I HAVE THIS STORY COMING UP. PLUS A FOX WHISTLE BLOWER WILL
JOIN ME TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HE
CALLS PROPAGANDA THAT’S HURTING
OUR DEMOCRACY.
OUR DEMOCRACY. >>> WE BEGIN WITH ONE OF THE
STRANGER HAIL MARY AS WE HAVE
EVER SEEN.
EVER SEEN. MICHAEL COHEN IS LOCKING ARMS
WITH ONE OF TRUMP’S CELEBRITY
ENEMIES.
ENEMIES. THIS MOVE COMES AMIDST A NEW
RULING TONIGHT IN THE FED’S
SCORCHED EARTH EFFORT TO GATHER
EVERY LAST DOCUMENT TEXT AND
AUDIO RECORDING FROM COHEN’S
OFFICES.
OFFICES. THIS IS A STRANGE AND PIVOTAL
TIME FOR MICHAEL COHEN.
WHAT HE DOES COULD LITERALLY
IMPACT THE ENTIRE TRUMP
PRESIDENCY.
PRESIDENCY. WE ARE GOING TO TURN FIRST LIVE
TONIGHT TO THE LAWYER WHO
TANGLED WITH COHEN FROM THE
START AND PREDICTED PART OF HIS
DEMISE.
DEMISE. MICHAEL AVENATTI IS MY LIVE
GUEST TONIGHT.
GUEST TONIGHT. I HAVE BIG QUESTIONS FOR
MICHAEL.
MICHAEL. THAT IS IN A MOMENT.
HERE IS THE CONTEXT.
TOM ARNOLD IS A TRUMP CRITIC WHO
IS NOW SPENDING PART OF HIS
CAREER TRYING TO EITHER CATCH OR
TORMENT DONALD TRUMP.
HE HAS NEW PROJECT LAUNCHED TO
GET TAJJING TAPES ON TRUMP.
COHEN DECIDING TO SHARE THIS
PROVOCATIVE PHOTO.
>>> DON’T WORRY. TOM ARNOLD IS ON IT.
AND I’M TOM ARNOLD.
>> ARNOLD SAYING TONIGHT THAT
COHEN DID TALK TO HIM FOR HIS
NEW SHOW, HUNTING TRUMP.
AND HE ADDS, QUOTE THIS DUDE HAS
ALL THE TAPES.
THIS DUDE HAS EVERYTHING AND
IT’S ON.
IT’S ON. I HOPE TRUMP SEES THE PICTURE OF
ME AND MICHAEL COHEN AND IT
HAUNTS HIS DREAMS.
MOMENTS AGO NICOLLE WALLACE
ASKED ARNOLD IF COHEN HAD GIVEN
HIM ANY TAPES.
>> WE KNOW WHAT WAS SEIZED FROM
HIS OFFICES INCLUDED AUDIO AND
RECORDINGS.
RECORDINGS. DID HE PROMISE TO SHARE THOSE
WITH YOU?
WITH YOU? >> TO SHARE WITH ME?
OH, MICHAEL COHEN FIRST OF ALL
DOES NOT WORK FOR VICE.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
HE IS NOT GETTING ANY MONEY.
HE IS PROBABLY BROKE.
I SHOULDN’T EVEN SAY THAT.
MICHAEL COHEN DID NOT MAKE ANY
PROMISES WITH ME.
>> BUT YOU ARE WORKING ON IT?
>> OH, I WOULD LOVE IT.
>> THEY ARE WORKING ON IT.
NOW THE PRESSURE IS BUILDING ON
COHEN, WHICH GOES TO WHY HE MAY
BE ENGAGING IN ANY OF THIS.
NEW REPORTING THAT THE NATIONAL
ENQUIRER TABLOID WOULD ACTUALLY
SEND COHEN’S STORIES ABOUT TRUMP
IN ADVANCE OF PUBLICATION.
THAT’S SOMETHING NO NEWS OUTLET
IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
THIS WAS DURING THE HEIGHT OF
THE 2016 CAMPAIGN AND WOULD
CHANGE THEM ON COHEN’S REQUEST.
