MAJOR WAR CRIMES.
SO TO ME, THIS IS NOT IMPORTANT.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE
IS HE IS DOING EVERYTHING
POSSIBLE TO ATTACK CIVILIANS,
HOPING TO BREAK THE SPIRIT OF
THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.
AND THE REASON THIS IS A MAJOR
CRIME IS BECAUSE EVEN UNDER WAR,
YES, THERE ARE THINGS HE COULD
IN THEORY DO.
HE COULD GO KILL MOTHERS AND
CHILDREN HOPING AT SOME POINT
ANOTHER GOVERNMENT WILL G SAY,
LOOK, I CANNOT TOLERATE ANY MORE
OF THESE DEATHS.
I WILL GIVE UP.
INTERNATIONAL LAW SAYS BECAUSE
THAT DANGER OF THAT VIOLENCE IS
THERE, YOU CAN'T DO IT.
SO PUTIN IS COMMITTING CRIMES.
HE IS, AS WE SPEAK, INVADING A
COUNTRY BY VIOLATING
INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT HE SIMPLY
DOESN'T WANT ON THE MAP.
HE IS DOING IT IN A PREMEDITATED
FASHION AND HE IS ALSO TRYING TO
DO SOMETHING ELSE.
NOT JUST KILL THE UKRAINIANS
LITERALLY ON THE GROUND BUT ALSO
THE INTERNATIONAL PEACE ORDER
THAT EXISTS AFTER THE SECOND
WORLD WAR THAT ENSURES THAT
MIGHT IS NOT RIGHT.
IF HE SUCCEEDS IN THAT, THINK OF
ALL THE BULLIES AROUND THE WORLD
THAT WILL TRY TO DO THE SAME.
>> SO, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A
SIMILAR QUESTION THAT I ASKED
THE U.S. SENATOR ON THE SHOW
EARLIER.
DO WE HAVE TO PREPARE, IS EUROPE
PREPARED FOR SOME SORT OF PEACE
DEAL THAT KEEPS PUTIN IN POWER
HIMSELF, AND THEN WE SUDDENLY
HAVE TO WORK WITH HIM AGAIN?
OR IS THERE A POINT, IS HE PAST
THE POINT OF NO RETURN ANYMORE?
>> I'M NOT PREPARED TO SPEAK ON
THIS BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS.
HE IS CORNERED AND HE IS
DANGEROUS.
HE IS NOT GETTING WHAT HE
WANTED.
>> WILL HE BE DANGEROUS FOR AS
LONG AS HE LEADS THE COUNTRY?
>> WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE
ONLY.
ISE FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING.
THAT VERY STRANGE SPEECH HE GAVE
YESTERDAY ABOUT SOME PEOPLE IN
RUSSIA NEEDED TO BE SPIT OUT
LIKE FLIES FROM RUSSIAN MOUTHS,
REFERRING TO OLIGARCHS AND
OTHERS, THAT THE COUNTRY NEEDED
TO BE CLEANSED.
>> WHICH MEANS HE DOESN'T LIKE
WHAT HE'S HEARING.
>> HE'S HEARING SOMETHING.
AND WE MADE SURE THE EUROPEAN
UNION WITH THE MASSIVE SANCTIONS
WE POST ON HIM WE MADE SURE
THOSE OLIGARCHS WOULD BE AT THE
TOPAR OF THE LIST BECAUSE
HONESTLY, PEOPLE ARECA TRYING TO
ANALYZE PSYCHOLOGICALLY PUTIN.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON PSYCHOLOGY.
WHAT I CARE TO DO IS TO BE
PREPARED FOR ANY EVENTUALIALITY
OF WHATEVER MAY POP INTO HIS
MIND.
AT THIS STAGE, THERE ARE PEOPLE
AROUND HIM WHO MAY NOT BE IN THE
SAME BLACK SPACE, THE CORNERED
SPACE THAT HE MAY BE FEELING.
>> IT'S INTERESTING.
THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION.
I'VE HEARD REPORTS INDICATING
THAT, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT MAYBE
TWO OR THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE
FULLY, KNEW THE PLANS AND ALL
THIS STUFF.
DO YOU THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE
WHO CAN GET TO HIM?
>> WELL, WE'LL SEE.
APPARENTLY SOME ARE GETTING TO
HIM.
HE IS HEARING THINGS HE DOESN'T
WANT TO HEAR WHICH IS WHY HE
MADE THAT SPEECH.
BUT LOOK.
LET'S HAVE NO DELUSIONS ABOUT
THIS.
THAT'S NOT A DEMOCRACY.
PUTIN CAME IN AND HE IS CRACKING
DOWN HIS OWN PEOPLE FOR YEARS.
A CIVILR SOCIETY.
JUST INDEPENDENT, PEACEFUL
PEOPLE THAT IN ANY DEMOCRACY,
THEY ARE ALLOWED TO EXIST.
HE'S CRACKING DOWN.
THAT'S NOT A DEMOCRACY.
