DECISIVE
DECISIVE VOTES? >>> WHY ARE DEBT COLLECTORS
HOUNDING ARIZONA INMATES TO PAY
MEDICAL BILLS OUT OF THEIR OWN
POCKETS AND HOW ARIZONA COULD
SUFFER A DOUBLE WHAMMY FROM THE
TRADE WAR WITH CHINA.
WE ARE STARTING WITH THE
POLITICS OF ABORTION AND A
COUNTRY DIVIDED, RED VERSUS
BLUE BY THE 46-YEAR-OLD ROE
VERSUS WADE DECISION.
ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE
THERE ARE TRIGGER LAWS THAT
WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BAN
ABORTION IF ROE VERSUS WADE
WERE OVERTURNED, NINE OTHER
STATES INCLUDING ARIZONA STILL
HAVE PRE-ABORTION BANS ON THE
BOOKS THAT ARE NOT ENFORCED BUT
COULD BE IF IT WAS KNOCKED
DOWN, ON THE PRO-CHOICE SIDE 10
STATES HAVE ENACTED LAWS TO
PROTECT THE RIGHTS IF IT WERE
OVERTURNED INCLUDING ARIZONA
NEIGHBORS CALIFORNIA NEVADA AND
THE MAP IS CHANGING DAILY.
MORE LAWS ANTIABORTION AND PRO-
CHOICE ARE BEING PUSHED THROUGH
LEGISLATURES.
LEGISLATURES. JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
COMES NEXT, ONCE AGAIN WE TURN
TO OUR ATTORNEY FROM STATECRAFT
IN PHOENIX WHO HAS REPRESENTED
REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES AND OUR
LAWYER IN PRIVATE PRACTICE FROM
CHANDLER ACTIVE ON THE
DEMOCRATIC SIDE.
DEMOCRATIC SIDE. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
LET'S START WITH ARIZONA,
TALKING ABOUT STATE LAWS
ARIZONA HAS THE INACTIVE LAW ON
THE BOOKS BANNING ABORTION IN
ADDITION TO A DOZEN LAWS
LIMITING ABORTION RIGHTS.
TOM, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR
ARIZONA LAW TO BECOME ACTIVE?
>> TWO SETS OF ARIZONA LAWS,
ONE IS UNDER TITLE 32 WITH WOOD
CONTROL AND REGULATE DOCTORS
AND NURSES THAT PROVIDE ACCESS
TO ABORTION BUT THE ONES THAT
MATTER ARE UNDER TITLE 13 THE
CRIMINAL CODE AND THEY ARE
ZOMBIE LAWS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF
ROE V. WADE BUT THEY
CRIMINALIZE THE ACT OF
ABORTION OR ADVERTISING.
IF ROE V. WADE IS OVERTURNED
BY THE SUPREME COURT TITLE 13
THE CRIMINAL CODE COMES BACK TO
LIFE.
LIFE.
LIFE. >>
LIFE. >> IS IT THAT SIMPLE WITH THE
ABORTION BAN TO COME BACK IT
WOULD COME INTO EFFECT AND THE
COUNTY ATTORNEY COULD BEGIN
PROSECUTING DOCTORS WHO PERFORM
ABORTIONS?
ABORTIONS? >> THEY COULD BEGIN
PROSECUTIONS BUT THEY WOULD
CARRY THOSE OUT BEFORE JURORS
AND JUDGES WITH ATTORNEYS WHO
HAVE GROWN UP AND COME OF AGE
IN A POST ROE WORLD, THE WAY
THE SYSTEM WOULD LOOK AT IT
WOULD BE DIFFERENT .
>> SO YOU THINK GIVEN THAT,
THAT COULD RESTRAIN PROSECUTORS?
>> YEARS AGO THERE WERE
INSTANCES OF PEOPLE BEING
PROSECUTED FOR BIRTH CONTROL.
I CANNOT IMAGINE IF THIS WERE
OVERTURNED YOU WOULD FIND THE
PROSECUTORS AND JUDGES AND
JURORS INTERESTED IN THAT.
>> THE ELEVATION TO THE SUPREME
COURT 11 MONTHS AGO STARTED
THIS CAMPAIGN EAT STAMPEDE TO
THE STATES.
THE STATES. WHAT YOU EXPECT THE COURT TO DO
NOW?
NOW?
NOW? COULD IT JUST TAKE UP THE
ALABAMA BAN OR ARE THERE OTHERS?
>> THIS WILL BE REALLY ANTI-
CLIMATIC.
CLIMATIC.
CLIMATIC. THE NEW LAWS WILL BE CHALLENGED
AND INVALIDATED IN THE TRIAL
COURTS AND THE COURT OF APPEALS
EVEN WITH REPUBLICAN JUDGES
BECAUSE THE CONTROLLING SUPREME
COURT PRECEDENT SAYS THEY ARE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
UNCONSTITUTIONAL. STATES WILL LAST TO GO TO THE
SUPREME COURT TO GET THE LAWS
UPHELD AND THE SUPREME COURT
WILL DECLINE.
WILL DECLINE. THE BIG REASON IS THAT IT TAKES
FIVE VOTES TO WIN BUT ONLY FOUR
TO GRANT REVIEW OF THE CASE AND
YOU WILL NOT SEE THE
CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES VOTING TO
TAKE THE REVIEW UNLESS THEY
KNOW THEY HAVE A FIFTH JUSTICE
ON BOARD TO REVERSE.
NO ONE WILL HAVE THAT LEVEL OF
CONFIDENCE.
CONFIDENCE. THEY WILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE
PERSON.
PERSON.
