"LANDSLIDE."
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH NORFOR
JOINING ME.
FIRST OFF, HOW DID YOU DO THIS?
IT IS ALWAYS MY SORT OF
POLITICAL SCIENCE PERSPECTIVE
THAT THE MORE TIME PEOPLE ARE
LEAKING BECAUSE THEY ARE
ANTICIPATING A LOSS AND THEY
WANT TO COVER THEIR OWN REARS
END IN HISTORYS MIND.
HOW DO YOU GET ACCESS TO THE
WHITE HOUSE IN THESE FINAL DAYS?
>> WHAT I HAD ACCOMPLISHED HERE
WITH A FRIEND AND I SAID, WELL,
YOU HAD A LOT OF PRACTICE.
THIS IS THE THIRD BOOK THAT I
HAVE DONE AND IT REALLY IS AN
ACCUMULATION OF KNOWLEDGE AND
EXPERIENCE ABOUT THIS WHITE
HOUSE, TALKING TO THE PEOPLE
AROUND AND THE WAVES OF PEOPLE,
THE PEOPLE IN THE BEGINNING WERE
CERTAINLY NOT THE PEOPLE THERE
AT THE END.
MOST PEOPLE ONLY IN A MATTER OF
MONTHS.
I HAD THIS KIND OF CONSTANT
CONVERSATION WITH THE PEOPLE
AROUND THE PRESIDENT WHICH IS IN
ITSELF WEIRD, WHY WOULD THEY BE
TALKING TO ME?
AND THE REAL ANSWER TO THAT IS
THAT EVERYONE WHO HAS HAD THE
TRUMP EXPERIENCE OF BEING CLOSE
TO THIS MAN HAS TOO TALK ABOUT
IT.
IT IS SO WEIRD, IT IS SO UNUSUAL
AND IT IS SO FRIGHTEN THAT
PEOPLE WANT TO TALK AND THEY WANT TO DESCRIBE IT.
WANT TO DESCRIBE IT.
>> I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE TRI
TRILOLOGY, YOUR BOOK PROVIDES
ONE OF THE BEST IMAGES OF THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION NOT JUST
BECAUSE OF THE CRAZY STORY YOU
TOLD BUT BECAUSE THEY ALL COME
FROM PEOPLE TALKING FROM THEIR
EXPERIENCES.
I IMAGINE PART OF YOUR WRITEING
WAS PEOPLE SITTING ON THE
COUCHES.
IN THE FINAL DAYS HEADING
TOWARDS THE END OF THE CAMPAIGN,
WAS THERE A REALIZATION THAT
DONALD TRUMP WAS LIKELY TO LOSE
OR DID THEY THINK THAT BY COVID
AND JAMMING UP THE MAIL SYSTEM
AND ALL SORTS OF PRESSURE AND
INTIMIDATION, WAS THERE ANYBODY
IN THE WHITE HOUSE STILL BELIEVE
HE WAS GOING TO PULL THIS OFF HEADING INTO NOVEMBER?
HEADING INTO NOVEMBER?
>> EVERYBODY FELT THAT THIS WAS
ONE OF THE MOST DISASTEROUS EVER
RAN BY A SITTING PRESIDENT.
THEY RAN INTO LAST WEEK OF THE
CAMPAIGN BEING OUT-SPENT 3-1 BY
THEIR OPPONENT, THAT HAS NEVER
HAPPENED.
HAVING SAID THAT, EVERYBODY
AROUND DONALD TRUMP STILL FEELS
THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN
EXPLICABLE ABOUT THE GUY.
HOW DID HE WIN THE FIRST TIME?
HOW HAS HE SURVIVED SO LONG
THROUGH CATASTROPHE AFTER
CATASTROPHE.
DONALD TRUMP IS STILL STANDING.
SO THEY GO INTO NOVEMBER 3rd,
THINKING, YEAH, MAYBE WHO KNOWS?
AND REMEMBER HOW CLOSE HE GOT
TOTTO
WINNING.
>> SO LOOKING AT THIS AND WE ARE
NOW PAST THE TRUMP ERA IN A WAY.
HES NOT OFFICIALLY IN OFFICE.
BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED
FROM THIS BOOK AND YOUR PREVIOUS
BOOK.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FUTURE OF
TRUP
TRUMP AND HIS FAMILY.
WHAT IS IT GONG TO BE?
DO YOU THINK HES GOING TO MAKE
A SERIOUS RUN AT 2024.
DOES HE WANT TO BE A POWER
BROKER DOING FORWARD?
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FUTURE
HOLDS AFTER WRITING THIS BOOK?
>> THATS THE TRUMPS FALLACY.
THE FALLACY IS TO THINK HE HAS A
PLAN THAT THERE IS SOME
LONG-TERM STRATEGY HERE.
THERE IS NOT.
WHATEVER HAPPENS WILL HAPPEN IN THE MOMENT AND HELL BE AT RALLY
THE MOMENT AND HELL BE AT RALLY
TWO YEARS FROM NOW AND HELL
SENSE THE CROWD AND HE CAN GET A
RESPONSE OF THE CROWD THAT HES
RUNNING
RUNNING.
HES AS LIKELY TO REVERSE HIS
DECISION.
AGAIN, IT IS ALL IN THE MOMENT.
IT IS ALL -- UM, HE CONTAINS ALL
OF REALITY FOR -- THERE IS
REALLY ALMOST NO OUTSIDE
STIMULUS HERE.
IT IS JUST --