>> NOT THAT DONALD TRUMP SEEMS
LIKE A PARTICULARLY EASY
CLIENTS REPRESENT. BUT THE ATTORNEYS DEFENDING HIM IN THE
NEW YORK CRIMINAL TRIAL ARE GETTING A CRASH COURSE IN WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN YOU HITCH YOUR WAGON TO THAT OF THE FORMER
PRESIDENT. THE TRIAL HAS BARELY BEGUN. AND ALREADY TRUMP'S
ATTORNEY TODD BLANCHE HAS ALL BUT LOST THE CONFIDENCE OF
JUDGE ONE RUSH ON. IT HAPPENED DURING WHAT'S CALLED A SHOW
CAUSE HEARING WHERE TRUMP'S ATTORNEY WAS MAKING HIS CASE AS
TO WHY TRUMP DIDN'T VIOLATE HIS GAG ORDER, WHICH TO BE CLEAR,
PROSECUTORS SAY HE DID AT LEAST 10 TIMES WHAT IT WAS SO FAR AS
TO SUGGEST THAT TRUMP WAS MAKING A GOOD FAITH EFFORT.
HE SAID, QUOTE, WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLY WITH IT. AND THERE'S NO
DOUBT THAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT PURPORTED VIOLATIONS.
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS BEING VERY CAREFUL TO COMPLY WITH YOUR
HONOR'S RULES. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS SOON MAKING THE FALSE.
THAT WAS SHAWN THEN SAID YOU'RE LOSING ALL CREDIBILITY. I HAVE
TO TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW. NOW, ADMITTEDLY, I'M NOT AN
ATTORNEY. SO IT WAS UNSURE ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH
LOSING ALL CREDIBILITY WITH THE COURT COULD HURT BLANCHE.
SO WE ASKED MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST GLENN KIRSCHNER ABOUT EXACTLY
THAT. AND HERE'S WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.
>> YOU KNOW, BRIAN, I WOULD SAY THAT'S AN 11 ON THE
REPUTATIONAL RICHTER SCALE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT SOUNDS
HYPERBOLIC. BUT HERE'S WHAT I'D ASK OUR VIEWERS TO DO. THINK
ABOUT WHO IN YOUR LIFE, WHOSE OPINION IS MOST IMPORTANT TO
YOU? MAYBE IT'S YOUR SPOUSE OR YOUR PARTNER. MAYBE IT'S YOUR
EMPLOYER. MAYBE IT'S YOUR TEACHER OR PROFESSOR. IF YOU'RE
IN SCHOOL, IF THAT PERSON SAID THE U YOU ARE LOSING ALL
CREDIBILITY WITH ME, HOW WOULD THAT MAKE YOU FEEL? YOU KNOW,
A JUDGE ISN'T NECESSARILY INVOLVED IN A PERSONAL
RELATIONSHIP WITH LAWYERS. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A JUDGE
CRITICIZE YOU OPENLY HARSHLY IN COURT, I HAVE BEEN ON THE
RECEIVING END, NOT OF ANY KIND OF CRITICISM THAT APPROACHES A
JUDGE SAYING I YOU KNOW, YOU ARE LOSING ALL CREDIBILITY WITH
ME. I'VE HAD SOME JUDGE IS LASH OUT AT ME FROM TIME TO TIME.
I KNOW HOW IT MAKES ME FEEL MAKES ME, YOU KNOW, WANT TO
REDOUBLE MY EFFORTS TO MAKE SURE I DO BETTER. MAYBE THAT'S
THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON TODD BLANCHE, DONALD TRUMP'S LEAD
ATTORNEY. BUT I THINK MOST CRIMINAL LAW PRACTITIONERS CAN
TELL YOU IT'S LIKE THE DEATH NOW, YOU KNOW, IT CAN IMPACT
THE ENTIRE TRIAL MOVING FORWARD. YOU KNOW, IF THE JUDGE
LOSES RESPECT FOR AN ATTORNEY IN THE ARGUMENTS THEY'RE MAKING
SUCH THAT THE JUDGE FEELS COMPELLED TO SAY YOU'RE LOSING
YOUR CREDIBILITY WITH ME, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY CAN COLOR THE
ENTIRE REST OF THE TRIAL.
>> AND HERE'S WHAT I THINK WILL MAKE IT EVEN WORSE AFTER THAT
SHOW. CAUSE HEARING ENDED WHERE JUDGE MASHAWN DIDN'T EVEN RULE
RIGHT AWAY FROM THE THEN WENT ON TO ALLEGEDLY VIOLATE HIS GAG
ORDER YET AGAIN, HERE'S AN INTERVIEW THAT WAS TAPED BEFORE
THE HEARING BUT AIRED ON ABC, 6 ACTION NEWS IN PHILADELPHIA THE
EVENING AFTER THIS VERY HEARING.
>> SCHIFF TO THE TRIAL, IF WE COULD FOR ONE 0ND. WHERE IS
YOUR CONCERN LEVEL AT THIS POINT REGARDING DAVID PECKER'S
TESTIMONY AND MICHAEL COHEN'S TESTIMONY?
>> WELL, MICHAEL COHN IS A CONVICTED LIAR AND HE'S GOT NO
CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER. HE WAS A LAWYER AND YOU RELY ON YOUR
LAWYER'S. BUT MICHAEL COHN WAS A CONVICTED LIAR. HE WAS ALERT
FOR MANY PEOPLE. NOT JUST ME.
>> ARE YOU PREPARED TO TAKE THE STAND AT THE COMES DOWN TO IT?
