>>> WELCOME BACK TO "MORNING
JOE."
IT’S 52 PAST THE HOUR.
THE CEOs OF TWO SOCIAL MEDIA
GIANTS, JACK DORSEY AND MARK
ZUCKERBERG YESTERDAY TESTIFIED
BEFORE CONGRESS HOW THEY
MODERATE THE CONTENT ON THEIR
PLATFORMS.
REPUBLICAN SENATORS SUCH AS TED
CRUZ OF TEXAS SPENT THE BULK OF
THEIR QUESTIONING DRILLING DOWN
ON THE ALLEGED CENSORSHIP OF
CONSERVATIVE YOUTHS, WHILE
DEMOCRATS FOCUSED ON THE
PREVENTION OF HATE SPEECH.
BOTH PARTIES AGREED THAT THE
PLATFORMS HAVE BEEN INCONSISTENT
IN HOW THEY MONITOR THEIR
CONTENT AND DECIDE ON WHAT IS
EXCLUDED WHEN.
JOINING US NOW, JIM STEYR,
FOUNDER AND CEO OF COMMON SENSE
MEDIA, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION
DEDICATED TO IMPROVING THE LIVES
OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IN THE
DIGITAL AGE.
ALSO HE’S THE EDITOR OF THE NEW
ANTHOLOGY TITLED "WHICH SIDE OF
HISTORY
HISTORY: HOW TECHNOLOGY IS
RESHAPING DEMOCRACY AND OUR
LIVES" AND CO-AUTHOR OF ONE OF
THE ESSAYS IN THE BOOK.
START THERE.
SHALL WE?
I OFTEN TAKE A LOOK AT THE
DISINFORMATION AND TRY AND UND
UNDERSTAND WHY HAVE VOTERS
DURING THIS ELECTION SEASON ARE
EMBRACING DISINFORMATION AND
ALWAYS COME BACK TO FACEBOOK,
DISAPPEARING ADS, INFORMATION
OUT THERE OUT OF CONTEXT AND I
WORRY IT’S HAD NOT JUST A
DRAMATIC IMPACT ON OUR
DEMOCRACY, BUT, PERHAPS, A
PREVAILING IMPACT.
WOULD THAT BE OVER-SAYING IT?
>> NO.
I THINK YOU’RE EXACTLY RIGHT,
MIKA.
I MEAN, IT’S INCREDIBLE TO SEE
THE IMPACT THAT TECHNOLOGY
PLATFORMS, BUT PARTICULARLY
FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM, HAVE HAD
ON OUR DEMOCRACY AND DEMOCRATIC
NORMS AND INSTITUTIONS AND
PRETTY AMAZING’S WE ARE AT A
TRANSFORMATIONAL MOMENT AS A
COUNTRY I THINK IN WHETHER OR
NOT WE HOLD COMPANIES LIKE
FACEBOOK ACCOUNTABLE.
IT’S ONE OF THE MAJOR ISSUES
FACING THE INCOMING
ADMINISTRATION.
WILL THEY HAVE A TECH AGENDA
THAT HOLDS TECH COMPANIES
ACCOUNTABLE FOR THINGS LIKE
MISINFORMATION AND HATE SPEECH
ON THEIR PLATFORM?
AND I THINK YOU’RE GOING TO SEE
A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DO THAT
AND AN INCREDIBLY GOOD STEP
FORWARD.
>> TALK A LOT ABOUT SECTION 230.
THIS IS WILLIE GEIST.
YOU WOULD LIKE IT REPEALED AND
SHARE THAT WITH THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES.
SHORTHAND, TAKE A STEP BACK.
WHAT IS IT SECTION 230, WHY IS
IT SIG KEPTNIFICANT PART AND WHY
RID OF IT.
>> ESSENTIALLY A GET OUT OF JAIL
FREE CARD FOR FACEBOOK AND OTHER
SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS GIVING
THEM BLANKET, ESSENTIALLY,
BLANKET IMMUNITYIABILITY FROM
ANYTHING ON THEIR PLATFORM.
HAS TO BE CHANGED FROM A KIDS
AND FAMILY STANDPOINT OR A
MISINFORMATION, DISINFORMATION
DEMOCRACY STANDPOINT.
THAT HAS HOTO BE ON THE TABLE.
YOU SAW IN THE HEARS YESTERDAY
CONGRESSPEEPLE ON PEOPLE ON BOTH
THE AISLE WHAT TO RE-ISSUE THIS.
FACEBOOK AND TWITTER THE BIGGEST
PROBLEM SO FAR.
>> HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT POLICING
FACEBOOK WITH A COUPLE BILLION
USERS.
A GAME OF WHACK-A-MOLE, DEFINED
HATE SPEECH, WHAT IS IT?
WHERE DO YOU BEGIN TO TACKLE
THIS PROBLEM JUST WITH FACEBOOK
ALONE?
>> NUMBER ONE, REWRITE THE
REGULATIONS.
FIRST TIME CONGRESS HAD TO STEP
UP FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MORE
THAN 20 YEARS AND PASS
LEGISLATION THAT REGULATES THAT.
SECOND, WE’VE SHAMED THEM.
WE HAVE A MOVEMENT, STOP HATE
FOR PROFIT.
BASICALLY, IT LED TO AN
ADVERTISING BOYCOTT OVER 1,000
ADVERTISERS AND A LOT OF PUBLIC
SHAMING OF THE COMPANY FOR THE
FACT THEY WERE OPENLY IMPACTING
THE ELECTION BY PROVIDING
DISINFORMATION TO TENS OF
MILLIONS OF VOTERS.
I THINK IT’S BOTH LEGISLATION,
PUBLIC SHAMING AND HOLDING THE
LEADERS OF THE COMPANIES
ACCOUNTABLE.
ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE.
SECOND, I THINK YOU’LL SEE
ANTITRUST CASES AGAINST FACEBOOK
FROM STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL IN
THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION IN
THE COMING WEEKS AND THAT WILL
ALSO HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON THEM.
WE NEED A FULL-COURT PRESS ON
THE TECH INDUSTRY TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE
OF HISTORY.
RIGHT NOW MARK ZUCKERBERG AND
FACEBOOK ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE
OF HISTORY AND WE’RE PAYING THE
PRICE FOR THAT.
>> MIKE BARNICLE IS HERE WITH A
QUESTION.
>> HI, MIKE.
>> YOU MENTIONED CORRECTLY THE
IMPACT FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM
HAVE ON OUR CULTURE, WORLD,
VOTING PROCESSES AND JUST
MENTIONED YOU ARE PART OF AN
EFFORT THAT HAS TRIED TO SHAME
FACEBOOK FOR WHAT IT HAS NOT
DONE.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS --
WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN AT THE END
OF THE DAY MARK ZUCKERBERG,
FACEBOOK, SHERYL SAMBERG, HELPS
RUN THE ORGANIZATION WITH
ZUCKERBERG, WHAT IF HE SIMPLY DO
NOT CARE WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT