE GAS MONEY COUPLING WITH THE
COMMUTE IS JUST TOO MUCH.
IT ALL ADDS UP.
IT AFFECTS EVERYTHING.
AFFECTS COSTS OF GOODS,
EVERYTHING.
>> Martha: HOW IS IT AFFECTING
YOU?
>> CONSIDERING THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY RUNS ON BEING FOR THE
MIDDLE CLASS, THE MIDDLE CLASS
ARE HURTING.
SO CLEARLY EVERYONE IS AFFECTED
BY THE MIDDLE CLASS IS HURTING.
DIRECTLY TO ME, I WOULD SAY THAT
YES, I DEFINITELY TRAVEL LESS
FOR LOTS OF REASONS.
BUT IN GENERAL, IF WE DON’T
WATCH OUR SAVINGS AND OUR
401(k)s, THERE’S A GOOD CHANCE
THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT.
>> Martha: SO IN THE BEGINNING,
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DON’T
KNOW FETTERMAN WAS KIND OF
GETTING LEVERAGE ON OVER MEHMET
OZ, HE SPENT MOST OF HIS LIFE
INPENNSYLVANIA AND MOVED TO
NEW JERSEY.
IS THAT A PROBLEM FOR ANY OF
YOU?
>> YES, IT’S A PROBLEM FOR ME.
I CALL SUCH PEOPLE CARPET
BAGGERS.
>> Martha: THAT’S WHAT THEY’VE
BEEN CALLED.
>> I WOULD SAY ENTERING LAST
NIGHT THAT WAS A CONCERN OF
MINE.
I GOT TO SAY I DIDN’T
PARTICULARLY LIKE THAT HE SPENT
MOST OF HIS LIFE IT SEEMS, ADULT
LIFE, IN NORTHERN NEW JERSEY.
THAT SAID, WE FIND OURSELF IN A
PLACE WHERE WE ONLY HAVE TWO
VIABLE CANDIDATES RIGHT NOW.
WHICH IS WHAT I SEE IS PART OF
THE PROBLEM.
THERE IS NO REALISTIC THIRD
CHOICE THAT I COULD FORESEE
WINNING.
WHEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN AND LOOK
AT THAT, DO I SEE THAT AS
SOMETHING THAT WOULD KEEP ME
FROM VOTING FOR HIM?
NO.
AFTER LAST NIGHT I FEEL STRONGLY
WHERE I NEED TO PUT MY VOTE.
>> Martha: IT SEEMS LIKE THE
UNDECIDED VOTERS ON THE PANEL
AFTER LAST NIGHT ARE LEANING
TOWARDS OZ.
IS THAT ACCURATE STATEMENT?
UNDECIDED?
THREE UNDECIDED.
NODDING HEADS.
ALL RIGHT.
VERY INTERESTING.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING WITH
YOU MORE.
WE’LL DO A CONTINUATION FOR THE
PODCAST THAT WILL COME OUT LATER
THIS WEEK AS WELL.