ERIC: A FOX IS CONFIRMING THERE
WILL BE A MEANINGFUL
GET-TOGETHER TONIGHT.
PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL HOST THE
PARENTS OF OTTO WARMBIER AND
SOME OF OTTO'S FRIENDS FOR A
PRIVATE DINNER THIS EVENING AT
THE WHITE HOUSE.
AS YOU KNOW, OTTO WAS THE
22-YEAR-OLD UNIVERSITY OF
VIRGINIA STUDENT WHO WAS FALSELY
ARRESTED AND TORTURED BY KIM
JONG UN'S GOONS FOR 17 MONTHS.
HE WAS RELEASED IN 2017.
HE WAS IN A VEGETATIVE STATE,
DEAF, BLIND, UNABLE TO SPEAK.
HE DIED SHORTLY AFTER HE
RETURNED HOME IN CINCINNATI.
WHAT DOES THIS DINNER MEAN AND
WHAT COULD THE WARMBIERS TELL
THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THE REGIME
THAT SO SAVAGELY MURDERED THEIR
SON.
WE ARE JOINED BY THE FORMER
AMBASSADOR TO SINGAPORE UNDER
PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH,
CHAIRMAN AND CEO OF EXPORT NOW.
FRANK, IT PROMISES TO BE A
SPECIAL EVENING, OBVIOUSLY.
WHAT IS THE SYMBOLISM?
DOES IT SHOW KIM JONG UN THAT WE
AS A COUNTRY, AS A PRESIDENT, AS
AN ADMINISTRATION, WE WILL NEVER
FORGET A YOUNG AMERICAN WHO DIED
THIS WAY.
>> I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT,
ERIC.
THE NUCLEAR TALKS GET A LOT OF
ATTENTION AS THEY SHOULD.
THE MISSILE TALKS GET A LOT OF
ATTENTION, PERSON TO PERSON
DIPLOMACY.
THESE ARE IMPORTANT STEPS.
BUT LET'S NOT OVERLOOK THE HUMAN
FACTOR AND THIS MEETING ELEVATES
THAT HUMAN FACT TORQUES ELEVATES
THE -- FACTOR, ELEVATES THE VERY
SAD DEATH OF OTTO WARMBIER AND
WARNS NORTH KOREANS IF YOU HARM
AMERICANS YOU ARE SUBJECT TO PAY
A COST FOR THAT.
ERIC: THE WARMBIERS WON
$500 MILLION IN A LAWSUIT.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET SOME OF
THE ASSETS, EVEN GOING TO
EUROPE.
THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.
WHAT MESSAGE SHOULD BE SENT TO
KIM JONG UN, DEALING WITH OTT HE
KIM JONG UN, DEALING WITH OTT HO
KIM JONG UN, DEALING WITH OTT HT
KIM JONG UN, DEALING WITH OTT HO
WARMBIER AND DEALING WITH HUMAN
RIGHTS, THEY WAY THEY STARVE
THEIR PEOPLE AND HAVE WORK
CAMPS, ONE OF THE WORST
VIOLATORS OF YOU HUMAN RIGHTS ON
THE EARTH TODAY.
>> I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS HAS
HIS PRIORITIES IN THE RIGHT
SEQUENCE, IN TERMS OF POSSIBLE
DAMAGE OR HARM DONE, THE NUMBER
ONE GOAL IS STOPPING THE NUCLEAR
TESTS, STOPPING THE MISSILE
TESTS.
OF AFTER THAT, WE PUT MORE OF A
WEIGHT ON HUMAN RIGHTS,
NORMALIZING RELATIONS.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT IN BALANCE.
HAVING THE DINNER IS MORE
SYMBOLISM THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
IT IS THE RIGHT KIND OF
SYMBOLISM HE.
ERIC: HOW DO DID
ERIC: HOW DO TID
ERIC: HOW DO THE WARMBIERS DEAL
WITH THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT
HAS SUCH PRAISE FOR KIM JONG UN.
>> YOU NEED A WORKING
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NORTH
KOREAN GOVERNMENT.
I WOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT WORDS
USED TO DESCRIBE THEY'LL.
HE'S NOT DESERVING A LOT OF
PRAISE IN MY VIEW.
YOU NEED A FUNCTIONAL
RELATIONSHIP WITH THESE FOLKS.
