ALL OF THEM HAPPENING IN
NOGALES, ARIZONA.
>> Neil: THANKS, CASEY.
LET’S GO TO BRANDON YESTERDAY,
THE NATIONAL BORDER PATROL
COUNSEL PRESIDENT.
WE’RE LEARNING THAT NEW YORK’S
MAYOR IS NOT HAPPY WITH THIS.
IF YOU THINK HE’S UPSET, YOU
SHOULD HEAR FROM MARIEL BOWSER.
SHE WANTED FEDERAL HELP AND SHE
WAS SEEKING IT THROUGH THE
PENTAGON.
IT’S NOT FORTHCOMING.
TO YOUR POINT, BOTH MAYORS AND
THESE CITIES AND OTHER LOCALS
WHERE THE MY GRANTS ARE COMING,
THEY’RE DEALING WITH FOR ABBOTT
AND FOLKS ARE DEALING WITH ON A
DAILY BASIS LIKE YOU.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
WHAT REALLY FRUSTRATES US IS
WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT WANTING THE
NATIONAL GUARD THERE IN
WASHINGTON D.C.
WHY ISN’T SHE TALKING ABOUT
STOPPING THIS PROBLEM RIGHT
THERE AT THE BORDER?
IF WE WOULD CONTROL THIS ISSUE
AT THE BORDER, THEY WOULDN’T
HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
BECAUSE THE OPEN BORDER
ADVOCATES DON’T WANT HER TO TALK
ABOUT THAT, SHE WILL TALK ABOUT
HER CITY.
THAT IS FRUSTRATING.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT TWO DAYS AGO,
WE HAD A 3-YEAR-OLD DROWNED IN
THE RIO GRANDE RIVER.
WE HAD A 2-MONTH-OLD THAT HAD TO
BE PULLED OUT AND SAVED.
WE DON’T KNOW THAT THAT
2-YEAR-OLD WILL LIVE.
IF SHE CARED ABOUT LIFE, SHE
WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM AT THE
BORDER.
SHE WON’T DISCUSS THAT ISSUE.
>> Neil: SO WHERE DOES THESE
PEOPLE GO?
WHEN THEY GET OFF THE BUSES, WHO
IS KEEPING TRACK OF THEM?
ANYONE?
>> NO.
NOBODY IS.
WHEN WE RELEASE THEM -- YOU JUST
HEARD FROM THAT OFFICIAL FROM
NEW YORK CITY SAYING THAT THEY
HAD SOMEBODY THAT THEY HAD TO
TAKE TO THE HOSPITAL.
WELL, THAT’S NOT ON GOVERNOR
ABBOTT.
THESE PEOPLE WERE RELEASED FROM
FEDERAL CUSTODY.
THE MOMENT THEY’RE RELEASED FROM
FEDERAL CUSTODY, THEY’RE FREE TO
GO ANYWHERE THEY WANT IN SIDE
THE UNITED STATES.
THAT’S ONE OF THE SCARY PARTS OF
THIS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION CRISIS.
WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE RELEASED
INTO THE UNITED STATES AND TO GO
ANYWHERE THAT THEY WANT, THAT IS
A REWARD FOR VIOLATING OUR LAWS.
THAT’S WHAT IS DRAWING SO MANY
PEOPLE.
THAT IS THE MAGNET THAT IS
DRAWING SO MANY PEOPLE ACROSS
OUR BORDERS ILLEGALLY AND WHAT
IS ENRICHING THE CARTELS.
THE CARTELS USE THIS MAGNET TO
ADVERTISE THEIR SERVICES AROUND
THE WORLD.
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE
SOLVED.
CAN IT BE SOLVED TOMORROW.
WE DON’T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE
WHITE HOUSE TO DO IT.
>> Neil: SOMEONE MUST GIVE THEM
A PIECE OF PAPER ABOUT A COURT
DATE.
THAT’S HOW IT WAS TRADITIONALLY
HANDLED AT THE BORDER.
I ASSUME THE SAME PROCEDURE IS
IN PLACE WHERE IT’S UP TO THE
MIGRANT TO SHOW UP FOR THAT
COURT DATE.
IT’S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THE SAME PROCEDURE, I ASSUME, IN
WASHINGTON D.C. AND NEW YORK
CITY AND THESE OTHER PLACES.
HOW TOES THAT GO?
HOW MANY SHOW UP FOR THAT?
>> IT IS THE EXACT SAME
PROCEDURE.
IT’S CALLED THE NOTICE TO
APPEAR, THIS IS WHAT WE GIVE
THESE INDIVIDUALS.
IT’S A SERIES OF COURT DATES.
IT’S NOT ONE SINGLE COURT DATE.
IT’S A SERIES.
THEY HAVE TO SHOW UP TO CITIZENS
AND IMMIGRATION SERVICES.
WHEN THEY SHOW UP THERE, THAT’S
WHEN THEY BECOME ILLEGIBLE FOR
WORK PERMITS AND GET THE
BENEFITS THAT ANY UNITED STATES
IT IS 16 COULD HAVE, THE SOCIAL
BENEFITS THAT EXIST HERE.
>> Neil: AND THEY CAN’T BE
DEPORTED?
>> NO.
>> Neil: THROUGH ALL THE
PROCESSES, THEY CAN’T BE KICKED
OUT?
>> NOT UNTIL THAT THEIR FINAL
COURT APPEARANCE.
THAT’S WHEN THEY HAVE TO PROVE
THEY HAVE A LEGITIMATE REASON TO
BE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
THEY NEVER SHOW UP THOUGH.
IF THEY DO SHOW UP AND ORDERED,
NORMALLY RELEASED FOR 30 DAYS TO
GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER AND
THAT’S WHEN THEY DISAPPEAR.
THE VAST MAJORITY WILL NEVER
LEAVE.
THEY’LL BE ORDERED DEPORTED IN
PERSON OR NOT.
THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM THAT IS
EASILY SOLVED.
WE DON’T HAVE THE POLITICAL WILL
TO DO IT.
>> Neil: EVEN IN SANCTUARY
CITIES LIKE WASHINGTON D.C.,
NEW YORK, WHERE THEY’RE
PROVIDING THEM WITH ALL SORTS OF
THINGS TO HELP THEM IN THIS
PROCESS, THERE’S NO GUARANTEE
THAT EITHER SANCTUARY CITY IS
FOLLOWING THIS PROCESS OR
FOLLOWING UP ON THEM THROUGH
MULTIPLE APPEARANCES IN COURT.
>> NO.
THE SANCTUARY CITIES ARE NOT
FOLLOWING UP ON THEM.
IT’S DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO
FOLLOW UP ON THESE INDIVIDUALS
BECAUSE YOU --
>> Martha: SO DO THEY LOOK THE
OTHER WAY, BRANDON, WHEN THEY
DON’T SHOW UP OR THEY SAY NO BIG
DEAL, THEY DIDN’T SHOW UP AND
THEY’RE OUT, RIGHT?
>> YEAH, THE SANCTUARY CITIES
LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
A WARRANT OF ARREST WILL BE
ISSUED.
THE PROBLEM IS THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION DOESN’T LET ICE
GO AFTER THE WARRANTS.
SO PEOPLE KNOW THEY’RE FREE.
THAT’S ONE OF THE OTHER MAGNETS
THAT DRAWS SO MANY PEOPLE ACROSS
OUR BORDERS.
THEY KNOW THIS ADMINISTRATION IS
NOT GOING TO HOLD THEM
ACCOUNTABLE EVEN WHEN THEY DON’T
SHOW UP.
>> Neil: WILD.
I ALWAYS LEARN A LOT TALKING TO