PERSON. >> DO YOU AGREE THE ALABAMA LAW
IS UNLIKELY TO BE THE ONE THAT
COMES FIRST?
COMES FIRST? >> IT MAY NOT BE THE ONE THAT
COMES FIRST BUT I DO SEE ROE V.
WADE AT RISK.
THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT IN THE
UNITED STATES IS PACKED WITH
REPUBLICANS AS YOU ARE
APPOINTING JUDGES TO THE
SUPREME COURT WITH THE
COMMITMENT OF OVERTURNING ROE
V. WADE.
V. WADE.
V. WADE. THERE ARE FIVE SUPREME COURT
JUSTICES APPOINTED BY
REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS, ALL
ROMAN CATHOLICS WHO OPPOSE
ABORTION.
ABORTION.
ABORTION. I WILL SEE THEM TAKING ON THE
ALABAMA CASE, I SEE THAT THEY
MAY SET ASIDE OR OVERRULED THE
OBJECTIONS FOR INCEST AND
SAFETY OF THE LIFE OF THE
MOTHER.
MOTHER.
MOTHER. OTHERWISE OVERTURNING ROE V.
WADE.
WADE.
WADE. >>
WADE. >> SO THE COURT COULD TAKE UP
ALABAMA AND LEAVE IT AS
AFFIRMING RIGHT TO ABORTION
ONLY IN THOSE CASES?
>> THAT'S WHAT I SEE HAPPENING.
>> YOU OVERESTIMATE THE
COMMITMENT THE JUSTICES HAVE
MADE.
MADE.
MADE. WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE WHITE
HOUSE INTERVIEWS AND SENATE
CONFIRMATIONS THEY ARE NOT
ASKED ABOUT ABORTION
INTENTIONALLY.
INTENTIONALLY. THEY KNOW DURING THE SENATE
CONFIRMATION PROCESS DIANNE
FEINSTEIN WILL SAY WHAT DID YOU
PROMISE THE WHITE HOUSE ON ROE
AND THEY WANT TO SAY I WAS
NEVER ASKED AND I HAVE NEVER
SAID ANYTHING.
SAID ANYTHING. THAT IS HOW IT HAS ALWAYS GONE
DOWN.
DOWN.
DOWN. >>
DOWN. >> THIS IS WHAT I THINK WILL
HAPPEN, FIRST OFF THERE IS A
VERY UNDERRATED OPINION THAT
CAME OUT THIS WEEK ON THE
CALIFORNIA BOARD OF
EQUALIZATION OF TAX VERSUS
NEVADA.
NEVADA.
NEVADA. WHY IS THAT RELEVANT TO THE
WHOLE ROE V. WADE DISCUSSION WE
ARE HAVING NOW?
BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY GO TO
THE CONCEPT OF STARTING AND IT
DOES NOT JUST SAY WE REMOVE PAST
PRECEDENTS LIKE ROE V. WADE.
THE DISSENTING JUSTICE IN THAT
WAS STEPHEN BREYER'S WHO SAID
BASICALLY ROE V. WADE IS ON THE
BLOCKS.
BLOCKS.
BLOCKS. >> ARE THERE 100 OR MORE
INCREMENTAL ANTIABORTION LAWS
THAT COULD COME BEFORE THE
COURT FIRST?
COURT FIRST? >> IT IS FAR MORE LIKELY TO
GRANT REVIEW OF A MODEST
ANTIABORTION LAW OR PRO-LIFE
LAW BUT TO TAKE ON ALABAMA IT
IS TOO FAR.
>> PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION NEXT
YEAR, A SENATE ELECTION IN
ARIZONA NEXT YEAR.
HOW WELL ABORTION POLITICS PLAY
OUT IN BOTH RACES?
>> IT WILL BE THE NUMBER ONE
ISSUE IN ARIZONA AND THERE IS
NO MIDDLE GROUND.
BOTH THE PRO-CHOICE AND PRO-
LIFE MOVEMENT ARE LOOKING FOR
ABSOLUTE COMMITMENT.
ABSOLUTE COMMITMENT. THE IDEA TO GET UP AND NUANCE
THE ISSUE AND RUN FOR PUBLIC
OFFICE IS NOT LIKELY.
YOU'RE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST IS
WHAT THE ENTITIES WILL BE
DEMANDING.
DEMANDING. >> I THINK IMMIGRATION WILL BE
A BIGGER ISSUE.
>> IMMIGRATION?
>> IMMIGRATION? >> IN ARIZONA I STILL BELIEVE
WITH THE SUPREME COURT AND ALL
OF THIS GOING ON I BELIEVE
ABORTION BECOMES NUMBER ONE.
>> DO YOU THINK THE COURT WILL
PUNT ON ABORTION AND WAIT UNTIL
2021?
2021?
2021? >>
2021? >> FUNDAMENTALLY OUR LEANING
CONSERVATIVE ON ABORTION I
DON'T THINK THAT WILL CHANGE
BETWEEN 2020 AND 2021.
>> OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US.
JOINING US. WHEN WE COME BACK ATTORNEY
GENERAL DOING SOME KUNG FU
FIGHTING ON OUR SUNDAY MORNING
MEME.
MEME.
MEME. >>>
MEME. >>> WHY ARE DEBT COLLECTORS
HOUNDING INMATES TO PAY
MEDICAL BILLS?
MEDICAL BILLS? STRIKE FIRST, SPENDING ON
EDUCATION AND WHAT MANY CALL AN
UNFAIR TAX ON DRIVERS.
STICKING POINTS ON THE STATE
BUDGET, WE WILL