he's meeting with politics with big fat man
they're welcome back to the default expanded attack and joining us in studio
is abby colbert professor of psychology at clark university
in a renowned expert in the area of lesbian and gay parenting she's also the
author of lesbian and gay parents research on the family life-cycle and
joining us on the phone is tom mccluskey
vice president of government affairs for the family research counsel to your mail
k tom artistic and like it thanks for joining us
thank you so last week we learned that prop it was overturned in california by
judge vaughn walker
somewhere you thrilled with this decision urges a very happy
uh... well any actually neither none
we thought that the opinion that that's one judge not overrule the the boats of
over seven million california benefit used
well so abby let me go to you the that argument but i was making has been made
a number of times which is the will of the people have has been overturned
the counter-argument which which i've live taken dot
i've taken to heart because it seems to make sense to me is when we're talking
about cases of basic civil rights being violated you can't just put that up to a
vote right i mean that's why we have an independent judiciary to decide you know
if this is a vote that would violate the bill of rights for example we can just
put that to a vote where do you come down on that
on yeah and i would would concur with that for the issue of equal rights of
similar liberties should not be something that should be left up to
you know popular vote but rather something that should rest on principle
it you know in my opinion shouldn't even rest and research we shouldn't have to
pay
at a class of people is unh as good as another class of people in order to for
them to have a right that should be granted to them automatically
so tom as part of the family research council with which you are
d_p_ of government affairs for
is the objection just the the the so-called legal objection widget which
you just stated earlier do you have a moral problem with gay marriage as well
boy bothered certainly the moral problem in a lot of that goes into
the research that has shown that i'm children herb
bapteme an environment where the mother or father
something that judge completely just throughout in what sense that he throw
that out
what he did even including this mister in adv
in his judgment
and his ruling so you're saying that that there is evidence which suggests
that it is that that kids do better and when they are in a home with a a male
and female parrots as opposed to a gay couple is that right
ordered the evidence is overwhelming
after frequently there is even a study by yale university
that support that
that belief
when dan abby happen had are there those studies what did the study say this is
really a area of expertise
on that
the body of research that for example the the proponents of prop eight have
relied on is a body of research that compares married heterosexual two-parent
families and their children
to single-parent families and divorced parents families and those studies often
find the children with two married heterosexual parents
do better in terms of scary psychosocial outcomes compared to children single
parents and divorced parents
but they're is no study that compares married heterosexual parents with
children
married same sex couples with children so that's a big elite that fit think to
some of these proponents are making
d'aquino automatically be extended to same sex couples as well and the
research that we do have that compares
heterosexual married same-sex couples with children
to not married but same sex couples with children
shows that these children are doing just fine emotionally behaviorally
they don't differ in any sort of you know psychosocial outcome from the
children of st parent so when inside oklahoma buddies extremely
by a third of pronoun time is the most recent one it's been even have control
group in just a matter of
afghan lesbian parents why do you think you're going paranormal which studies
that
army
through it with the most recent study and i'm i'm afraid i do not have in
front of me to accept locally study trip
i mean that's uh... simple fact is that there are so few well yeah i think
you're referring to is a study that was done at university of california
him francisco got a lot of press i think that's when your friends at the white it
didn't all
all lie you know lesbian parents petty on in fact
that study in several recent studies you're saying that it just rip relied on
parents report but it also blood and teacher reports so teachers are a great
way to provide some independent objective data to officer kind of
ascertain whether these children are doing well and those teachers reports
were included in that report and those teachers portrait of the these children
again did not differ in terms of behavioral emotional outcomes from
children of heterosexual parents
so tom dewey what is that the poll you referring to divvy does not know what
pull the desert i do believe that would put one hundred silvester please
showing with no control group and
simply acting then teachers or friend of
uh... these family at his not scientific poll to make
what what what about it is unscientific
you have no control group you have no
uh...
you're not comparing it to other family him
your parking spot a very small percentage
well the whole population itself is a very small percentage of homosexual
and an even smaller population the ghetto vector five q even enter civil
union for marriage or anything like that but some because it's a small percentage
does that mean any study about it which is being accurate because there's not
that many people to study that could go both ways could not
did and that goes beyond any study as well
uh...
the writer marion granted by the u_s_ constitution but not the right to define
marriage
and absent that is what is being happy room that is what judge walker tried to
do
okay but let me in the interest of not getting bogged down here un
tumi uh...
their hot happen to believe that homosexuality is not the choice where
does family research council come down on that time
one of the evidence is in concludes though
uh...
and i either side so
right now it's just down the personal opinion and what's yours
my personal opinion of a different conclusion
so i mean i not going to have a question yes or no wind
uh... all the facts are not now
and should that make a difference in terms of the ruling like this
i wouldn't see why it worked
unique shapes of the matter of whether it's a choice and that's what's
happening should that doesn't have any legal bearing should play until i don't
think i sent now i think it's completely irrelevant again i really feel that
these kinds of decisions should be made on
whether it's a choice or not and you know
there's a lot of research showing that it's not a choice but whether it's
tricia is irrelevant again to granting certain writes that human beings
should have automatically that's what this case was all about
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