THIS INCLUDES STORIES THAT WOULD
HAMMER CLINTON LIKE GETTING
STORIES ABOUT HER HEALTH BEFORE
THEY WERE PUBLISHED.
THE ENQUIRER DHNS THIS.
MEANWHILE THEY ARE SUBPOENAING
THE PUBBISHER FOR THE CASE.
JOINING ME IS MICHAEL AVENATTI.
WHAT ARE YOU MAKING OF WHAT
AROUND IS DOING?
>> IT WAS FIRST ON YOUR SHOW
THAT I PREDICTED IN EARLY APRIL
EVENTUALLY MICHAEL COHEN WOULD
FLIP ON THE PRESIDENT AND THE
PRESIDENT ENTRUSTED MR. COHEN
WITH SECRETS HE SHOULD HAVE
NEVER ENTRUSTED HIM WITH.
I MADE THAT PREDICTION IN EARLY
APRIL.
APRIL. I’M GOING TO HOLD TO IT.
I WANT TO CAUTION PEOPLE ABOUT
JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT
WHAT TOM ARNOLD HAS OR DOES NOT
HAVE.
HAVE. I THINK A LOT OF THESE CRYPTIC
COMMUNICATIONS PEOPLE ARE
ASSUMING QUITE A LOT.
AND I THINK THAT PERHAPS MICHAEL
COHEN ALLOWED THAT PICTURE TO BE
TAKEN TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE
PRESIDENT THAT THE PRESIDENT
POTENTIALLY IS IN A LOT OF
TROUBLE HERE.
TROUBLE HERE. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING MICHAEL
COHEN IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
BEING PUT ON AN ISLAND AND
ABANDONED BY THIS PRESIDENT AND
THE WHITE HOUSE AS IT RELATES TO
HAVING SOME OF HIS LEGAL FEES
PAID, ET CETERA.
AND I THINK THAT PERHAPS THIS IS
PART OF THE MESSAGES.
>> THAT MESSAGING THOUGH
ULTIMATELY MEANS WHAT?
ISN’T IT A BIGGER THREAT FOR HIM
TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE FEDS
THAN WITH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,
TOM ARNOLD?
TOM ARNOLD? >> WITHOUT A DOUBT BUT I MEAN
THAT YOU KNOW PERHAPS THIS IS A
FLARE GUN SHOT IN THE AIR FOR
MICHAEL COHEN TO, YOU KNOW, A
MESSAGE TO MR. TRUMP OR OTHERS
THAT THERE MAY BE THINGS COMING
DOWN THE PIKE BUT LOOK ARI I AM
GOING TO STAND BY WHAT I HAVE
BEEN SAYING FOR MONTHS.
THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND
THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS GOING TO
BE INDICTED AND FACE SOME VERY,
VERY SERIOUS CHARGES.
THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND
THAT’S GOING TO TRY TO TRADE OR
FLIP ON THIS PRESIDENT.
AND YOU KNOW, I TOLD YOU BEFORE
THERE WERE AUDIO TAPES AND A
WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION THAT
WAS SEIZED IN CONNECTION WITH
THESE RAIDS.
THESE RAIDS. AMONG OTHER PROBLEMS THAT
NICOLLE AND THE PRESIDENT HAVE
IS THAT IT APPEARS THAT MICHAEL
COHEN BASICALLY WAS ONE OF THE
WORLD’S GREAT HOARDERS AS IT
RELATED TO KEEPING EVIDENCE AND
CELL PHONES AND THE LIKE.
THIS GUY NEVER THREW ANYTHING
AWAY WHICH I’M SURE THE
GOVERNMENT IS ECSTATIC ABOUT
RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. >> YOU FEEL, WHAT YOU ARE
CALLING THIS PENCHANT FOR
HOARDING COULD COME BACK TO
HAUNT HIM BECAUSE THE FEDS -- BY
THE WAY WE HAVE ONE OF THESE
RULINGS.
RULINGS. IT’S HERE ON MY DESK TODAY IN
THE KIMBALL WOOD CASE WHICH YOU
HAVE BEEN IN AND OUT OF AT
TIMES.
TIMES. THIS RULING BASICALLY SAYS THE
VAST MAJORITY OF EVERY THAT HE
TO USE YOUR VERB HOARDED, WILL
BE IN THE FEDS’ HANDS.
