>> AND A NEW REPORT FROM U.S.
GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT CHINESE
HACKING HAS INCREASES OVER PAST
YEAR AMID A TRADE DISTRIBUTE
BETWEEN U.S. AND COMMUNIST
CHINA.
SAYING THAT THEY ARE AIMED AT
STEALING AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY AND
TRADE SECRET, PRESIDENT TRUMP TO
MEET WITH CHINESE PRESIDENT XI
JINPING DECEMBER 1, AT G20
SUMMIT IN ARGENTINA.
>> JOINING ME NOW TO DISCUSS
CHINESE AGGRESSION GENES THE
U.S. AND UPCOMING MEETING
BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND XI,
GORDON CHANG, AUTHOR OF "THE
COMING COLLAPSE OF CHINA."
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, WHAT
ARE YOU HOPING COMES OUT OF THIS
MEETING ON THE SIDELINE OF G20.
ARE YOU OPTIMISTIC SOMETHING CAN
BE DONE ORING IN.
NOTHING.
>> I HOPE THERE IS NO AGREEMENT.
WE HAD SO MANY AGREEMENTS WITH
CHINA OVER DECADES.
XI JINPING AND PRESIDENT OBAMA
STOOD IN THE ROSE GARDEN, AND
PROMISED NOT TO HACK COMMERCIAL
INTERVIEWSES OF OTHER COUNTRY
FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.
CHINESE HAVE NOT STOPPED, AND IT
HAS GOTTEN WORSE SINCE MIDDLE OF
2017, WE HAVE OUR BACKS AGAIN
THE WALL.
ASHLEY: THEY ARE NOT ACTIONS IN
GOOD FAITH.
>> XI JINPING FOR VARIOUS
REASONS, CANNOT COME TO TERMS
WITH THE UNITED STATES CANNOT
DEAL WITH US IN GOOD FAITH.
SO, THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE FOR US
TO IMPOSE COSTS ON CHINA SO
GREAT, AT SOME POINT XI JINPING
HAS TO BACK DOWN.
ASHLEY: WHAT IS THAT POINT?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
ASHLEY: THEY ARE GOOD FOR
PLAYING THE LONG GAME, THEY WILL
FIGURE PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL NOT
BE PRESIDENT IN 6 YEAR'S TIME,
THEY WILL WAIT IT OUT UNTIL A
NEW LEADER COMES IN THAT MAYBE
WILL NOT PUT AS MUCH PRESSURE ON
THEM.
>> I THINK IN WASHINGTON, YOU
SEE IT IN U.S., THERE IS REAL
CONCERN ABOUT CHINA.
SO, EVEN IF PRESIDENT TRUMP WERE
NOT THERE, I THINK THAT THIS
WOULD BE CONTINUED BY HIS
PREDECESSOR.
IMPORTANT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THIS ISSUE IS, WHEN WILL XI
JINPING BACK DOWN?
THAT SAY TRUMP ISSUE, THAT IS A
QUESTION HOW MUCH POLITICAL
PRESSURE PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL
PUT ON THE CHINESE ECONOMY WITH
TARIFFS OR OTHER THINGS.
ASHLEY: IS HE DOING ENOUGH IN
YOUR MIND?
>> DOING WHAT IS NECESSARY AND
POLITICALLY ACCEPTABLE.
BUT CLEARLY CHINESE, XI JINPING
DOES NOT' TO BACK DOWN, HE KNOWS
IF HE BACKS DOWN HE WILL LOSE
NOT ONLY POWER BY HE COULD LOSE
MORE.
HE IS ALL IN, THIS IS A
STRUGGLE.
ASHLEY: YOU SAID, NOT JUST THE
UNITED STATES, BUT THE GLOBAL
COMMUNITY, LOSING PATIENCE WITH
CHINA.
INTERESTING BEIJING, I READ
HERE, TRYING WITHOUT SUCCESS TO
RECRUIT FRANCE, GERMANY, JAPAN
AND OTHER GOVERNMENTS AS ALLIES
AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP, SAYING
NO WAY, THEY AGREE WITH THE
UNITED STATES.
CONTENTION THAT CHINA IS
SHEETING STEAL -- CHEATING AND
STEALS TO BOOST ITS OWN ECONOMY.