YOU NEED TO REMIND NORTH KOREA
THAT WE KNOW WHAT YOU REALLY
ARE.
WE KNOW WHAT'S BEHIND THE MASK.
ERIC: YOU WERE AMBASSADOR TO
SINGAPORE.
YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND
CLOSED DOORS.
CINDY WARMBIER SPOKE ABOUT THAT.
SHE CALLED DIPLOMACY A CHARADE.
>> THERE'S A CHARADE GOING ON
RIGHT NOW.
IT'S CALLED DIPLOMACY.
HOW CAN YOU HAVE DIPLOMACY WITH
SOMEONE THAT NEVER TELLS THE
TRUTH?
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.
I'M ALL FOR IT.
BUT I'M VERY SKEPTICAL.
HE LIES, HE LIE, HE LIES
ALL FOR HIMSELF.
ERIC: HOW DO YOU BALANCE
DIPLOMACY WHEN EVERYTHING KIM
PROMISES HE HASN'T DONE.
>> YOUR HEART GOES OUT TO THE
MOTHER.
IT'S WORDS TO THE WISE TO SAY
IT'S WELL AND GOOD TO SIGN AN
AGREEMENT WITH KIM JONG UN BUT
YOU BETTER HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT
MECHANISM.
THERE IS NO GUARANTEE HE WILL
KEEP HIS WORD HE.
ERIC: CAN WE EVER GUARANTEE
THAT?
WHAT TYPE OF PROGRESS DO YOU
WANT TO SEE.
>> WE CAN HAVE INSPECTIONS OF
NUCLEAR FACILITIES.
YOU CAN DETECT MISSILE TESTS.
IT'S AN ONGOING GAME, ONGOING
MANIPULATION.
ERIC: DO YOU THINK HE'LL EVER
DENUCLEARIZE.
>> HE DERIVES MORE VALUE FROM
BEING PROVOCATIVE, BEING
OUTRAGEOUS, BEING A BIT OF A
ROGUE, THAN HE GETS VALUE FROM
COLLABORATING AND MAYBE ECONOMIC
BENEFITS OR JOINING THE FAMILY
OF NATIONS.
I THINK THE CHALLENGE TO THE
UNITED STATES AND OUR ALLIES IS
HOW DO WE CHANGE THAT EQUATION
TO SAY, LOOK, IF YOU KEEP
VIOLATING THESE LAWS, IT'S GOING
TO GET WORSE.
BUT IF YOU STOP, THERE'S
OPPORTUNITIES.
THAT'S PART OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
MESSAGE TO HIM.
ERIC: THAT'S WHAT HE SAID ABOUT
THE A APPLE, DANGLING AN APPLE
IN FRONT OF HIM, BASICALLY
ECONOMIC ABILITIES.
>> I THINK YOU NEED CARROT AS
WELL AS STICK.
ERIC: THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING
TO GET TO.
HERE'S MRS. WARMBIER AGAIN,
TALKING ABOUT THE EVIL OF THAT
REGIME.
>> THIS IS A PROBLEM.
THIS IS NOT ONLY A NUCLEAR
PROBLEM.
THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE
DEALING WITH ABSOLUTE EVIL.
WE CAN IGNORE IT, LIKE I WOULD
HAVE, HAD THIS NOT HAPPENED TO
HE
ME.
BUT I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT
SOMETHING BAD'S NOT GOING TO
HAPPEN IF WE LEAVE THINGS ALONE.
ERIC: ABSOLUTE EVIL.
>> WELL, I'M GLAD THE MOTHER IS
OUT THERE WITH THAT MESSAGE AND
THE ONE THING WE CAN ALL SAY TO
ALL OF OUR FRIENDS, RELATIVES,
OTHER COLLEGE KIDS, BE CAREFUL
ABOUT YOUR TRAVEL SCHEDULE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACES IN THIS
WORLD TO VISIT THAT ARE
DEMOCRACIES, THAT RESPECT HUMAN
RIGHTS.
THERE'S NO NEED TO SEE A
DICTATORSHIP.
DICTATOR YOU PUT YOURSELF AT
RISK.
ERIC: DO YOU THINK THEY CAN
EVER REFORM.
>> I DON'T THINK THIS FELLOW IS
THE REFORMER.
HE'S AN ESTABLISHMENT FELLOW.