DOES THAT MEAN TO SOME DEGREE
HE’S LESS OF A KEY WITNESS
BECAUSE ALL HE WOULD DO IS CRAB
RATE WHAT THEY ARE ALREADY GOING
TO HAVE?
TO HAVE? >> A COUPLE OF THING.
I READ THAT RULING AND LOOKED AT
THE MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE SEIZED
IN THE RAIDS.
99.5% OF THIS INFORMATION IS NOT
GOING TO BE PRIVILEGED.
IT’S GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY
TIGHTEN THE NOOSE ON MICHAEL
COHEN, MAKE IT VERY, VERY
DIFFICULT, I THINK, ARI, FOR HIM
TO ESCAPE WHATEVER CHARGES HE IS
ULTIMATELY FACING IN CONNECTION
WITH THAT PROCEEDING AND INIT’S
GOING TO MAKE IT THAT MUCH MORE
LIKELY THAT HE IS GOING TO BE
FORCED TO FLIP ON THE PRESIDENT
IN AN EVIDENT TO SAVE HIMSELF
AND SAVE HIS FAMILY.
NONE OF THIS BODES WELL FOR THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR A
LONG TIME.
LONG TIME. THIS WAS THE PRESIDENT’S RIGHT
HAND GUY FOR THE BETTER PART OF
12 YEARS THAT DEALT WITH, YOU
KNOW ALL OF THE THING THAT I
GUESS NOBODY ELSE WANTED TO DEAL
WITH OR NONE OF THE SECRETS THAT
THE PRESIDENT WANTED TO ENTRUST
TO ANYONE ELSE.
HE PICKED THE WRONG FIX HE, ARI.
I HAVE SAID THAT FOR SOME TIME
NOW.
NOW. >> YOU HAVE.
AND THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER STUFF
IS SO WEIRD IT’S HARD TO SEE
EXACTLY HOW IT FITS.
LAWYERS LOVE PRECEDENT BECAUSE
IT ALLOWS A LAWYER TO SAY IF A
JUDGE SAID IT WAS BAD BEFORE, IT
DEFINITELY IS BAD NOW.
I DON’T KNOW, AND I’M CURIOUS
YOUR VIEW WHETHER THERE IS
PRECEDENT FOR SOME OF THESE
ALLEGATIONS WHICH SUGGESTS THAT
THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER WHICH NOT
THE MOST REPUTABLE BUT CLAIMS TO
BE A MEDIA ENTITY WAS SORM SOME
SORT OF ARM MICHAEL COHEN OR THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
TRUMP CAMPAIGN. LET ME READ FROM THIS REPORT.
TRUMP WANT INTERESTED IN HILLARY
CLINTON’S HEALTH.
CLINTON’S HEALTH. A COVER STORY WAS SENT TO COHEN
IN ADVANCE.
IN ADVANCE. DO YOU HAVE A LEGAL THEORY OR
ANY KNOWLEDGE BASED ON YOUR
DEALINGS AGAINST COHEN WHETHER
ANY OF THIS STUFF WHICH IS
CERTAINLY SHADY IS ALSO
POTENTIALLY EXPOSES CRIMINAL
LIABLE TO COHEN OR THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN?
CAMPAIGN? >> WELL, I THINK IT MIGHT,
BECAUSE HERE’S WHAT WE DON’T
KNOW.
KNOW. WE DON’T KNOW THE FULL EXTENT OF
THE FLOW OF MONEY, IF THERE WAS
ANY FLOW OF MONEY, BETWEEN THE
TRUMP ORGANIZATION, MICHAEL
COHEN, AND THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER
OR AMI.
OR AMI. AND IF THERE WAS FLOW OF MONEY,
THAT COULD PROVE TO BE VERY,
VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR ALL OF
THOSE PARTIES.
THOSE PARTIES. THERE COULD BE POTENTIALLY MONEY
LAUNDERING OR BANK FRAUD CHARGES
THAT MIGHT RESULT FROM THAT.
LET’S REMEMBER, THERE COULD ALSO
BE ADDITIONAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE
VIOLATIONS SOERNTSASSOCIATED WIT
CONDUCT.