HE IS TREMENDOUSLY ISOLATED,
OBVIOUSLY.
IS HE GETTING THE RIGHT
INFORMATION?
I DOUBT IT.
I'VE SEEN OTHER SITUATIONS LIKE
THAT.
CAN WE THEREFORE TRUST HIS
DECISION-MAKING IS RATIONAL?
I DOUBT IT.
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT WE
HAVE UPENDED HIS PLANS.
WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT HIS
ECONOMY IS CRASHING.
NOT JUST NOW BUT IN THE MEDIUM
TERM WHEN HE HAS TO CHANGE IT.
WHAT I DO KNOW IS THESE ARE
HAVING MASSIVE EFFECTS WITH THE
RUSSIAN PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT
CERTAINLY OUR ENEMY.
THEY ARE BECOMING HIS ENEMY.
PUTIN IS PUTTING THEM IN THE
TARGET.
>> I WANT TO ASK, PRESIDENT
ZELENSKYY HAS BEEN DOING THIS,
SPEAKING TO WESTERN
LEGISLATURES, AND TODAY WAS
GERMANY.
HE HAD SOMES TOUGH WORDS FOR TH
GERMANS.
TAKE A LISTEN.
>> HOW IS IT POSSIBLE WHEN WE
TOLD YOU THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE
PREPARING WEAPONS AND TROOPS AND
WE KNEW THAT WE WERE PREPARING,
THAT THEY WERE PREPARING FOR WAR
BUT ALL YOU GET IS THE ECONOMY?
SO WHERE IS YOUR LEADERSHIP?
WHERE IS YOUR FORCE?
WHY IS THE COUNTRY BEYOND THE
ATLANTIC CLOSER TO US THAN YOU?
>> HE HAS BEEN AN EFFECTIVE
SPOKESPERSON AND WANTED
EVERYBODY TO, YOU KNOW, FEEL A
LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE IN THE
WESTERN ALLIANCE.
HE'S LOOKING FOR MORE HELP.
I WONDER IF HIS REMARKS WILL
TRIGGER A NEW POSTURE FROM THE
E.U.E
WILL WE EXPECT AN E.U. THAT
MAYBE NEEDS TO HAVE A DEFENSE
SYSTEM, A STRONG MILITARY?
OR DO YOU WANT MORE FUSING WITH
NATO?
WHAT IS GOING TO BE, WHAT IS
GOING TO BE THE E.U.'S REACTION?
>> OKAY.
SO WHAT HAS BEEN THE REACTION
ALREADY AND WHAT WILL BE.
THEAN REACTION HAS BEEN FOR THE
FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, WE HAVE
FINANCED HALF AOR BILLION AND IT
WILL BE MORE NOW, OF LETHAL
WEAPONS TO GO TO, A COUNTRY IN
CONFLICT.
THE EUROPEAN HAS, AMONG THE
FIRST MEMBER STATESAM TO DO SO I
GERMANY.
SO THE STINGERS, ALL THAT STUFF
IS COMING FROM GERMANY.
>> AND THEY HAVE NOT DONE THAT
EVER.
>>OT NO.
AND YOU UNDERSTAND WITH GERM
NIL'S HISTORY, AFTER THE SECOND
WORLD WAR.
>> A LOT OF OTHER COUNTRIES THAT
DIDN'T WANT THEM TO HAVE
WEAPONS.
>> THAT, TOO.
>> BUT GERMANY HAS ANNOUNCED THE
MASSIVE INCREASE OF THE DEFENSE
BUDGETNS THIS YEAR ALONE.
AND GERMANY HAS CONTRIBUTED
MASSIVELY TO THE NATO TROOPS
THAT HAVE GONE TO SUPPORT THE
EASTERN FLANK OF NATO GIVEN
PUTIN'S AGGRESSION.
THIS, HOWEVER, IS NOT THE
BEGINNING OF OUR REALIZATION AS
EUROPEAN THAT'S WE NEED TO DO
MUCH MORE AS DEFENSE.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS AND
WE'RE INVESTING MUCH MORE
TOGETHER TO CREATE ABILITIES.
A FEW YEARS BACK WHEN WE SAID WE
WOULD DO THIS, THERE WERE SOME
VOICES IN THE STATES AS WELL
THAT THAT WHY DO YOU WANT TO DO
THAT?
YOU ALREADY HAVE NATO.
THE ANSWER IS, I DON'T HAVE A
FRENCH ARMY AND THEN A FRENCH
NATO ARMY OR A GREK ARMY AND
THEN A GREEK NATO ARMY.
IT IS ONE ARMY.
IF THAT ARMY BECOMES STRONGER,
MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE LETHAL,
THAT MEANS THAT NATO IS STRONGER
AND MORE EFFICIENTTO AND IT CAN
PREVENT PEOPLE LIKE PUTIN
BECAUSE IT WILL BE PERCEIVED AS
MORE LETHAL.
>> BYS THE WAY, WE HAVE AN ARMY