NOW JOINING ME IS SOMEONE THAT RAN THE BORDER IN A PREVIOUS
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. HE IS JEH JOHNSON, SECRETARY
JOHNSON, WELCOME BACK.
>> YOU USED TO BE A
NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE A NICE
FENCE BETWEEN US AT THE BUREAU
AND THE HOMELAND SECURITY --
>> THE PARKING LOT AT HOMELAND
SECURITY IS EMPTY.
IT IS CLOSED FOR BUSINESS.
>> ALL RIGHT, YOU HAVE BEEN
THROUGH SHUT DOWNS, YOU HAVE
BEEN THROUGH FIGHTS ABOUT IT,
YOU’RE AN OBSERVER AND WHAT DO
YOU SAY.
YOU SAY. >> AS A CONCERNED MEMBER OF THE
PUBLIC, WHAT I SEE IS AN
EMERGING SECURITY CRISIS.
WE’RE TAKING THE PEOPLE THAT WE
DEPEND ON.
DEPEND ON. THOSE THAT SCREEN FOR
EXPLOSIVES, GUNS, LUGGAGE, OUR
COAST GUARD, THOSE ON THE HIGH
SEAS, THEY ARE INTRODUCING INTO
THEIR PERSONAL LIVES STRESS,
ANXIETY, AND ANGER BECAUSE THIS
PAY PERIOD, THIS WEEK, WILL BE
MISSED.
MISSED. AND I KNOW THIS WORKFORCE.
THEIR FAMILIES ARE WORRIED ABOUT
WHEN AND IF THEY WILL BE PAID IN
THE FUTURE.
THE FUTURE. IT’S NOT THE WORK FORCE YOU WANT
TO MESS AROUND WITH.
THE ANXIETY THEY FEEL NOW WILL
ONLY GET WORSE.
WE HEAR REPORTS ABOUT TSA
OFFICERS STAYING HOME, PHONING
IT IT IN, AND THAT WILL GET
WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER AS
LONG AS WE’RE TELLING THESE
PEOPLE THAT YOU MUST WORK BUT
WE’RE NOT GOING TO PAY YOU.
>> LET’S GO DOWN TO THE BORDER.
IN 2014 DURING THAT FIRST INFLUX
THAT WE HAD THAT I GUESS WE
DIDN’T CALL CARAVANS, BUT WE
KNEW WE WERE GETTING MORE MAN
WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ASKED
FOR, SHOULD THE DEMOCRATS AGREE
TO THE MONEY BUT NOT FOR THE
WALL.
WALL. >> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS FOR.
IN 2014, ILLEGAL MIGRATION ON
OUR SOUTHERN BORDER IS A
FRACTUREFRAC
FRACTUREFRAC FRACTION OF WHAT IT USED TO BE.
IT WAS 12.6 MILLION A PREHAENGS
APPREHENSIONS.
APPREHENSIONS. THE MEXICAN ECONOMY HAS
IMPROVED.
IMPROVED. IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS,
THROUGH CLINTON, BUSH, OBAMA,
MULTIPLE ADMINISTRATIONS, IT IS
A FRACTION OF WHAT IT USED TO BE
BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENTS, THE
SMART INVESTMENTS THAT WE HAVE
MADE IN BORDER SECURITY AND
BECAUSE OF THE IMPROVING ECONOMY
IN MEXICO.
IN MEXICO. BUT THE DEMOGRAPHIC HAS CHANGED.
INSTEAD OF SINGLE ADULTS FROM
MEXICO IT IS WOMEN, CHILDREN,
AND FAMILIES COMING FROM CENTRAL
AMERICA.
AMERICA. >> IT SEEMS LIKE THE TOOLS YOU
HAD ARE OBSOLETE FOR THINGS LIKE
DEALING WITH FAMILY ASYLUM
ISSUES.
ISSUES. THEY’RE GAMING THE SYSTEM A
LITTLE, ARE THEY NOT?
>> I THINK THAT IS FAIR.
MIGRANTS AND THE MUGGLERS THEY
PAY UNDERSTAND OUR ENFORCEMENT
POLICIES AND THEY UNDERSTAND
WAYS AROUND OUR ENFORCEMENT
POLICIES.
POLICIES. VERY CLEARLY.
VERY CLEARLY. BUT SIMPLY BUILDING A WALL FOR
THE SAKE OF BUILDING A WALL IS
NOT THE ANSWER.