CONDUCT. IF AMI WAS PURPOSELY ENGAGED IN
AN ORGANIZED EVIDENT WITH
MICHAEL COHEN AND THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION TO INFLUENCE THAT
CAMPAIGN AND IT WAS EFFECTIVELY
BEING COORDINATED BY DONALD
TRUMP OR MICHAEL COHEN BUT NONE
OF THAT WAS REPORTED THAT WOULD
BE VERY, VERY PROBLEMATIC.
>> THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT
YOUR LIG AND YOUR PUBLIC
ADVOCACY AND THEY SAY GOSH
MICHAEL AVENATTI IS EVERYWHERE.
YOU ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT
REPRESENT YOU FACE, SIR?
>> I MEAN, LOOK, ARI, I HAVE
BEEN HANDLING SOME REALLY BIG
CASES FOR THE BETTER PART OF 189
YEARS.
YEARS. SOME OF THEM HAVE GOTTEN A FAIR
AMOUNT OF PUBLICITY IT.
>> NOTHING LIKE THIS.
>> NO --
>> NO -- >> HERE’S THE FLIPSIDE.
THERE IS ALSO THE ARGUMENT THAT
MICHAEL COHEN IS TRUMP’S FIXER,
YOUR LEGAL ADVERSARY IN THE
CIVIL CASE PUT HIM EVERYWHERE.
LET ME PLAY YOU SOME OF THE WAY
THAT DONALD TRUMP DEALT WITH
CLINTON’S HEALTH WHICH WE ARE
LEARNING FROM THIS REPORTING WAS
PART OF THE BARTER WITH THE
ENKIRER ORGANIZATION.
ENKIRER ORGANIZATION. THEN YOU MENTION THAT MICHAEL
COHEN POPS UP IN THE SUSAN
McDOUGAL LITIGATION, A FORMER
PLAYBOY PLAYMATE WHO HAD
DEALINGS WITH DONALD TRUMP WHO
FELT SHE MADE A CONTRACT WITH
KEITH DAVIDSON WHO YOU REPLACED
IN THE STORMY DANIELS CASE.
AND YOU SAY WHAT WAS HE DOING IN
THE MIDDLE OF A CONTRACT WHERE
HE DIDN’T HAVE LEGAL STANDING OR
A ROLE.
A ROLE. TAKE THAT IN CONTEXT TO DONALD
TRUMP READING OUT OF THE
NATIONAL ENQUIRER MICHAEL COHEN
PLAYBOOK TO ATTACK HILLARY
CLINTON ON HER HEALTH.
>> SHE ALSO LACKS THE MENTAL AND
PHYSICAL STAMINA TO TAKE ON
ISIS.
ISIS. >> TOOK A SHORT CIRCUIT IN THE
BRAIN.
BRAIN. >> HILLARY CLINTON FAILED EVERY
SINGLE TIME AS SECRETARY OF
STATE.
STATE. NOW SHE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT.
HILLARY CLINTON DOESN’T HAVE THE
FORTITUDE, STRENGTH, OR STAMINA
TO LEAD IN OUR WORLD.
>> DO YOU VIEW THIS AS A
POTENTIAL TYPE OF COORDINATION
WHERE MICHAEL COHEN WAS OUTSIDE
OF WHAT HIS AUTHORITY OR LEGAL
LIMITS SHOULD BE AS A PRIVATE
SECTOR COUNSEL TO DONALD TRUMP
AS AN INDIVIDUAL NOT AS A
CANDIDATE?
CANDIDATE? >> WELL, IF HE WAS CARRYING THIS
OUT ON BEHALF OF DONALD TRUMP,
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THIS
COULD RAISE A WHOLE HOST OF
ISSUES RELATING TO THAT CAMPAIGN
AND WHAT AMI’S INVOLVEMENT WAS
BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO
SOMETHING YOU JUST TOUCHED ON.
MY PUBLIC ADVOCACY AND AS MUCH
MEDIA ATTENTION I HAVE RECEIVED
AND AS MANY SHOWS I HAVE BEEN
ON, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IT’S
WORKING.