>> OH, SURE, I GET I VERY WILLINGLY. TAKE THE STAND RIGHT
NOW. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE LEGAL SCHOLARS ARE SAYING AND
AS I SAID, JONATHAN TURLEY, MCCARTHY A DERSHOWITZ LAST
NIGHT, THEY SAY THERE'S NO CASE. THERE IS NO CASE. THEY
BROUGHT A CASE. IT DOESN'T EXIST.
THEY'RE RIGHT. OTHER THAN WE HAVE A VERY CONFLICTED. JUDGE
JUDGE IS HIGHLY CONFLICTED. HE JUST HE SHOULD RECUSE
HIMSELF IMMEDIATELY. THERE'S NEVER BEEN A JUDGE. SO
CONFLICTED. IS THIS GUY. HE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY RECUSE
HIMSELF IMMEDIATELY. THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE A GOOD
JUDGE FOR THEM. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY HAVE NO CASE.
>> YET, AGAIN, ATTACKING WITNESSES AND ALLEGEDLY
VIOLATING HIS GAG ORDER. THE SAME GAG ORDER THAT TRUMP'S
ATTORNEY HAD JUST PUT HIS OWN REPUTATION ON THE LINE IS
SUGGESTING THAT TRUMP IS BEING QUOTE, VERY CAREFUL WITH.
SO IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHY TODD BLANCHE IS LOSING ALL
CREDIBILITY WITH THE COURT, THEY SHOULD PUT THINGS INTO
PERSPECTIVE. AND YET, HERE'S THE THING. TRUMP DOESN'T SEEM
TO CARE. I DON'T THINK HIS PRIORITY IS TO FOLLOW THE RULES
OF THIS TRIAL TO ME IS DOING WHATEVER HE CAN TO GET OFF.
THAT'S WHY HE'S SO HELL-BENT ON INTIMIDATING MEMBERS OF THE
JURY AND WITNESSES IN THIS TRIAL BY CLAIMING, FOR EXAMPLE,
THAT THE JURY IS COMPOSED OF ALL LIBERAL DEMOCRATS. HE'S
PRIMING HIS SUPPORTERS. HE'S DANGEROUS SUPPORTERS TO BELIEVE
THAT IF THEY RETURN A GUILTY VERDICT IS BECAUSE THE FIX WAS
IN AND GIVEN THEIR PROCLIVITY TO BE DANGEROUS. JANUARY 6 IS A
TESTAMENT TO THAT. I THINK TRUMP KNOWS THAT HE CAN TRY AND
PRESSURE THE JURY'S RULING CERTAIN WAY. THEY WANT TO
PRESERVE THEIR OWN SAFETY. THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
MY BOSS TACTICS FOR A MOB BOSS DEFENDANT ALL THE WHILE HE
PRESENTS HIMSELF AS THE VICTIM CLAIMING CONSTANTLY THAT HIS
FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY BY VIRTUE OF
BEING GAGGED. LET'S BE CLEAR TRUMP. THEY TAKE HIS SUPPORTERS
FOR FOOLS. BUT THE REALITY IS THAT CRIMINAL DEFENDANTS DO NOT
HAVE UNLIMITED RIGHTS TO FREE SPEECH. JUDGES ARE ALLOWED TO
IMPOSE LIMITS TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE TRIAL. MEAN
TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAINT THE JURY POOL OR
INTIMIDATE WITNESSES, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THOSE WOULD
UNDERMINE THE ABILITY OF THE TRIAL TO PROCEED FAIRLY.
IF TRUMP WANTED FULL UNABRIDGED FREE SPEECH RIGHTS, HE SHOULD
HAVE CONSIDERED NOT ALLEGEDLY COMMITTING 34 FELONIES. BUT NO
TRUMP IS NOT THE VICTIM HERE. IN FACT, IT WAS ANY OTHER
DEFENDANT. I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE ALREADY LONG SINCE BEEN
FAMILIARIZING THEMSELVES WITH THE INSIDE OF A JAIL CELL.
>> YOU KNOW, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN PROMPTLY FIND THE FIRST TIME
AND HE WOULD HAVE BEEN JAILED. THE SECOND TIME DONALD TRUMP
HAS RACKED UP AT LEAST 10 CRIMINAL CONTEMPT
FOR WHICH HE HAS NOT BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE EVEN WITH THE FIND.
SO YES, THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS BENDING OVER BACKWARDS,
CATERING TO DONALD TRUMP, TREATING HIM AS THEY WOULD
TREAT NO OTHER DEFENDANT AND IN THE PROCESS SACRIFICING THE
SAFETY OF EVERYBODY ELSE, WITNESSES, JURORS, PROSECUTORS,
JUDGES AND THEIR RESPECTIVE FAMILY MEMBERS. SO, YEAH,
IF IF IT WASN'T DONALD TRUMP, THIS PERSON WOULD HAVE BEEN
JAILED LONG AGO AND WOULD PROBABLY BE IN PRETRIAL
DETENTION FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE TRIAL.
>> SO TRUMP'S ATTORNEY WILL CONTINUE TO EMBARRASS HIMSELF
AS HE PUT HIS REPUTATION ON THE LINE FOR A CLIENT WHO SEEMINGLY
IS HELL-BENT ON TORCHING HIM. I THINK TRUMP'S LEGAL TEAM IS
ABOUT TO LEARN THE LESSON THAT EVERYONE WHO ENDS UP IN TRUMP'S
ORBIT LEARNS. BUT YOU WILL NOT BE REWARDED IN THE WAY YOU
THINK YOU WILL BE. BUT INSTEAD IT WILL BE SUMMARILY DISCARDED
WITH YOUR REPUTATION IN TATTERS.
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