YOU ASK BORDER SOCIAL SECURITY
EXPERT
EXPERT -- BORDER SECURITY EXPERTS,
THEY WILL TELL YOU MOREPLANES,
LIGHTS, PERHAPS MORE BORDER
PATROL AGENTS, AND PERHAPS FENCE
OR WALL IN PLACES WHERE WE NEED
TO FORTIFY IT ALONG THE SOUTHERN
BORDER.
BORDER. WE HAVE A WALL BUILT PURSUANT TO
THE SECURE FENCE ACT OF 2006.
>> THIS IS MY FRUSTRATION HERE,
THE WAY YOU JUST DESCRIBED IT
AND THE WAY I KNOW OF -- WE’RE
NOT FAR AWAY HERE.
IT FEELS LIKE WE’RE IN A
SYMBOLIC MOMENT.
SYMBOLIC MOMENT. AT WHAT POINT, YOU’RE DEALING
WITH -- HE IS TAKING HOSTAGES.
YOU MAY, AT SOME POINT, DO
DEMOCRATS HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE
HOSTAGE TAKER?
HOSTAGE TAKER? >> I WOULD NOT PUT IT LIKE THAT.
>> I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON’T
WANT TO DEAL WITH HIM NOW.
>> AS THE FORMER SECRETARY OF
HOMELAND SECURITY, FAMILIAR WITH
WHAT IS REQUIRED ON OUR BORDER
AND FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THE
THINGS ON OUR BORDER, AND A
LAWYER THAT NEGOTIATED ALL KINDS
OF COMPLICATED DEALS.
I SAY TO MYSELF IF WE COULD JUST
EXTRACT AUTOOF THIS ALL OF THE
EMOTION AND THE POLITICS, TWO
GOOD LAWYERS, WHO ARE GOOD WORD
SMITHS, COULD FICTION THIS IN 45
MINUTES.
MINUTES. THERE IS FENS,CE, WALL, CONCRETE
WALL, WHEN DOES SOMETHING BECOME
A FENCE VERSUS A WALL?
AND I TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF
COMFORT FROM WHAT THE PRESIDENT
SAID LAST NIGHT BECAUSE HE USED
THE PHRASE BORDER SECURITY MORE
THAN HE DID WALL.
SIGNALING PERHAPS, OR AT LEAST
THOSE THAT WROTE THE DOCUMENT
FOR HIM, THERE MIGHT BE
COMPROMISE OUT THERE UNDER THE
GENERAL RUBRIC OF SECURITY.
>> DO YOU WORRY SOME DEMOCRATS
ARE SO CAUGHT UP IN TRYING TO
DENY HIM THE WALL THAT A FENCE
IS TOO MUCH LIKE A WALL.
>> I WORRY THAT THE PEOPLE THAT
WE’RE DEPENDING ON TO PROTECT
US, THAT IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE
ROOM.
ROOM. >> THERE IS ONE OTHER THING THAT
COULD TAKE A WHOLE OTHER SEGMENT
TO GO DOWN.
THE CENTRAL PROBLEM IS IN
CENTRAL AMERICA.
CENTRAL AMERICA. WHAT CAN THE UNITED STATES --
THOSE GUYS HAVE TO DEAL WITH
THEIR ISSUES, AND THIS IS
SUDDENLY A PROBLEM FOR US.
WHAT SHALL WE DO TO HELP THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THERE ARE ALWAYS THINGS THAT
WE CAN DO TO SECURE OUR OWN
BORDER.
BORDER. AN FY 16 WE STARTED DOWN THE
ROAD OF MAKING INVESTMENTS IN IN
CENTRAL AMERICA TO DEAL WITH THE
VIOLENCE.
VIOLENCE. THE CONGRESS SINCE THEN HAS BEEN
DOING THE SAME, BUT IT IS GOING
IN THE WRONG DIRECTION SDPLP
THERE IS A LOT OF DISINSTRUCTION
FOR SOME OF THOSE LEADERS,
RIGHT?
RIGHT? >> CLEARLY AND THERE IS WAYS TO
DO THIS WITH STRINGS ATTACHED,
THE LIMITED MONEY THAT WE
INVESTED SO FAR IS MAERKING A
BIT OF A DIFFERENCE, BUT THE
SMUGGLERS AN THE WORD IN CENTRAL
AMERICA RIGHT NOW IS MAKE A RUN
FOR IT.
FOR IT. WHAT WE’RE DO RIGHT NOW IT
PLANELY NOT WORKING.
THERE IS WAYS TO DEAL WITH IT.
>> LET’S HOPE THAT SOME PEOPLE
IN THE MOMENT CAN STEP BACK AND