WORKING. JUST WITHIN THE LAST WEEK IN
CONNECTION WITH THIS OTHER CASE
THAT I AM WORKING ON WE RECEIVED
A NUMBER OF WHISTLE BLOWERS THAT
CAME FORWARD AND WE ARE GETTING
READY TO BLOW THE DOORS OFF OF
THIS BORDER SITUATION.
HAD I NOT BEEN OUT THERE AND IF
I WAS NOT SUCH A KNOWN ATTORNEY
NONE OF THAT WOULD HAVE COME TO
FRUITION.
FRUITION. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS IS WORKING
TO THE BEEN FIT OF MY CLIENTS
AND I’M NOT GOING TO STOP
BECAUSE IT’S VERY, VERY
EFFECTIVE.
EFFECTIVE. >> WELL, STAY WITH ME, MICHAEL,
FOR MORE CONTEXT.
I WANT TO ADD IN DANIEL GOLDMAN
WHO WAS A FORMER FEDERAL
PROSECUTOR IN THE SAME DISTRICT,
THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW
YORK, WHERE COHEN IS CURRENTLY
FACING THESE ISSUES AND HAD THAT
RULING TODAY, LIZ PLANKS HAS
BEEN COVERING THAT ISSUE
INCLUDING THE NDAs AND TRUMPS
DEALINGS FROM THE START.
DOES THIS LOOK LIKE SCUMMY
UNDERnd THATTED SECRET DEALINGS
WITH THE ENQUIRER OR DO YOU SEE
LEGAL EXPOSURE?
LEGAL EXPOSURE? >> YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN BEFORE
ABOUT HOW THE ENQUIRER AND THE
STORMY DANIELS CASE CAN ALL FIT
TOGETHER WITH KAREN McDOUGAL AND
HOW THE EVIDENCE OF ONE DEAL MAY
IMPACT THE OTHER ONE AND
ULTIMATELY HELP TO BUILD A CASE
OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS.
NOW WE ARE LEARNING EXACTLY WHAT
WE WERE WONDERING BEFORE, WHICH
IS THERE APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN
SOME COORDINATION BETWEEN COHEN
ON BEHALF OF TRUMP AND THE
ENQUIRER.
ENQUIRER. NOW YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BEEN PAID OFF.
IF YOU ADD IN THE DOORMAN FOR
DONALD TRUMP WHO WAS ALSO PAID
OFF MY AMI, THIS SEEMS TO BE
MUCH MORE OF A COORDINATED
EFFORT.
EFFORT. THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE NEXT
STEP AND FIGURE OUT OKAY WHERE
IS THE MONEY COMING FROM AS
MICHAEL AVENATTI JUST POINTED
OUT AND WAS THIS AN IN-KIND
CONTRIBUTION TO THE CAMPAIGN?
WAS IT ON BEHALF OF THE
CAMPAIGN?
CAMPAIGN? THEN YOU GET INTO SOME OF THE
LEGAL COMPLEXITIES.
LEGAL COMPLEXITIES. BUT THE COORDINATION ASPECT OF
IT THAT WE ARE LEARNING ABOUT
TONIGHT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT
TO A POTENTIAL CASE FOR CAMPAIGN
FINANCE FRAUD.
FINANCE FRAUD. >> ON THAT BRIEFLY DANIEL WALK
US THROUGH WHAT IT MEANS WHEN WE
ARE LEARNING THAT THE FED ARE
SUBPOENAING THE NATIONAL
ENQUIRER.
ENQUIRER. WHAT ARE THEY SEEKING TO GET ON
THAT SIDE?
THAT SIDE? >> THEY ARE CERTAINLY SEEKING TO
GET THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT AMI
HAD WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, THE
TRUMP ORGANIZATION, MICHAEL
COHEN IN CONNECTION TO THIS
$150,000 DEAL THAT THEY HAD WITH
KAREN McDOUGAL OR THAT THEY PAID
OUT TO KAREN McDOUGAL.
AND THAT SEEMS TO BE
INCREASINGLY AN IN-KIND
CONTRIBUTION TO THE CAMPAIGN TO
KEEP HER QUIET NOT SAME OF A
CATCH AND KILL OR EVEN A DEAL TO
PROMOTE HER.