>> SURE, THE PAST YEAR, POLICY
ON PART OF BEIJING TO DIVIDE
BRUSSELS FROM WASHINGTON WORKED,
IT NOT WORKING THIS YEAR, THEY
SEE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS PROVIDING
LEADERSHIP, EVERYONE WANTED TO
DO SOMETHING, BUT NOBODY DID
UNTIL THIS YEAR, TRUMP SAID HE
BROKE WILL
BROKE TILL
BROKE THEL
BROKE THE DAM, IN THE WORLD
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE
TO TAKE A TOUGHER APPROACH ON
CHINA, NO ONE'S TO TAKE A
TOUGHER APPROACH BUT CHINESE
LEAVING EVERYONE NO CHOICE BUT
TO DO THAT.
ASHLEY: WE KNOW THAT CHINA'S
ECONOMY IS SLOWING DOWN, IS THAT
A PRODUCT OF SANCTIONS, U.S.
PUTTING IN PLACE AND PRESSURE?
OR IS IT MORE A CASE OF OTHERS
HAVE ARGUED THAT CHINESE
GOVERNMENT TRYING TO TACKLE ITS
MASSIVE AIM OF DEBT.
>> IT IS MORE JUST THE INTERNAL
FACTORS IN CHINA, INCLUDES DEBT.
WHETHER YOU HAVE PRESIDENT
TRUMP, START TO IMPOSE THE
TARIFFS, IT CONTRIBUTING TO
CHINESE'S ECONOMIC WOES, THAT IS
GETTING SOME PEOPLE IN CHINA,
NOT XI JINPING, BUT SOME, WANT
TO DO THE REAL
TO DO THE RIGL
TO DO THE RIGHT THING, A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE EMBARRASSED BY
CHINA'S THEFT INSIDE OF CHINA.
ASHLEY:
>> OF COURSE, THEY KNOW BECAUSE
THEY PARTICIPATE IN IT.
THIS IS A CONFUSION IDEA A HAVE
TO BE HONEST AND UP RIGHT, AND
EVERYONE KNOWS THEY ARE NOT,
HAVE YOU A NUMBER OF SENIOR
FORMER OFFICIALS IN LAST WEEK,
HAVE COME OUT, AND CRITICIZED XI
JINPING FOR HIS POLICIES FOR
THIS, AND OTHER REASONS, THEY
DON'T LIKE IT.
ASHLEY: I READ AUSTRALIA YARCH A
ASHLEY: I READ AUSTRALIA YARCH S
ASHLEY: I READ AUSTRALIA YARCH R
ASHLEY: I READ AUSTRALIA YARCH L
ASHLEY: I READ AUSTRALIA YARCH A
ASHLEY: I READ AUSTRALIA YARCH N
ASHLEY: I READ AUSTRALIA YARCH B
ASHLEY: I READ AUSTRALIA YARCH N
ASHLEY: I READ AUSTRALIA YARCH ,
SAYING THIS WILL GO UNTIL 2020
IT IS MORE THAN JUST A TRADE
WAR, IT IS GREATER.
WOULD YOU AGREE?
>> ABSOLUTELY, YOU SEE CHINESE
BEHAVIOR ACROSS THE BOARD.
ASHLEY: MILITARILY AGGRESSIVE.
>> IN SOUTH CHINA SEA AND EAST
CHINA SEA AS WELL, CHINA IS
GOING IN ALL WRONG DIRECTION.
XI JINPING BELIEVES IN MALICE
POLITICAL CONTROL, YOU HAVE A
CRIME AGAINST HUMANITARIAN IN
WHAT CHINESE CALL SINCE JOHN.
I DID DETENTION AND ELIMINATE
RELIGION ISLAM, THE WORLD HAS
NOT PAID ATTENTION, THESE ARE
CONCENTRATION CAMPS.
YOU KNOW, CHINA IS JUST ACROSS
THE BOARD.
ASHLEY: NOT CHANGING OVERNIGHT.
BUT -- IT TAKES SOMEONE LIKE A
PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO IS
UNCONVENTIONAL AND DOES NOT HAVE
A FILTER IT BAMBOOZLES THE
CHINESE.
>> THEY ARE RATTLED, THEY ARE
USED TO --
>> CAMPAIGN.
>> GO TO WHITE HOUSE, LISTEN TO
HENRY KISS EN
HENRY KISSIEN
HENRY KISSINGER AND BE NICE TO
CHINESE THIS PRESIDENT TRIED TO
COME TO TERMS WITH XI JINPING HE
PUSHED TO FAR, TRUMP BRINGS DOWN
HAMMER THAT OF THE RIGHT
APPROACH, PEOPLE ARE FOLLOWING
IN OUR WAKE, THEY ARE UPSET.
ASHLEY: WE'LL SEE WHERE IT LEADS
TO.