PROMOTE HER. SO IT’S REAL HE HAD THOSE
COMMUNICATIONS.
COMMUNICATIONS. >> I WONDER WHETHER THEY CAN
FIND ALSO INTERNAL
COMMUNICATIONS WHERE THEY MIGHT
BE SAYING TO TRUMP OR HIS FIXER
YEAH WE WILL DO THIS, WE OWE YOU
ONE.
ONE. INTERNALLY THEY SAY LOOK WE ARE
DOING THIS TO HELP THE CAMPAIGN
OR DOING THIS FOR POLITICAL
PURPOSES THE KIND OF INTERNAL
STUFF THAT COULD BE
INCRIMINATING.
INCRIMINATING. I’M NOT SAYING THEY HAVE THAT
BUT THAT COP PART OF THE
INVESTIGATIVE LOOK.
INVESTIGATIVE LOOK. >> LIZ, YOU KNOW THE OLD SAYING.
AIN’T NO MATTER LIKE A MICHAEL
COHEN PARTY BECAUSE A MICHAEL
COHEN PARTY REALLY MESSY.
I WONDER WHETHER THIS IS THE
KIND OF FIXING THAT’S SO MESSY
IT’S TO THE FIXING THAT MUCH.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE
BODYGUARD STORY IN THE "WALL
STREET JOURNAL’S" STORY FROM
TODAY, THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER,
WHOEVER THE SPOKESPERSON WAS IN
SPEAKING TO THE "WALL STREET
JOURNAL" EXPLAINED THAT THAT
STORY NEVER CAME OUT BECAUSE
THEY COULDN’T FIND ENOUGH
CREDIBILITY FROM THE SOURCE BUT
THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER PUBLISHED
A STORY ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON
THAT YOU REFERENCE CALLED SIX
MONTHS TO LIVE.
CLAIMING THAT HILLARY CLINTON
HAD SIX MONTHS TO LIVE.
SO FOR THEM TO CALL INTO
QUESTION AND SAY THAT THERE WAS
A PROBLEM WITH CREDIBILITY I
THINK IS VERY HARD TO BELIEVE.
AND THIS OTHER THING I REALLY
WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE LARGER
CONTEXT OF THE FACT THAT DONALD
TRUMP WAS ONLY ENDORSED BY TWO
NEWSPAPERS.
NEWSPAPERS. WHICH IS VERY LOW FOR ANY KIND
OF MAJOR CANDIDATE FOR
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. AND THAT WAS, ONE, THE NATIONAL
ENQUIRER.
ENQUIRER. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THE KKK’S
NEWSPAPER.
NEWSPAPER. THAT REAL HE TELLS YOU
EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW
ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. RIGHT?
RIGHT? ONE OF THE NEWSPAPER IS A
NEWSPAPER PROMOTING WHITE
SUPREMACY.
SUPREMACY. AND THE OTHER ONE IS IT’S
BECOMING CLEAR IN THE REPORTING
THAT’S COMING OUT TODAY AND THAT
MANY REPORTERS HAVE BEEN WORKING
ON THAT HE BASICALLY CONTROLLED.
WHICH CONFIRMS HIS THEORY ABOUT
FAKE NEWS AND FAKE MEDIA.
THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER IN A WAY
IS FAKE NEWS BECAUSE A LOT OF
THE STORIES WERE BEING FED BY
DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF OR BEING
FED BY MICHAEL COHEN.
>> MICHAEL, WHERE DOES THIS GO
NEXT?
NEXT? >> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT,
YOU KNOW, GENTLEMEN LIKE MR.
PECKER AND OTHERS WITH AMI,
THESE ARE NOT HARDENED
CRIMINALS, ARI.
CRIMINALS, ARI. IF THEY HAVE POTENTIAL EXPOURE
THEY ARE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING
WITHIN THEIR POWER TO HIT THE
EXITS.
EXITS. THEY ARE GOING TO COOPERATE
FULLY.
FULLY. THEY ARE GOING THE PROVIDE ANY
AND ALL INFORMATION ABOUT MR.
KPOE AND MR. TRUMP IN A VERY
EXPEDITIOUS MANNER.
EXPEDITIOUS MANNER. THESE ARE NOT HARDENED
CRIMINALS.
CRIMINALS. THEY ARE TO THE GOING TO DO FIVE
OR TEN OR IS A YEARS FOR YOU.
>> I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE SAYING
BASICALLY THEY ARE NOT FROM THE
NEIGHBORHOOD?
NEIGHBORHOOD? >> DEPEND WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY ARE WHITE COLLAR GUYS USED
TO A NICE STANDARD OF LIVING.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO DOWN
FOR MICHAEL COHEN AND MR. TRUMP.
YOU THOUGHT MICHAEL COHEN WAS
GOING TO FLIP?
TO THE EXTENT THAT THESE GUYS
HAVE ANY INFORMATION THEY ARE
DOING TO BE SINGING LIKE SOME OF
THE LARGEST CANARIES YOU HAVE
SEEN IN YOUR LIFETIME.
>> DAN GOLDMAN AS SOMEONE WHO
USED TO DO THESE INVESTIGATIONS
WE HAVELY, YOUR HANDICAPPING ON
MR. MICHAEL AVENATTI’S ANALYSIS?
>> THE INTERESTING THING IS THE
FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES.
THERE ARE HURDLES THAT YOU MUST
CLEAR IN ORDER TO SUBPOENA A
NEWS ORGANIZATION.
NEWS ORGANIZATION. I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY
ARE CATEGORIZING AMI, BUT BY
SUBPOENAING THEM THEY HAVE
CLEARLY DONE THAT.
AMI INDICATED THAT THEY ARE
GOING TO CLAIM SOME FIRST
AMENDMENT PRIVILEGES TO PROTECT
THEIR SOURCES.
THEIR SOURCES. THAT’S A POTENTIAL AREA FOR
LITIGATION.
LITIGATION. SO THEY WILL DO EVERYTHING THEY
CAN TO FIGHT THIS THROUGH
LITIGATION.
LITIGATION. BUT I AGREE WITH MICHAEL, THESE
ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOING TO
WANT TO MESS WITH THE
GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. AND THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO
COOPERATE.
COOPERATE. THE INTERESTING THING THAT YOU
POINTED OUT WITH MICHAEL EARLIER
IS WHAT MICHAEL COHEN DOES.
AND THE MORE WE KEEP HEARING HIM
TALK ABOUT DOING WHAT’S BEST FOR
HIS FAMILY, AS WE HAVE TALKED
ABOUT BEFORE, THE MORE IT’S
LIKELY THAT HE’S GOING TO
COOPERATE.
COOPERATE. TIN CRITICAL THING FOR HIM RATE
NOW IS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
CHARGES THE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW
HAS AGAINST HIM.
BECAUSE, BY ALL ACCOUNTS, FOR
SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IN SOME
SHADY BUSINESSES FOR DECADES,
THERE MAY BE A LOT MORE CRIMINAL
ACTIVITY THAT HE HAS TO PLEAD
GUILTY TO THAT THE GOVERNMENT
DOESN’T KNOW ABOUT.
THAT’S PART OF THE COOPERATION
PROCESS.
PROCESS. AND HE MAY BE DOING A
CALCULATION AS TO HOW MUCH MORE
HE TO GIVE UP IN ORDER TO
COOPERATE.
COOPERATE. >> IT IS A FASCINATING CASE.
WE DON’T ALWAYS BUILD AN ENTIRE
LEGAL EXPLORATION OFF A TOM
ARNOLD PHOTO.
ARNOLD PHOTO. I HAVE TO SAY THAT AS A CAVEAT.
BUT THE PHOTO IS NOT ABOUT TOM
ARNOLD.
ARNOLD. IT’S ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN’S STATE
OF MINE AND THE PRESSURE
BUILDING ON HIM AS ALL OF THIS
STUFF COMES OUT, WHICH IS
FASCINATING.
FASCINATING. AS MENTIONED SOME OF THAT BEGAN
WITH MR. MICHAEL AVENATTI’S
CIVIL LITIGATION.
CIVIL LITIGATION. SOME OF IT FROM THE FEDS.